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Puella Magi misc revisions 3

Kaltias

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Basically, i think that there is enough proof to say that the powers of a magical girl/witch, should be considered effective on their level by default.

First, we have UKG, whose curses grew stronger (Going from Low 2-C to 2-A) as she herself grew stronger.

Then we have Tart, who literally became infinitely stronger due to Riz twisting her fate.

It happened earlier with Melissa as well.

Kazumi's power literally causes other magical girls to evolve.

It's also very strongly implied by Magia Record due to Mitama being able to boost other magical girls, as well as the fact that they need to have abilities that work on other magical girls efficiently given that they are all about on par. Holy Mami also implies that, given that after being upgraded she surpassed limitations of the other Magia Record magical girls such as being unable to summon the Doppel without heavy strain for themselves/danger.

Last but not least, in the main series Kyubey explains that "the latent ability of a magical girl is determined by the relative effect of their role or fate".

Witches Additions
Witches can resurrect from the Grief Seed (See Charlotte and all the witches created by Isabeau). Using the Grief Seed speeds up the process.

Familiars become witches if they eat 4-5 people. And they become just like the original.

Witches are soulless, When a magical girl turns into a witch, the Soul Gem breaks. See Sayaka and Madoka (It's easier to notice it with UKG). So they should get Immunity to Soul Manipulation

Madoka Additions
As stated here (Go to page 198 notes) the magical girls absorbed by Madoka become a part of her.

Out of all the magical girls who had become a part of God, the ones that Homura knows have the mission of a huge event like an instant awakening from a long, long dream.

Thus she would get their abilities.WoG confirms that it happens to every magical girl(Check episode 12 commentary).

There is this thing that surprisingly became a talking point -- "The Law of Circular Path". That actually means "the ending that will, without exception, visit the girls who embraced hope and chose to take up the destiny of becoming a mahou shoujo." It is not something Mami-san coined herself, but something like an oral tradition that was passed along among mahou shoujo in that world. And so at that place and time, the only one who could not understand at all after hearing those words was Homura. Kyoko also knew and probably Sayaka in that world had also heard those words before.

As we already know, LoC assistants are both magical girl and witch at the same time (Nagisa literally spends half of Rebellion as Charlotte), so Madoka gets the ability of both forms.

She should probably get Doppel abilities as well, given that a Doppel is pretty much magical girl + witch and Madoka contains both.

UKG Additions
UKG gets all witch abilities given that she is the despair of all magical girls basically making her a composite witch (Stated here, translation here). No Doppel abilities for her though, she doesn't contain the magical girls.

Top tiers AP upgrade
Easy enough. Final Timeline Madoka and everyone who scales from her should be "At least Planet level+, likely far higher". For reference, Madoka got 95 power boosts since she became 5-B, the smallest one being a boost of three orders of magnitude (7-C to 7-B)

The gap between low and high end 5-B is 45,5 times. If those massive power boosts are as low as a boost of 4,1% each time (Which is stupidly small) we are already in the upper half of 5-B.

Given that the boost is obviously bigger, "At least 5-B, likely far higher" is honestly the best bet. This applies to Final Timeline Madoka, False Madoka, AoC, and Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen

Homulilly range upgrade
Here (Check episode 12 commentary). It says that Homura isn't in Japan anymore, but we know that Homulilly affected Mami and Kyoko who were in Japan. Thus her range should be "Thousands of kilometres".
My intention when I wrote the screenplay was: The location is not Japan and Homura's fight just goes on. But I think it is fine for all the fans to come up with their own interpretation. There is even conjecture that "this is without doubt the world after humanity was annihilated." It is still a valid interpretation.

I'm not sure however, given that it's supposed to be up for interpretation.
 
More or less yes.

Magical girls and witches definitely. Stuff like AoC, probably but i'm not sure
 
"Basically, i think that there is enough proof to say that the powers of a magical girl/witch, should be considered effective on their level by default."

Legit didn't know this was ever even questioned.
 
So what does that mean exactly sorry?

Were some of their hax not considered to work against comparable opponents or something?
 
Ah.

