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REDUX ~ Son Goku vs Ness

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Goku vs Ness
Credit to AtomicMonkey4Life for the VS Template


Son Goku: 6 (J-ManRequiem, Mania568, Theglassman12, Kyle Ramos, KillitwithC4, Niten65)

vs

Ness: 8(?) - GreyFang82, Cal Howard, SD(?), BruceTheBatman, TurboTriangle601, Chrisras, Seventy96, Kellex,TheNeolancer)

Stalemate: 1 (Kaltias)

A redux of the 3-A versions of Goku vs Ness. Both have become Low 2-C since then.

Conditions:

+ Ultra Instict Goku (Low 2-C)

+ Post-Magicant Ness (Low 2-C)

+ Speed Equalized

+Victory by any means
 
Ness has Nigh-Omniscience and Goku has Ultra Instinct this time

Oh boy, this is gonna be tough.
 
Hm... Don't think Ness can hit Goku with his bat... But Ness's shields has Attack Reflection so even if he gets hit that damage his sent back to Goku and the damage Ness takes is cut in half (Don't know if Goku can dodge physical damage being reflected back at basically point-blank range) Ness does have PK Rockin' which is basically an attack that hits at a range but... Goku could probably dodge it... Ness could try to paralyze or put to sleep goku... That might work considering Goku can't really see or feel psychic attacks like that... I'm not sure though... Ness can heal so that helps him last a while and he can do so even if he suffers mortal wounds. Goku also has a huge close range advantage due to his martial arts training... and then there's that One-Hit KO of PK Flash.

I'm leaning more towards Ness because if Ness can hit Goku with Paralysis his ultra instinct ability is pretty much useless and then Ness can just spam attacks at him and maybe even throw out that PK Flash.
 
on the other thread the votes for ness were debunked and goku got majority votes, did he get power ups above what UIO goku can do otherwise would be a repeat of the last one.
 
It wouldn't be a repeat of last time. Unlike last time, Goku had such an AP advantage that he won with a punch. Now that isn't true.
 
Mania568 said:
on the other thread the votes for ness were debunked and goku got majority votes, did he get power ups above what UIO goku can do otherwise would be a repeat of the last one.
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The votes for ness last time basically boiled down to lolmind hax and Goku counter that by not needing to think to fight. They copletely ignored all of Ness's other powers. I'm just gonna see where this goes.
 
Hmm how many of his abilities from his 7-C tab work here? As in, shown to work against other Low 2-C characters?

If all of them, then Ness via OHK, Status Effects, and Attack Reflection.

If none or a few (That are not the above), then UIO Goku via slightly higher AP, Self-Movement, and reactive power level.
 
Also, this whole "can't affect tier 2s" thing has run its course. It's silly, to say the least. I can understand higher dimensional, but tier 2 power alone? It's asinine.
 
Then yeah, I'd go for Giygas

Although looking at his page: "No force in the universe, physical or psychic, had any effect on Giygas" doesn't this contradict that?
 
The real cal howard said:
Also, this whole "can't affect tier 2s" thing has run its course. It's silly, to say the least. I can understand higher dimensional, but tier 2 power alone? It's asinine.
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Probably should make a thread on that.
 
Yeah, but I think Giygas was a literal higher dimenstional being while Ness wasn't

(this is headcanon and probably not true)
 
Goku's slightly stronger than baseline, as opposed to his 3-A version being massively above baseline, only made worse with KaioKen.
 
Thanks for stating it was headcanon (though you should stick with canon, headcanon could be seen as lying)

@Cal I ask since that would suggest his abilities also got a range boost, but considering he hasn't, this makes it difficult. One of the issues with Goku in the current arc is his stamina, which forces him to go h2h, but he doesn't (or at least shouldn't have it) in this thread.
 
Kyle Ramos said:
Repeat of the last time.
Goku solos with middle difficulty.
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Not really. Goku doesn't have nearly as large of a strength advantage as he did last time. Voting Ness for reasons above.
 
Actually I'm not sure about slightly,

Casual Jiren already is > or = a GoD which is >>> Merged Zamasu Low / 2-C

UIO Goku =< Casual Jiren

Post-Kafla UIO Goku > UIO Goku originally.
 
Gonna point out , paralysis merely induces numbness and will not stop no blasts , hypnosis is not that good . Flash does not always kill , random chance .

Also no mind hax or anything .
 
GoDs are comparable to IZ, definitely not >>>>. It wouldn't have taken them so long to have been upgraded if that were the case.
 
@Cal ok

@J-Man you don't say, how is hypnosis not that good?
 
Beerus considered IZ as a nuisance rather than an actual threat tho, that is >> rather than =ish.

How long it took for the upgrade on vsb doesn't matter
 
numb limbs would logically take more effort to move, meaning it kinda would hinder Goku's UI maybe not negate it but It would make it so Goku HAS to put effort in dodging and that AP advantage would still be reduced considerably by Ness's shields and flung back at Goku.
 
Considering the fact that Ness's psychic shields obviously aren't permanent (which would kinda sorta disrupt the gameplay and plot as Ness would just simply put up his shields for the entirety of the game and win by doing practically nothing) it's likely that UI Goku would inevitably get his opportunity to attack later on amongst plenty of other things.

I change my vote to Goku.

Sorry Ness. ;_;
 
goku for TheJ-ManRequiem reasons and goku being a little over low 2-c compared to ness
 
Ness can survive "Mortal Wounds" - Literally stated on his profile so Ness would have a chance to heal and put up his shields again even if Goku's AP is massively larger than Ness's Durability
 
It states at least comparable which implies a gap.

Numb means movements are variably restricted, ie it could range from simply not feeling your body part to barely being able to move it.
 
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