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Dragon Ball: Tournament of Power Revisions Continued

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Basically carried over from this thread.

Now that Dragon Ball Super is over for the time being, we need to fix the powerscaling from the Tournament of Power itself. There are currently many characters who are ranked at a level they should not be on, and the overall scaling itself is kind of a mess.

To make things easier, this OP will include several quick lists: characters who are definitely going to be dowgraded, characters who are remaining where they are, and characters who still need to be discussed to properly place. This will hopefully keep discussion more streamlined.

Downgrade

  • Bergamo: His 3-A rating will be exclusive to when he's absorbed enough damage with his Crusher ability.
  • Lavender: His whole deal is "winning via cheating". He was knocked out cold by base Gohan and needed to team up with Hop against Vegeta. Speaking of which...
  • Hop: Has literally nothing putting her remotely close to 3-A.
  • Raging Battle Katopesla: The debunk of him being 3-A is quite literally in his current 3-A justificatio. Does not have nearly enough justification to put him at this level.
  • Gamisaras: Stomped once he was remotely visible.
  • Jimeze: Fought an extremely held back Gohan, not Gohan at full power. Freeza even points out Gohan could have won easily by going Super Saiyan, but he willingly did not.
  • Damo: Eliminated Piccolo via the element of surprise, not by straight up overpowering him. Unable to even move Android 17 when he was actually blocking. Goku and 17 eliminating him in return wasn't even a real fight.
  • Hyssop: Nothing puts him at this level. Vegeta treated him like a joke.
  • Napapa: Only actually pushed SSJ Caulifla because she LET him do it and then proceeded to toss him off the stage. He was also effortlessly stomped by base Freeza. His only real feats are restraining base Kale, who was complete fodder, and fighting evenly with Basil, who is 4-B.
  • Narirama: Effortlessly taken out by Basil, alongside Hit.
  • Tupper: Despite restraining base Goku, he was easily defeated by Android 18.


Remaining 3-A

  • Freeza: Scaled to SSB long before this arc even began, and is even stronger, now.
  • Hit: For obvious reasons.
  • Android 17: Comparable to pre-ToP SSB Goku, and managed to put up some fight against Toppo. Not as strong as an exhausted ToP Golden Freeza, but not too far behind his general level.
  • Toppo: Second strongest Pride Trooper, base form matched SSB on two separate occasions.
  • Dyspo: Third strongest Pride Trooper. Matched Hit and SSG Goku in his base, required the combined effort of Golden Freeza and Ultimate Gohan to defeat after he powered up.
  • SSJ2 Caulifla and Transformed Kale: When working together, these two managed to overpower SSJ2 Goku after he first broke his limits, and put up a solid fight against limit-broken SSG Goku. Their powers combined and multiplied by "only" tens of times was enough to body the same SSG Goku.
  • Kefla: For her base, see above. For her SSJ1 + Berserker mode, she put up a fight against and eventually defeated limit-broken SSB Kaioken Goku.
  • Ultimate Goha: Comparable to Golden Freeza when going all out, managed to overpower Dyspo after he had powered up.
  • Anilaza: Should be obvious from his fight, notably superior to Koichiarator.


Characters Still Needing Discussion (Most Important)

  • Nigrisshi
Please focus on this final list, as if we get it cleared up, we can revise the relevant profiles. Thank you.
 
Nigrisshi should probably be downgraded, since he literally did nothing but get one-shot by base Cabba, whereas Maji=Kayo actually managed to restrain SSJ Goku (Who needed to go SSJB to escape) and Dyspo. It's evidently a statement that doesn't hold up.

Brianne and the other U2 girls are nigh impossible to rate. Seriously.

I firmly think Obuni, Piccolo and the other U6 characters should remain 3-A.

Don't even remember what Viara did, lol, and have no opinion on Bollarator.
 
@Ever

Things I remember Viara doing:

  • Fighting Saonel in the background (which is honestly probably about as "legitimate" as Tupper vs Obuni).
  • Being stated to have the best defenses in U3.
  • Losing to 17 even after ambushing him.
 
So that's... Universal durability and nothing else? Really a lot of stuff with U3 is hard to judge because they did barely anything before the fusions came in.

What do you think of the rest of the stuff I said?
 
I'm not sure how I feel about 3-A Piccolo before the ToP, but I think he's on that level during it. I personally agree with most of the other stuff.
 
That is fair, especially when we end up with weird shit like 3-A Gohan before he even gets his Ultimate form back, and he didn't really stand a chance against Frost (Who was already exhausted) and needed his Special Beam Cannon trump card to try and win.

You also brought it up before in the last thread, but Barry Khan should also get downgraded.
 
Just going to bring this up to note.

No matter what happens here, we'll definitely need a discussion rule about this given how big these revisions are.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Just going to bring this up to note.
No matter what happens here, we'll definitely need a discussion rule about this given how big these revisions are.
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80% of these characters are people nobody probably gives a shit about, lol.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot

So is still powerscale from others? Because the weakest figthers at the tournament of power shouldnt even be High 4-C (Scaling from Roshi), with many being already way below Roshi, making it more inconsistent taking into account that they can also be classified as 3-A with Powerscal like Ganos (That one bird kid) and many of the flying/winged warriors who were only avoiding attacks for most of the Tournament.

