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Zoro vs Kid

RoronoaxRobin said:
To add to this, Zoro also ate some attacks from either Hybrid Kaido or Big Mom or possibly both off-panel between the end of Ch. 1003-Ch. 1008 since he's more injured in 1008 than we last saw him in 1003.
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Uh, would you mind showing us some proof?

I don't doubt you, I'm just curious.

And let's not forget he survived Hybrid + Haoshoku Infusion Thunder Bagua even with 30 bones broken and zero energy left.

He can also boost his durability with Buso (and Asura), while Kid has no buffs to his durability.


Btw, I think Grace is over.
 
Eseseso said:
Uh, would you mind showing us some proof?

I don't doubt you, I'm just curious.

And let's not forget he survived Hybrid + Haoshoku Infusion Thunder Bagua even with 30 bones broken and zero energy left.

He can also boost his durability with Buso (and Asura), while Kid has no buffs to his durability.


Btw, I think Grace is over.
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Eseseso said:
Uh, would you mind showing us some proof?

I don't doubt you, I'm just curious.

And let's not forget he survived Hybrid + Haoshoku Infusion Thunder Bagua even with 30 bones broken and zero energy left.

He can also boost his durability with Buso (and Asura), while Kid has no buffs to his durability.


Btw, I think Grace is over.
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Well Kid at least has his own Buso to boost his durability
 
Eseseso said:
But he's never shown using it, unlike Zoro (who used it in the Hakai and to survive King's explosion).
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He used it in the anime when he attacked some Gifters (forgot the episode though) and it also looks like the horns of his bull are coated in it for his Punk Corna Dio attack in Ch. 1038, but I'm not too sure about that one. That could've just been shading. We'll have to wait for the anime and colored comics version of One Piece to confirm it.
 
SnookB said:
I wish he was in Law's position so we see if his attacks actually hit people who are focused on only him. The fact that the author had to go out of his way and address what the fanbase was tearing Kid up about (attacking when the opponent is distracted or using openings only) shows that Kid's attacks in a 1 on 1 are likely far less to hit because of how damn predictable he is.
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Midds feats are just garbage

Not even Hakifeats at all.The only good thing about him is his endurance.Thats it.Haki>All and Midd has no Hakifeats period
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Even if that's possible, it's probably still gonna hurt if he hits Luffy with those attacks.
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Assuming they land against Luffy who's far faster + has future sight:

Luffy's base durability can take hits from "Super Hybrid" Kaidou w/Shurron Hakke + Hao:
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Luffy's greater buso potency would grant him resistance against Zoro's cutting attacks, plus his buso durability is shown casually blocking a Bolo breath from Hybrid Kaidou & blocking a hao infused hit from Shurron Hakke Hybrid kaidou:
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So honestly even Zoro's strongest hits assuming they land won't be able to take down Luffy.
 
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SnookB said:
Okay, he pins Zoro's BODY. Zoro can still move his arms. Big Mom could.
And Zoro was shown lifting gigantic structures and shit before, he'd just pull a Big Mom and tear out whatever he's pinned to, to block. Again, unlike her he as decent observation- decent enough to know that King's detonation was gonna mess him up, and put his armament up to guard literally while the explosion was happening.
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Imagine thinking he could lift it. while his body was pinned. Big Mom was nearly as tall as the building itself.
SnookB said:
You missed the part where that was a 2V1 and Law SPECIFICALLY SAYS AFTER THAT, that Kid only attacks when Law creates an opening.
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Going out of order but that was legit a gag scene. He didn't have an opening there. And he still kept pace with her through out the entire fight. And he also reacted to Kaidou's moves, on the roof. Zoro and Kidd are close in speed. Cope.
SnookB said:
Kaido can one-tap through Punk Rotten with Kaifu's, and Zoro's blades block Kaifu's but Zoro's blades can't naturally pierce through the scales while Tatsumaki does- a single black rope tatsumaki might legit tear down any construct Kid builds and he's left to get shredded by whatever attack is coming after.
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He remakes it lol. Zoro isn't hitting him through many layers of metal. Kidd steals his swords with awakening shoots him with Damned Punk, slams him with Corna dio. Buries him under tons of metal. All win cons.
 
