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Zoro vs Kid

SnookB said:
Oh yeah, voting Zoro.
His Haki negs everything Kid does except awakening.
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Yes.
SnookB said:
And Kid's chances of landing any meaningful hit on Zoro are low to none. Every strike that mattered on BM or Kaido was because it was in a group fight or the opponent was distracted, save for when Big Mom was holding him down and he got all the time to repel her.
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Yep.
SnookB said:
Zoro's so far shown to be faster. Higher reaction based on King's FTE blitzes, and reacting to Zoan King/Hybrid King which are faster than his bases.
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Yep.
SnookB said:
Kid's scrap metal got destroyed by Kaifu more than once.
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Yep.
SnookB said:
Zoro's blades deflect Kaifu even without Buso.
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No, he did use Buso, albeit when he used Buso he effortlessly bitch-smacked the Kaifu away with one sword and no shown difficulty. As in, Apoo required more effort from a serious Zoro w/Buso than a Kaifu did.
SnookB said:
By that Zoro can cut Kid's scrap pretty easily.
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Yep.
SnookB said:
The best Kid can do is awaken Zoro and even then Zoro has range on him and wouldn't let it happen as often as Big Mom did (nor would he be distracted enough like her).
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Yep.
SnookB said:
He was damaging Yonkos better than Kid, tanked a double Yonko attack and still managed to use his strongest move while having the ability to parry Hybrid Kaido in that state.
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Agreed, especially since that double Yonko attack would've killed Kid had it hit.
SnookB said:
And this isn't even counting King of Hell style
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Imagine King of Hell + Asura...
 
Switching to Zoro for Snook's reasons.

Also Zoro has better Kenbun IIRC.

Also, while Base Kid's durability is above Base Zoro's by some margin IMO (not too big of a margin, though), Zoro can boost his durability w/Buso.
 
Eseseso said:
No, he did use Buso, albeit when he used Buso he effortlessly bitch-smacked the Kaifu away with one sword and no shown difficulty. As in, Apoo required more effort from a serious Zoro w/Buso than a Kaifu did.
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I love how you always find a way to sneak in Apoo wanks when we're talking about One Piece
 
Eseseso said:
No, he did use Buso, albeit when he used Buso he effortlessly bitch-smacked the Kaifu away with one sword and no shown difficulty. As in, Apoo required more effort from a serious Zoro w/Buso than a Kaifu did.
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Yeah I double checked 1001, he did use Buso. But that effortless smack compared to Kid getting his defense sliced clean through is a pretty big difference.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
I love how you always find a way to sneak in Apoo wanks when we're talking about One Piece
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More like dissing on Kaifus.

And by extent the scabbards for getting cut by Kaifus.

I don't even like Apoo that much, but the dude has so much Scabbard+ level stuff.

SnookB said:
Yeah I double checked 1001, he did use Buso. But that effortless smack compared to Kid getting his defense sliced clean through is a pretty big difference.
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Yep.
 
Eseseso said:
I mean the horrific energy drain would kill Zoro after 5 minutes, but still.
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I doubt that'll be a thing anymore tbh. Knowing straw hats progression and Zoro's better mastery over Enma, he'll probably be using Hao infusion just fine this arc, if not the next.
 
SnookB said:
That's 3 zoro votes- (Me, WrongIdea and Emin) and I'm not sure if Eseseso wants to keep the Kid vote since we're in agreement for most of everything
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I switched over to our lord and savior Zoro.

It's 7-2 in Zoro's favor, which means grace time!

Zoro just cannot be beat in One Piece vs debates!
 
SnookB said:
Ma D. Monk isn't to be underestimated. He threw Kaido off sky islands
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I just wonder why he didn't try to make Urouge join him like he did with Apoo and Hawkins.

We could've had Scabbard-level Urouge in Wano!!

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Eseseso said:
How?
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Base Luffy = Hao Hybrid Kaidou
More advanced Buso = Dura neg
More Potent Buso than Zoro
Future Sight
Is far faster with Gear 2nd alone
More durable
Better Hao Infusion (Has had Hao longer than Zoro and has fought with infusion far longer than Zoro has + Cloud split)

And this is ignoring all of Luffy's extra shit.
 
Eminiteable said:
Base Luffy = Hao Hybrid Kaidou
More advanced Buso = Dura neg
More Potent Buso than Zoro
Future Sight
Is far faster with Gear 2nd alone
More durable
Better Hao Infusion (Has had Hao longer than Zoro and has fought with infusion far longer than Zoro has)

And this is ignoring all of Luffy's extra shit.
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I don't think he'd stomp, considering Zoro has some crazy AP and he has amps like Asura and "King Of Hell" stuff.
 
