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Massive dark souls Downgrades.

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Currently dark souls top tiers are set at Large star level to solar system level.

This needs to be changed ASAP.

Powering the sun does not give you the power to destroy the sun. For the top tiers to be at even beyond Island level is absurd. Firstly, if they truly were Star level, then witch of Izalith would have had no problem creating a new star from scratch, since she attempted to recreate the first flame, but she failed.

This brings me to another point.

The actual powering the su

Firstly, it has never been said that they actually power the sun, for all we know, the first flame could be just a catalyst. If the flame isn't lit then neither is the sun.

All that is known is that they link the fire and keep the first flame lit, there is not a single statement that says their power is directly chanelled into the sun, and even if it was, Star level is way beyond wank, becasue the lords are slowly drained, and no one in the game has ever shown planet level feats, hell, no one in the game has ever even been stated to be a planetary threat unless I missed something.

So yeah, top tiers shoudl be downgraded for good.
 
While I'm not an expert on DS I belive I know why people belive the First flame = star.

Before the First flame was formed the world was cold and barren( more or less) as stated in the dark souls prologue. after it was formed light was 'borne'(for a lack of a better term) and the world lived in a world with a 'sun' as shown with Astora's obsessive love for the sun.

At the time of the first game the First Flame was fadeing and the Age of light was dying, the sun is no longer present during this this time. The only reason the sun is present at all is because Gwynevere, the daughter of Gwyen, had created a 'false' sun which dissaperes after she dies and changes daytime to nighttime as shown here.

The reason why she did this is because as the First flame fades so does Gwens political power over Anor Londo.

The first flame is much more then a star, it's more of a representation of life, I'm not an expert so I'm not sure I can explain it properly
 
JBennett said:
While I'm not an expert on DS I belive I know why people belive the First flame = star.

Before the First flame was formed the world was cold and barren( more or less) as stated in the dark souls prologue. after it was formed light was 'borne'(for a lack of a better term) and the world lived in a world with a 'sun' as shown with Astora's obsessive love for the sun.

At the time of the first game the First Flame was fadeing and the Age of light was dying, the sun is no longer present during this this time. The only reason the sun is present at all is because Gwynevere, the daughter of Gwyen, had created a 'false' sun which dissaperes after she dies and changes daytime to nighttime as shown here.

The reason why she did this is because as the First flame fades so does Gwens political power over Anor Londo.

The first flame is much more then a star, it's more of a representation of life, I'm not an expert so I'm not sure I can explain it properly
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Actually, the sun fades in Anor Londo when the illusion is broken, nowhere else. The sun is still present in places like the Undead Burg.
 
This has literally been discussed numerous times. The sun literally ceases to be without the First Flame.

Also there are country level+ feats so low only Island level.

And it doesn't matter if the game never "states" that people are on planet level. Dark Souls is not a series that spoon-feeds you info or where people blow up planets by punching. The feat is in the lore.
 
Having the power to keep the flame lit for a millenium (what Gwyn did) would mean keeping the sun lit for a millenium, since the First Flame keeps the sun in existence, though to do that would mean having Large Planet AP, since that's the amount of energy such a feat requires. Though honestly, given that light is explicity stated to be equivalent to time in the "Repair Weapon" spell description, and given Lords like Manus have shown feats of time f*ckery, I'd say a case could be made for High 3-A Dark Souls, a massive upgrade, in other words. So, no to a massive downgrade, a definite maybe to a fairly decent downgrade, and a "huh, perhaps" to a massive upgrade.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
This has literally been discussed numerous times. The sun literally ceases to be without the First Flame.

Also there are country level+ feats so low only Island level.

And it doesn't matter if the game never "states" that people are on planet level. Dark Souls is not a series that spoon-feeds you info or where people blow up planets by punching. The feat is in the lore.
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Keeping the sun in existence=/=star level attack power. They power it for centuries, they can't output that mich power at once.

Furthermore there is no proof or feats that actually state they directly power the Sun, they power the first flame, and it's always stated the power the first flame., never the sun.

show me scans that state their power is used to directly fuel the sun. Also, I don't rcall anyone having country level feats, you have scans for that?
 
JBennett said:
Rather gwyndolin was the one who created the false sun but point still stands.
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the whole thing was an Illusion, the area specifically affected by the illusion is anor Londo, nowhere else does the area change after killing Gwynewere.
 
SheevShezarrine said:
Stormdrake was calced at Country level for creating a storm
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This storm would have to destroy an area on a country scale, it's just a storm and nothing else, it doesn't give one the AP to bust a country because a creating a storm has nothing to do with attack potency anyway.
 
I agree with Matt and Ever, this has been discussed extensively multiple times and the outcome of those discussions landed them where they are now
 
Graf Thorsdottir said:
> This storm would have to destroy an area on a country scale, it's just a storm and nothing else, it doesn't give one the AP to bust a country because a creating a storm has nothing to do with attack potency anyway.

Oh boy. Ever heard about AP =/= Area of Effect?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ThePerpetual/Redux:_Dark_Souls_III_and_some_bells
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Yes, please tell me how creating a storm that has nothing to do with DC has anything to do with it.

