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Son Goku vs. Ness

I'd give it to Goku for his martial arts experience and many techniques.
 
Ness would be able to generate a forcefield to protect from Goku attacks and then use paralysis or sleep to kill him using PK Flash
 
Well, Goku's been fighting for years, learning several techniques. He can use the Solar Flare to blind Ness, and he can use the Blue Kaio-Ken to overpower him. With Ness having a rather short adventure in comparison, I don't see him overcoming Goku.
 
Ness takes this with low-mid difficulty. He either puts Goku to sleep, paralyzes him, mind'F him, blinds him (or even the chance to ohko) and make him uncontrollabley cry. He has his psyhic barries that weaken Goku's attack and reflection, psi magnet to drain his energy. Ness has so many ways to put him down and turn Goku into a pile of minced meat.
 
DMUA said:
Well, Goku's been fighting for years, learning several techniques. He can use the Solar Flare to blind Ness, and he can use the Blue Kaio-Ken to overpower him. With Ness having a rather short adventure in comparison, I don't see him overcoming Goku.
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Alright.

Goku: 1

Ness: 4
 
So goku is willing to kill. Goku goes SSB Kaioken, he gets blinded by Ness but just senses Ness' energy and blasts him.
 
@Trndo. If you want to make that argument, bloodlusted Ness instantly mindscrews. Because Goku still needs to move muscles. Ness doesn't.
 
The real cal howard said:
@Trndo. If you want to make that argument, bloodlusted Ness instantly mindscrews. Because Goku still needs to move muscles. Ness doesn't.
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Whis trained Goku to act before thinking, bloodlusted he will already be tranmissioned until a full blown kameha before ness can incapitate him.
 
You still need your brain to even attack. Mindless attacks don't exist for normal people, especially not Martial Artists.
 
The time for throwing a punch is not comparable to the time you need to just make a thought.

Every single action Goku can do to attack requires him to move a part of his body, wich as nothing against Ness's time to make an action, since he only need to use his brain and mind F' right there.

My vote is on Ness.
 
That's not how the body works. Whis very clearly talking about instinctual actions. Which still requires the mind.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
You still need your brain to even attack. Mindless attacks don't exist for normal people, especially not Martial Artists.
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Your argument is invalid Goku has no brain :^)
 
Chrisras said:
The time for throwing a punch is not comparable to the time you need to just make a thought.
Every single action Goku can do to attack requires him to move a part of his body, wich as nothing against Ness's time to make an action, since he only need to use his brain and mind F' right there.

My vote is on Ness.
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Its not because with instant transmission it is a tought. Since Ness is close distant it wouldnt much be much effort to teleport while firing a kill shot. He was able to react while hit killed him the first time.
 
To make instant transmission work, Goku need to put his fingers in his head, and focus to the person where he wants to go.

The moment he tries to move his fingers, Ness would have already throw his attack.
 
No he doesnt. The Yardrat and Kidd Buu didnt need it. Goku most likely chooses to do it but I could be wrong.
 
Instantaneous Movement=/=Instant Transmission. The former is a Kai ability, which is the one Buu copied. The latter is Yardrat. The Yardrat guy not doing it is likely just Toei being inconsistent as always.
 
If that's the case, then the description in his profile should be upgraded.

But for now, I'm still siding with Ness.
 
I mean, it's not like the act of literally teleportation is a surprise hax that will completely outdo Ness, who can also teleport mind you.
 
Wait a moment

Didn't Goku use the instant transmission While doing the kemehameha? Meaning that Goku doesn't need to put his fingers on his head?

I'm siding with ness on this due to the mind hax but still
 
Why do people throw Goku against people who everybody knows it's an obvious win. Same here.

And Ness is much too haxxed for me to view this as nothing but a complete stomp in Ness's favor
 
Yes, Goku has used IT without doing the gesture before, the gesture, if I recall, is used to focus for long distance uses more often than not.
 
Jesterofgames said:
Wait a moment
Didn't Goku use the instant transmission While doing the kemehameha? Meaning that Goku doesn't need to put his fingers on his head?

I'm siding with ness on this due to the mind hax but still
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Yeah he can do that but I understand your argument.
 
Actually, thinking about it, Ness should stomp. Change my vote.
 
DMUA said:
Actually, thinking about it, Ness should stomp. Change my vote.
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How? Ness is base line universe level if I'm not mistaken, his forcefield can't protect him from goku's attacks and the moment that goku shoot a blast with ssj blue kaioken x10 or x20 (confirmed in the scans) ness will dissapear, he will appear again thanks to his inmortality but nothing will change and he will die again.
 
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