Yeah, Luffy's chain extends a bunch. At most Hao infusion Zoro=Roof Ashura.
While Base Hao Luffy is either as strong as or over that. Has 3 AP amps, 3 speed amps, and other shenanigans like dura neg
 
SnookB said:
Yeah, Luffy's chain extends a bunch. At most Hao infusion Zoro=Roof Ashura.
While Base Hao Luffy is either as strong as or over that. Has 3 AP amps, 3 speed amps, and other shenanigans like dura neg
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Hao Infusion Zoro IS Asura. Kaidou even said that.
 
SnookB said:
His Haki negs everything Kid does except awakening.
And Kid's chances of landing any meaningful hit on Zoro are low to none. Every strike that mattered on BM or Kaido was because it was in a group fight or the opponent was distracted, save for when Big Mom was holding him down and he got all the time to repel her.
Zoro's so far shown to be faster. Higher reaction based on King's FTE blitzes, and reacting to Zoan King/Hybrid King which are faster than his bases.
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So Kidd uses awakening. He hit Big Mom with Punk Corna Dio and she was free to move. He magnitizes Zoro and he can't use his swords. We're also ignoring Kidd's insane stamina. He was tanking getting impaled by Killer's Punishers, and several of Big Mom's punches after eating an Indra. He's not getting one-shotted, and if he isn't getting one-shotted he's magnetizing Zoro and blasting him with Damned Punk.
 
That_moron said:
So Kidd uses awakening. He hit Big Mom with Punk Corna Dio and she was free to move.
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You missed the part where that was a 2V1 and Law SPECIFICALLY SAYS AFTER THAT, that Kid only attacks when Law creates an opening.
That_moron said:
He magnitizes Zoro and he can't use his swords.
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His magnitizing barely lasts that long at a time. Big Mom had to get distracted for his Corna Dio to even hit her, and his S/N technique needed her up close, which if Zoro gets hit with once won't let Kid even get the chances considering his range. He's not as cocky as big Mom nor would he underestimate Kid until the very last second.
That_moron said:
He was tanking getting impaled by Killer's Punishers
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When? We see him on his knees after getting potentially stabbed ONCE through Hawkins, then the rest of his tanking is Hawkins smashing his head into shit.
That_moron said:
and several of Big Mom's punches after eating an Indra.
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Zoro ate an Indra, Parried several hybrid Kaido attacks with all of his bones broken, and endured double-yonko attack before performing Ashura. Then with all that exhaustion proceeded to fight King for a prolonged amount of time WHILE his body was starting to literally tear apart by itself at the end of the fight (we literally see gashes popping on him without King even hitting him, TWICE).
We aren't forgetting Kid's stamina, it's just that they're both beastly that it barely makes a difference. Stamina won't save you when you're cut in half anyway. All of Big Mom's attacks at him where punches and blunt strikes, Zoro's deadlier.
That_moron said:
if he isn't getting one-shotted he's magnetizing Zoro and blasting him with Damned Punk.
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Okay, he pins Zoro's BODY. Zoro can still move his arms. Big Mom could.
And Zoro was shown lifting gigantic structures and shit before, he'd just pull a Big Mom and tear out whatever he's pinned to, to block. Again, unlike her he as decent observation- decent enough to know that King's detonation was gonna mess him up, and put his armament up to guard literally while the explosion was happening.

Big Mom was eating 90% of Kid's attacks because Law was there or she flat out underestimated him. Zoro's not that kind of person to just LET himself get hit. Considering Kaido can one-tap through Punk Rotten with Kaifu's, and Zoro's blades block Kaifu's but Zoro's blades can't naturally pierce through the scales while Tatsumaki does- a single black rope tatsumaki might legit tear down any construct Kid builds and he's left to get shredded by whatever attack is coming after.
"Kid's a tank", yeah when he's getting punched, not stabbed and sliced through by someone on Zoro's tier. His only Wincon is LS via magnitization and even then there's ways around it.
 
Superscharbe said:
For the topic,Zorro wins until Midd gets good feats
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I wish he was in Law's position so we see if his attacks actually hit people who are focused on only him. The fact that the author had to go out of his way and address what the fanbase was tearing Kid up about (attacking when the opponent is distracted or using openings only) shows that Kid's attacks in a 1 on 1 are likely far less to hit because of how damn predictable he is.
 
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