For a Storm to act be country level it would have to release lightning or something capable of busting a country. A storm that does absolutely nothing is no country level DC feat.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
No, a storm does not need to destroy a country to be country level
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Yes it does, creating a storm that does nothing can only be counted for range.

By this logic, if I generate clouds that can cover the Entire planet does that give me planet level DC? No, because they are stationary clouds, just like the storm, it's irrelevant to attack power.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
No it doesnt, we treat storms as general feats of attack potency here
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... The hell?

A storm that only covers a certain part of an area has nothing to do with attack potency, that's not hard to understand, covering something is easier than destroying it, something that spreads through a country is country level in range not in DC, because in this case a storm hasn't shown one feat of actually destorying something.

Having country level attack power means you can destroy a country and it's mass, not create a storm that covers it. This only counts as weather manipulation.
 
The wiki as a whole including the multiple threads that have been made discussion and disproving said claim disagree with you. If you can use your energy to create a storm of a certain magnitude, there is no reason to assume you cannot apply the same level of power to your other attacks
 
I'm no expert with dark souls but just because you have an item/or ability that can affect something much larger doesn't always mean that it scales to your AP, for example in Avatar, when the fire nation general killed the Moon Spirit, the Moon was effected and disappeared

this doesn't make the General 5-C tho
 
WeeklyBattles said:
The wiki as a whole including the multiple threads that have been made discussion and disproving said claim disagree with you. If you can use your energy to create a storm of a certain magnitude, there is no reason to assume you cannot apply the same level of power to your other attacks
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It's just an ability to manipulate weather, not an ability to create country busting storms, because generating something with mass far inferior to that of a whole country can not destroy it. Speaking of whihc, show me scans that prove Stormdrake actually created the storm.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ArbitraryNumbers/Standard_Storm_calc

You do know thats not how kinetic energy works right? You dont need to have the mass of a country to be able to destroy a country.
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You don't seem to understand that creating a storm that covers one part of the area is not enough to destroy it. Just because someone can create such a storm doesn't place him on a level where he can destroy landmasses of the same length. Because again, this was weather manipulatuion, something that changed the weather not produced country busting energy.

Also I asked you for a scan that proves the stormdrake actually created created a storm. So?
 
So you completely ignored that link huh? I highly suggest you take a look at it as it explains how we treat storm calculations here. We go by the kinetic energy of the clouds, which produces deceptively high amounts of energy.

I dont know about Dark Souls so i cant give you one, im just trying to clear up your misconceptions about storm feats.
 
I'm quite knowledgeable about DS, and The Sun=First Flame. To simply put, the world was downright gray before first flame appears. No life, no death, no kingdoms, just suffering and dragons. When the humans started to discover first flame, it became the sun, lighting them. It is a legit star.
 
I am a big fun of DS and agree with downgrade.Their AP can not be scaled from manifesting a sun.It was never mencioned that the one who sacrifices himself to extend the age of fire gaines the power or something like that.Only in one ending of Dark Souls 3 you are allowed to absorb the first flame.
 
Well, they just burn. The one guy from DS3 even stated how agonizing to be the one with the flame was. I'm neutral. I'll see what happens.
 
You don't seem to understand that creating a storm that covers one part of the area is not enough to destroy it. Just because someone can create such a storm doesn't place him on a level where he can destroy landmasses of the same length. Because again, this was weather manipulatuion, something that changed the weather not produced country busting energy.

Also I asked you for a scan that proves the stormdrake actually created created a storm. So?

How to do storm calcs 101. Step 1: find the mass of the storm. Step 2: find out the speed of the storm based on how long it took to fully form. Step 3: 1/2 x Mass x Velocity^2. Congrats, you've found out the storms energy.

An alternate method I've seen, is findimg the storms volume in m3, and multiplying that based on how much energy the storm generates per second.
 
I don't agree however is the downgrade of Lord Gwyn. Along with Nito and that one lady who becomes the tree boss ignited and created the sun. The first flame came from underground, not from above.
 
The Witch od Izalith did not succeed in extending the age of fire.Then that tantacle shit and Demons were created.

If we go by feats,NK is the most powerful Boss in the whole DS series,especially after absorbing Stormdrake and i don't see how Lorian,Lothric,The Abyss Watchers(All Abyss Watchers=Artorias,since he was the one who left the wolves blood) and others can stand a chance against him.

"Don't ring the great bell", "Nothing will remain once the bell has tolled".

Massages before the bell.
 
I never said that. I even know why she became bed of chaos and that bullshit floor bitch ****.

There is an evidence that NK is Gwyn's eldest son and GoW actually. He was likely trained by Gwyn himself. Not saying anything. Just saying.

Where? It's ages ago I played DS3 lat time so............
 
Right before the bell,there are a couple of massages(in game massages,not from other people).

NK is Gwyn's firstborn.
 
As I've said before, and I'll say it again, a storm of a certain size doesn't destory landmass on the same size. The only way a storm would have the same DC is if it would release lightning from every part of it or release force strong enough to do so. When has a storm been strong enough to level entire towns? Much less countries?
 
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