EDIT: I forgot to mention were are they gonna placed. Unknown, At most High 4-C or what?
 
I think Obuni would definitely stay the same. He's definitely Universe 10's stronger fighter considering how Gowasu had total faith in him. He could damage Ultimate Gohan, and was only a moment slower. He also very casually punched away an assault from Vegeta. The only real thing that would contradict this is when Obuni matched Tupper, but that's probably very very casual.
 
Obuni was definitely manhandling him with the advantage of his technique regardless, and was fighting fairly evenly once Gohan figured it out, only losing by running out of stamina. He definitely scales.

U10's erasure is still sad god damn.
 
I also think Obuni should scale to Ultimate Gohan.

I do however find it kind of hilarious that canonically, his stamina ran out in like...seconds from using his signature technique and fighting someone on his level.
 
I think Obuni should scale to Ultimate Gohan aswell, but the fact that his technique draws so much energy should be somehow reflected in his profile, maybe in the Stamina section.
 
Watched Katopesla's fight with Vegeta again.

Raging Battle Mode actually managed to trade blows with him for a bit, and in Ultimate Mode, he traded blows with SSJ Vegeta, with his Katopesla - The Final Mission managing to brefily match his Final Flash before he got overpowered and subsequently punked by Gamisaras.

Note that I possibly missed some context because the video I saw was only the very end of their battle.
 
I think Raging Battle Mode Pepsiman only traded blows with base Vegeta for a couple of seconds, as that was immediately after Vegeta decided to stop getting punched in the face to try and attain Ultra Instinct.

I'm not sure how to rate Ultimate Pepsiman, honestly.
 
Yeah, like I said, probably lacking context.

Ultimate Katopesla still has what I said, if nothing else.
 
Should also mention that, if that's accepted, base and Whirlwind Speed Mode Katopesla should probably be... 3-B? Since it's an explicit 300x multiplier.
 
Not sure about 3-B, because as a reminder, the gap with early ToP and even the U6 Arc is at least 10x and even that is a lowball (Based on Hit and Goku's rematch), and its pretty heavily implied that Vegeta, at least base wise, is stronger than Goku, which at that point are extremely stronger than SSJG.

EDIT: If what Azzy said is true, then his base form is probably 3-B tho.
 
Just gonna copy the Dbz wiki description:

"When the Tournament of Power began, Katopesla was able to match Hop in combat. However, he was no match for Final Form Frieza. He wasn't strong enough to break through Jiren's barrier. Even when utilizing his Whirlwind Speed Mode, Frieza ignored him. Despite this, while in his Whirlwind Speed Mode, he was able to get behind Android 18 without her noticing it. However, he was unable to escape the grasp of Android 17 and was punched in the stomach, then knocked back by a Ki Blast from the android. In his Raging Battle Mode, he was able to damage Vegeta, but apparently only because the Saiyan was letting it in hopes of accessing Ultra Instinct by emptying his mind. However, once Vegeta gave up on that goal, Vegeta revealed to be basically unfazed by the assault, quickly overpowering Katopesla. In his Ultimate Mode, he was able to briefly hold his own against Super Saiyan Vegeta. His Katopesla The Final Mission was overpowered by Super Saiyan Vegeta's Final Flash. He was knocked out of the arena by Gamisaras".
 
Hop? I don't think she did anything that could actually be considered having a "fight" with 17, and even so, this would imply no-effort base Vegeta > 17, which isn't the case.

Edit: Never mind, I guess?
 
Anyway I think Frost should stay the same. His justification has been there since 6 v 7 saga. And he's stated to have gotten even stronger by hit, and he has even more justification after. He also doesn't scale to piccolo, he was extremely low on energy when he fought him.
 
The issue is that I don't think U6 Arc Piccolo is remotely Universe level.

He should be by the ToP, but I don't think he and Frost ever had a rematch.
 
Just getting this out of the way, 3-A Magetta is a given, considering how much he pressured SSJ Vegeta in both the U6 Saga and I think ToP.

Though, Cabba is more debatable with the fact that Vegeta was possibly holding back.
 
lol whats wrong w/ puttung most of the downgraded characters in the 3-B area? also Base Goku should also be At Least 3-A when helping Frieza out vs. Jiren
 
...putting who at Multi-Galaxy level? Because there are people in this downgrade who are utterly stomped by High 4-Cs and 4-Bs.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
...putting who at Multi-Galaxy level? Because there are people in this downgrade who are utterly stomped by High 4-Cs and 4-Bs.
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U ignored my Base Goku statement didnt u....also there should be some people who should be around that area given the fact that some are stronger then BoG SSG Goku (but u are downgrading them so they should still be a little higher); they could also be like around the area of 4-A/3-C
 
People already stronger than an unrestricted base Goku aren't being downgraded, regardless.

The issue is we can't bump fodder up one or two entire tiers simply due to also being fodder to stronger characters.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
People already stronger than an unrestricted base Goku aren't being downgraded, regardless.
The issue is we can't bump fodder up one or two entire tiers simply due to also being fodder to stronger characters.
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Well i was just throwing it out there lol
 
I feel that Cabba has to be 3-A considering that his Super Saiyan forms were considered impressive by Kale and Caulifla during the Tournament of Power.
 
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