So there were people questioning if Godoka and Devil Homura and Krimhild Gretchen's hax would work on other 2-A opponents?

But why? All of them have shown the ability to affect at least one of the other with their abilities
 
It's mostly a "now that Madoka and UKG are getting a ton of stuff from 3-D people I want to know if it's safe to say that when used by UKG/Ult. Madoka they'd work on other tier 2 people or no"
 
Ok, I get it.

Everything sounds good except for the last, which (or should I say "witch"?) I'm not sure on
 
She doesn't get Homura's stuff so no smiting. But yeah that's more or less the idea.
 
>2-A Ribbons trap

Shit,the meme become rise to heaven.......

BTW i have some question,can we scale the advanced puella magi Umika and Kaoru same with Kazumi? just saying.
 
For the last one, if I understand it correctly:

>Homura is not in Japan when she activates her witches barrier

>Kyoko and Mami show up in it anyway.

>So we assume they have been dragged inside from Japan

Thing is, that last assumption seems... awkward to me.
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
BTW i have some question,can we scale the advanced puella magi Umika and Kaoru same with Kazumi? just saying.
I'm not sure if I understood the question. If you mean if they get their stuff upscaled yes (although they don't become tier 2 or anything so durability negation and stuff like that doesn't need to be upgraded)

Monarch Laciel said:
>So we assume they have been dragged inside from Japan

Thing is, that last assumption seems... awkward to me.
I think that it was explained at a certain point that Homura affected them otherwise they wouldn't have entered the barrier, but i'll look for the quote.
 
https://**************/movie/mahou-shoujo-madoka-magica-movie-3-hangyaku-no-monogatari/

Around 1:15:00 Kyubey explains that Homura needs to "invite" her victims, otherwise they wouldn't enter the labyrinth.
 
It was a pretty horrible timing yeah.

But I had already wrote most of this when the other thread was highlighted so rip

Btw this how Madoka's profile would look like if everything is accepted

Madoka's profile

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~ Madoka Kaname​
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Godoka
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Summary
Madoka Kaname (Ú╣┐þø« Òü¥Òü®Òüï, Kaname Madoka) is the protagonist of the anime and manga series, Puella Magi Madoka Magica. She is a gentle and kind girl who lives a normal life, has a happy life, surrounded by a good family and good friends. One day, she has a dream in which a mysterious girl fights a monster. The next day, the girl in her sleep, Homura Akemi, comes to her school as a transfer student.

Her life changes when she meets Kyubey, which gives you a desire to change her to become a Puella Magi. It is understood that she has great magical potential inside and Kyubey is particularly interested in making a deal with her.

"The Doppel of Mercy. Her form is that of salvation. This Doppel is a replica of mercy. The owner of these feelings dreams of saving everyone and everything inside the Doppel. This Doppel, which has powers similar to that of a god's, will probably level the earth and reduce it all to dust." and "The Doppel of mercy. Its form is salvation. The master of this emotion attempts to save all things in creation. This Doppel resembles a giant, floating Soul Gem. When it appears, everything around it is pulled into the interior of the substance it produces, and is thereby rendered helpless. Thereafter, the Doppel surfaces dramatically, shines, and embraces all of its surroundings in arrows of light. Throughout all this, the emotion's master sleeps continuously within the giant Soul Gem." -Official Descriptions of Doppel Kriemhild Gretchen.

Powers And Stats
Tier: 6-C, 5-C when using Doppel. | At least 5-B, likely far higher | 2-A

Name:
Madoka Kaname, Doppel of Salvation | Madoka Kaname | Law of Cycles

Origin: Puella Magi Madoka Magica

Gender: Female

Age: 14 | 14 | Immeasurable

Classification: Potentially a Crystalized Magical Girl, Doppel of Salvation. | Magical Girl | Goddess, Conceptual Entity, Crystalized Magical Girl.

