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Dante vs Kratos: The Redux

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So the last thread was back before both characters got major updates for their stats, let's see what the outcome is now.

Both of them are at their max (PoH Kratos vs DMC2 Dante) and Speed is Equalized, let's settle an old one.

Dante (Devil May Cry): 7

Kratos (God of War): 2

Inconclusive: 1
 
So you want to put another L from Dante on Kratos's profile lmao.

How good is Kratos's time manip? And do they both have all abilities from previous forms?
 
Kratos can slow it for a pretty decent amount of time, arguably better then Quicksilver.

No I just love these two and I wanted to take the opportunity to make it.

Edit: Nope, I was wrong, it's bleh
 
Kratos' time manip isnt very good, its literally a beam that he fires that has to physically hit the target for it to affect them
 
I'd actually think that the only edge one has over the other is that Dante's cockiness is better than Kratos' rage, meaning that Dante can piss off Kratos to the point where he'd think less rationally.
 
though this is DMC 2 so he is less cocky and more for the kill however he does make rare remarks its stupidly rare
 
Well there goes that advantage

Though he's right, Dante in DMC2 was genuinely emotionless
 
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/385937 are you remaking from this thread?
 
Dante via better time hax, shadow manipulation via doppelganger (his clone can do whatever Dante does, doubling the hax (idk about Kratos), damage nullification/reflection and healing via royal guard, invincibility and void manipulation via majin form, slight precog with Alastor, faster regen in devil trigger forms.
 
Wait, when did Dante manipulate the void? I don't see it on his profile.

I believe he means void trapping.
 
Kratos with the power of hope have the ap advantage here.
 
Wait, speed is equalized. Forget my post.

Kratos is stated in the novels to have hammerspace and to retain all of his previous gifts, so the assumption that he loses all of his powers at the start of each game is nothing but gameplay mechanics. That said:

- The Claws of Hades can rip out Dante's soul, since Kratos's physical strength is quite a lot bigger than Dante's; he tanks slaps from Cronos, who is WoG-stated to be a physical peer of Atlas, who is stated several times in the lore to be holding the entire planet. Unless Dante is actively able to resist Kratos's own soul-manip, which he probably can (it's been a long time since my last DMC playthrough), Kratos can BFR him.

- Kratos has dynamics stats due to rage, to the point where he can speedblitz two time manipulators at the end of the day. This is stated by WoG.

- Does Dante have an active resistance to lifeforce manipulation? If not, Kratos can use either the Scourge of Erinys or Charon's Wrath to reduce Dante to a lifeless vegetable.

- Red orbs are stated in the novels to be canon, and Kratos's strength increases a lot each time he kills someone. So Kratos will pretty much speedblitz any fodder Dante summons and become stronger as a result.

Now, countering UMC's arguments:

- Dante via better time hax,

Kratos is WoG-stated to have gained immunity to time-stop towards the end of the Castor & Pollux fight. Won't work.

Meanwhile, the Amulet of Uroborus gets better each time Kratos uses it. Eventually, Kratos will be able to trap Dante in a huge time-loop.

shadow manipulation via doppelganger (his clone can do whatever Dante does, doubling the hax)

Was it shown to be able to do everything? Kratos has the Oath Stone of Orkus, which allows him to summon a clone that literally blitzes even big enemies like Cyclopses, so he has similar hax.

damage nullification/reflection and healing via royal guard,

Kratos also has a healing factor, and he can also reflect damage with the Golden Fleeche.

invincibility

NLF. What is the strongest thing it can stop?

Kratos's Rage of Sparta makes him invulnerable to all sorts of damage in game, including planetary stuff like Zeus's strongest attacks.

void manipulation via majin form

More like darkness-manip IIRC. And the Scourge of Erinys is similar to Dante's ability.

slight precog with Alastor,

Kratos can control his own destiny.

faster regen in devil trigger forms.

PoH Kratos is powerful enough to regen-tag the Blade of Olympus, the same blade that killed Zeus and literally everything except Kratos.