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Superhuman Speed, Magic, Immortality (Types 2, 6 and 7), Flight, Telepathy, Weapon Creation, Transformation, Telekinesis, Healing (Mid level, scaled from Corbeau), Weapon Enhancing, Energy Projection, Magic Detectio, Barrier and Armor bypassing via basic Magic Arrow, Resurrection, minor Light Manipulation, Death Manipulation with Purification and White Light of Salvation, minor Body Control with Pannier Rocket, minor Size Manipulation with Twinkle Staff, gets stronger when very damaged, Homing Attack, Acausality (Kyubey described Madoka as a singularity for cause and effect), Danmaku, Summoning (Can summon Kyubey as a decoy), Statistics Cut (Attack Potency) with Magical Squall. Resistance to the following: Mind Manipulation, Life Absorption, Magic and Status Effect Inducement (This includes resistance to Power Nullification). Unconvential Soul Manipulation Resistance. Regenerationn (Low), Statistics Amplification (Attack Potency), Minor Weather Manipulation, Improved Resistance to Power Nullification with Memoria. Mind Manipulation, Summoning, Invisibility, Intangibility (Elemental), Absorption, Curse Manipulation, Pocket Reality Manipulation, Reality Warping, Electricity Manipulation, Water Manipulation, and Weather Manipulation as Doppel Kriemhild. | All previous abilities, except Memoria and Doppel, but enhanced. Time Travel and Duplication via Magical Squall, Soul Absorption. | All previous abilities but enhanced, Non-Corporeal, Immortality (Types 3, 8, reliant on her familiars or the existence of water, and 9, exists in a higher plane of existence separated from the normal universe), Regenerationn (Mid-Godly. Embodies the concept of destroying witches, which needs to be destroyed in order to truly kill her), Abstract Existence, Conceptual Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Power Bestowal, Time Manipulation, Large Size (Type 9), Void Manipulation, Thread Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation, Status Effect Inducement, Power Nullification, Statistics Amplification (Attack Potency, Durability, Speed), Regenerationn Negation (Up to Mid), Information Analysis, Attack Reflection, Forcefield Creation, can bypass barriers and forcefields, can block piercing attacks with her own barriers, Intangibility (Elemental, Immaterial and Spatial), Air Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Illusion Creation, Teleportation, Empathic Manipulation, Size Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Fusionism, Light Manipulation, Technological Manipulation, Transmutation, Matter Manipulation, BFR, Portal Creation, Disease Manipulation, Animal Manipulation, Durability Negation, Holy Manipulation, Aura, Magic Negation, Darkness Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Magnetism Manipulation, Complete Resurrection, Precognition, Catoptromancy, Shapeshifting, Body Control, Age Manipulation, Sealing, Memory Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Invulnerability, Power Mimicry, Immunity to Soul Manipulation (Doesn't have a soul), Resistance to Curse Manipulation and Mind Manipulation (Unaffected by the curses of Ultimate Kriemhild Gretche, which can corrupt minds), Unconventional Resistance to Power Absorption and Memory Manipulation (If her powers or memories are stolen they will either take control of the opponent or manifest as a separate being).

Attack Potency: Island level (With the use of Magical Squall, called PuruwiaÔÿàMagica in Magia Record, Madoka parted a cloud with a massive kinetic energy output.), Moon level as Doppel Kriemhild Gretchen (Her Doppel can level the Earth and then reduce it all to dust.) | At least Planet level+, likely far higher (Madoka grows exponentially stronger after each reset, thus her final timeline self [After 100 resets] should be far stronger than her fifth timeline self, who should be comparable to fourth timeline Kriemhild Gretche) | Multiverse level+ (Destroyed the concept of witches in every universe before ascending to a higher level of existence to become a conceptual entity. Her multiverse was later confirmed to have infinite universes in Puella Magi Homura Tamura. The Law of Cycles encompasses the infinite multiverse as well as the nonexistent multiverse beyond it)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ (Should be at least on par with her third timeline counterpart [Likely is her third timeline counterpart.], becomes faster as Doppel Kriemhild.) | At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely Higher (Should be far superior to that of Homura Akemi. Far above all the other magical girls in the series.) | Omnipresent on a 4-dimensional Multiversal+ scale (Exists as a concept throughout the entire Puella Magi multiverse. Can also manifest outside the timelines and in the nonexistent multiverse)

Lifting Strength: Unknow | Unknow | Immeasurable

Striking Strength:
Island Class | At least Planet Class+, likely far higher | Multiversal+

Durability:
At most Island level, Moon level as Doppel Kriemhild. | At least Planet level+, likely far higher | Multiverse level+ (Existing as an abstract concept makes killing her very difficult without a high level of Concept Manipulation.)

Stamina: At least Superhuman (Rated as a 5.5 in stamina, making her immensely superior to Sayaka Miki.) | Practically limitless, due to being leagues above all the other magical girls. | Likely limitless as a Goddess

Range: Several thousands of kilometers, Planetary as a Doppel | Planetary | At least Multiversal+ (Able to affect both the infinite multiverse and the nonexistent multiverse where she costantly fights Ultimate Kriemhild Gretche)

Standard Equipment: A Staff that can behave as a bow.

Intelligence: At least Average as a Magical Girl, possibly Above Average (Despite being looked upon as the most naive of the magical girls, she was smart enough to avoid making a wish and made a complex wish while understanding its complications) | Nigh-Omniscience as a Goddess (Her omnipresence allows her to see all timelines past, present, and future as well as shown to have awareness of all timelines).

Weaknesses: As a Goddess, she must live as a conceptual life form that is inconceivable to others, as such if her opponent isn't a potential threat to humanity (as clarified in Wraith Arc), or a witch, she cannot combat them. This shouldn't come up however, due to verse equalization.

Notable Attacks/ Techniques:

  • Magic Detectio: Magical girls can detect sources of magic throughout most of a city. This has generally been shown to range from City range to cross-city range. They are also not affected by the visual alterations and invisibilty of witches.
  • Pain Inhibitio: Magical girls are resistant to pain inducing abilities, due to their consciousness not being directly connected to their body. Instead, a pain inducing ability needs to affect their soul gem/consciousness to be effective.
  • Memoria: Crystalized memories that grant abilities to the user, they can go through a "Max Limit Break" to become more potent.
  • Magical Staff: Essentially just strikes the enemy with Madoka's Staff.
    • Super Staff: Charges up her staff to strike with even more damage than before.
    • Twinkle Staff: Makes the staff huge, mowing down enemies in front of her.
  • Magical Arrow: Fires an arrow that pierces through enemies.
    • Spread Arrow: Fires an arrow that splits into multiple near the enemy.
    • Twinkle Arrow: An amped version of the magical arrow, similar to the Twinkle Staff.
    • Starlight Arrow: Fires a multitude of arrows in one direction, essentially a predecessor of the Magical Squall.
    • Magical Squall / Puruwia Ôÿà Magica: Originally shown in the final episode and the Homulily fight, she showers the sky with enough arrows to cover an entire city, Magia Record explains that it reduces the attack potency of those affected, and can restore the stamina of comrades. In the final timeline, however, it was shown that the arrows can travel through time and become duplicates of Madoka herself.
      • Combination Squall: Alongside Homura Akemi, Madoka can release a more potent version of her Magical Squall.
  • Pannier Rocket: Madoka inflates her body and fires herself at her opponent like a rocket.
  • Healing Light: A ray of light that can heal an ally.
    • Purifying Light: A variation of Healing Light that gets rid of any negative status conditions.
    • Gospel of Resurrection: Shown in A Different Story and in the PSP game, this technique resurrects a fallen comrade.
  • Purification: Madoka has a chance of one-shotting her enemy with any ordinary attack.
    • White Light of Salvatio: Any enemies near Madoka shall be purified, one-shotted by a white light.
As a Doppel