Also, Power of Hope Kratos has Semi-Type-5 immortality.
 
WalterEliasDisney said:
kratos wins becouse of the reasons in Kepekley23s post.
but seriously, kratos can counter everything dante has
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I smell a Disagreement sock.

Though i appreciate you lampshaded my post.
 
Kepekley23 said:
WalterEliasDisney said:
kratos wins becouse of the reasons in Kepekley23s post.
but seriously, kratos can counter everything dante has
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I smell a Disagreement sock.
Though i appreciate you lampshaded my post.
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Im not a sock, its just that i created my account just to debate Avatar: The Last Airbender, and i decided to check Kratos's profile after the staff closed my thread
 
how will kratos counter Dante's transmutation, spatial and mind manipulation

Dante's precog will let him see kratos's attack

Dante has soul manipulation resistance so the claws of hades won't work

Kratos's regen isn't as good as Dante

Yamato could possibly destroy the Golden Fleece with its durability negation

Both the majin form and dreadnought form make him completely invulnerable from both the saviour and argosax/despair
 
soul manipulation is resisted so not instantly

Well rage is an issue as while stronger against someone who keeps a coolhead not the best thing

Does he even use that of the fly?

Well...that's like saying red orbs in DMC are canon too tbh. I'll take that with a grain of salt

Idk about the WoG thing its a bit on time manipulation because i don't see in profile and how is that better?

It does make Dante more unpredictable but...its just negated out

They both have healing factor just Dante does it more quickly AFAIK (idk) but he won't let himself tank it like his previous counter parts

Invulnerability thing idk how much Dante tanked tbf and well how long does it last anyway again kratos's rationality will give him issues due to fighting a person without giving in to anger

Idk on void but the sample was that he defeated alice without harming her using that form

Control? he's resistence to fate manipulation and Dante doesn't have that just the precog helps him take action

He was dying and semi-type 5 immortality since when??? That's just resilience and hyperbole i think cause I'm pretty sure he can still die just he lived through that
 
soul manipulation is resisted so not instantly

To what degree? Kratos managed to rip Hades's soul with it, and Hades himself had already been strengthened by the souls of hundreds of monsters, humans, and even Titans like Atlas.

Well rage is an issue as while stronger against someone who keeps a coolhead not the best thing

Kratos's rage also increases his speed. His rage made him power through pure time stop with speed alone, and when empoered by rage he blitzed Thanatos, who was instead blitzing him literally minutes before.

Does he even use that of the fly?

He uses it whenever he wishes.

Well...that's like saying red orbs in DMC are canon too tbh. I'll take that with a grain of salt

Except it is stated to be canon in the novels.

Idk about the WoG thing its a bit on time manipulation because i don't see in profile and how is that better?

It's not just WoG. The fight itself shows Kratos powering through time-stop by keeping up with Castor & Pollux, who were using time manip to speed themselves up. Add WoG and it's literally not debatable.

It does make Dante more unpredictable but...its just negated out

What?

They both have healing factor just Dante does it more quickly AFAIK (idk) but he won't let himself tank it like his previous counter parts

Kratos has the impressive feat of healing the wound from the Blade of Olympus at the end of GoW III. The same blade that killed Zeus's mortal body, generated enough power to one-shot a Titan (the same Titan that crushed Helios, who is stated to be able to destroy the world), banished all the Titans to Tartarus, and generated at least Small-Planet level energy. That's a very solid feat, and i doubt Dante has any on that level.

Invulnerability thing idk how much Dante tanked tbf and well how long does it last anyway again kratos's rationality will give him issues due to fighting a person without giving in to anger

Kratos's anger makes him faster, too.

Idk on void but the sample was that he defeated alice without harming her using that form

What are Alice's feats?

Control? he's resistence to fate manipulation and Dante doesn't have that just the precog helps him take actio

Nope. He controls it to change the fate of the Titans, and he also absorbed the Sisters of Fate's life-force.
 
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