  • Witch's Kiss: Allows the user to corrupt the enemy into despair and allows the user to manipulate the enemy. Used by her Doppel.
  • False Paradise: The user absorbs the enemy into its body, creating a paradise suited for the enemy, this technique was stated in lore. This ability is caused passively the nature of Kriemhild Gretchen's body as well. Used by the Doppel as well.
  • Barrier: The standard ability for most witches, the barrier is a small pocket universe that can greatly vary in terms of size made to protect the witch from the outside world, only accessible by magical girls or when witches allow access. They are based around the witch's former life's mental condition prior to dying and becoming a witch.
  • Familiar Summoning: Another standard ability, a witch can summon several familiars (or create alongside the barrier) to fight on her behalf. If they absorb enough life energy, they can become duplicates of the witch itself.
  • Reality Warping: A witch can manipulate reality to cause issues for their enemies. This has been shown from manipulating the outsides of the barrier to attack the enemy, preventing them from even entering, or manipulate unresistant enemies themselves. In the case of the Haregi Doppel, her reality warping is potent enough to grant a wish on such a massive scale, that every being in the entire planet would be crushed as a consequence.
As Ultimate Madoka

  • Unconvential Resistance to Power Drai: If her power is absorbed, it can manifest itself outside of the absorption user or possess them instead. Likewise, her memories will also manifest themselves due to their connection to Madoka's power.
  • Shooting Star: Shown by Ultimate Madoka to defeat Kriemhild Gretchen, its an amped up version of Magical Squall that according to the PSP game, fires an infinite amount of arrows at once.
  • Conceptual Manipulation: As Ultimate Madoka, she has been shown to be capable of destroying the concept of a witch and creating the concept of a Wraith on a multiversal+ scale for all timelines, past and future included.
  • Law Manipulation: Ultimate Madoka has shown the ability to manipulate laws, such as creating the Law of Cycles, or changing the laws of cause and effect.
  • Void Manipulation: Madoka has shown the ability to manifest in the nonexistent multiverse, the ability to turn a whole multiverse (The World of Witches) nonexistent after rewriting it, as well as being able to affect and erase beings who are nonexistent to a conceptual level like Ultimate Kriemhild Gretche.
Feats:

  • Accidentally destroyed Mikihara City in the process of one-shotting Walpurgisnacht as a Magical Girl in the fourth timeline, which is exponentially weaker than the Final Timeline Madoka (At least Moon level, Attack Potency Feat)
  • In the second timeline, Madoka was capable of deflecting Patricia's attacks.
  • The Law of Cycles constantly prevents Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen from entering the multiverse, despite the fact that Ultimate Madoka herself is far weaker than her.
Key: Magia Record | Final Timeline | Ultimate Madoka

Notes:


Goddess Madoka had the power that allowed her to rewrite the concepts in all universes. Rewriting concepts (even if it seems insignificant) affects all of space.

Then she (through some paradox) destroyed her own future dark form. After that there was a complete reset of the causality of the world (as if former concepts and all related events never existed). Madoka herself became a conceptual entity (which means that it will take at least same level of power to destroy or rewrite the concept of Madoka).

However, Homura was not happy with the current state of affairs. So she gained the godlike power to rewrite the concept of Madoka and reset the world once again.

The Madokaverse includes 4-dimensional space. In Puella Magi Homura Tamura it was revealed that there are infinite universes.

Others
Notable Victories:

Sailor Moo (Sailor Moo) Sailor Moon's profile (5-C versions were used and speed was equalized)

World Guardia (RuneScape) World Guardian's profile (Final Timeline Madoka was used and World Guardian had the Staff of Armadyl, speed was equalized)

Notable Losses:

Mami Tomoe (Puella Magi Verse) Mami's profile (Holy Mami and Magia Record Madoka were used, Doppel transformation was restricted for both)

Inconclusive Matches:
 
Would the upscaled hax (e.g Power Nulling Ribbons) be able to affect other 2-As or would it be the same strength as Mami's ribbons and be totally useless against another Tier 2?

EDIT: saw the other comments above, ignore this.
 
Madoka's Profile still looks kinda tiny compared to Lucemon but anyways of course I agree with the revisions.
 
It would be kinda funny if UKG somehow managed to corrupt Madoka and create the "Law of Calamity" or something like that.
 
Who cares, as long as those powers can affect 2-A, they are fine me. :D

Altho without Godly Regen negation, those abilities as pretty much useless.

Against the Godly Regen users at least.
 
Peter1129 said:
Blame Mami for having the best win/loss/inconclusive ratio on the entire wiki.
Why not blame the people who spams her instead? Specifically those who unintentionally has give her a free win.
 
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