That_moron said:
He remakes it lol. Zoro isn't hitting him through many layers of metal. Kidd steals his swords with awakening shoots him with Damned Punk, slams him with Corna dio. Buries him under tons of metal. All win cons.
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Kaifu sliced through the ENTIRE ARM of his structure. Zoro's buso blades literally swatted Kaifu. Do the math
Any slash is bisecting clean through Kid's structures. There's not even a notable durability difference between punk rotten and corna dio for us to assume the latter can tank kaifu any better. Scrap that he loses vs Zoro leaves him open to way more hits than he would in a fight with a group on his side.

And magnetizing metal is ALREADY his ability, it has nothing to do with awakening. His awakening megnetizes non-metallic things. If he's using his basic metal magnetizing then Zoro's haki negs that.
 
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SnookB said:
Okay, he pins Zoro's BODY. Zoro can still move his arms. Big Mom could.
And Zoro was shown lifting gigantic structures and shit before, he'd just pull a Big Mom and tear out whatever he's pinned to, to block. Again, unlike her he as decent observation- decent enough to know that King's detonation was gonna mess him up, and put his armament up to guard literally while the explosion was happening.

Big Mom was eating 90% of Kid's attacks because Law was there or she flat out underestimated him. Zoro's not that kind of person to just LET himself get hit. Considering Kaido can one-tap through Punk Rotten with Kaifu's, and Zoro's blades block Kaifu's but Zoro's blades can't naturally pierce through the scales while Tatsumaki does- a single black rope tatsumaki might legit tear down any construct Kid builds and he's left to get shredded by whatever attack is coming after.
"Kid's a tank", yeah when he's getting punched, not stabbed and sliced through by someone on Zoro's tier. His only Wincon is LS via magnitization and even then there's ways around it.
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Big Mom's Observation is good wth are you talking about lol
 
SnookB said:
Kaifu sliced through the ENTIRE ARM of his structure. Zoro's buso blades literally swatted Kaifu. Do the math
Any slash is bisecting clean through Kid's structures. There's not even a notable durability difference between punk rotten and corna dio for us to assume the latter can tank kaifu any better. Scrap that he loses vs Zoro leaves him open to way more hits than he would in a fight with a group on his side.
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It got cut in half and just kept going against Big Mom. Zoro's getting slammed. Also while he's preoccupied with slicing he's gonna get blasted with Damned Punk.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
He's not gonna let it.
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True, I mean did you see how relentless he was with Prometheus? If Kaido hadn't forced Law to save Zoro (which distracted Zoro), Prometheus would've died since Zoro had turned him into nearly nothing.

And Zoro has Danmaku of his own.

And let's not forget that his buso scales above his pre-mink Buso, which blocked the Hakai that would've killed the other 4 supernova, all of whom have taken hits from the Yonko (Kid, Law, and Killer from Big Mom and Base Post-Udon Luffy from both BM and Kaido). Yes, it broke Zoro's arms, but the fact that he didn't, you know, DIE while blocking it puts his Buso AP even before the mink medicine at >= the durability of Killer, Base Post-Udon Luffy, Kid, and Law.
 
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That_moron said:
Then he gets Damned Punked lmao. Or Kidd uses awakening and traps him.
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Bro he's not gonna hit him with Damned Punk. Even Big Mom, who is admittedly bigger and sort of slower in combat ( not reactively but just, due to being large and obese, it's gonna be harder for her to move as fast as her enemies ), had to get her spine and other bones broken and organs shocked and pinned to the ground for Kidd to land it on her.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Bro he's not gonna hit him with Damned Punk. Even Big Mom, who is admittedly bigger and sort of slower in combat ( not reactively but just, due to being large and obese, it's gonna be harder for her to move as fast as her enemies ), had to get her spine and other bones broken and organs shocked and pinned to the ground for Kidd to land it on her.
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He's busy dealing with Punk Corna dio. That's how he gets hit. Or Kidd gets up close and pins him with awakening.
 
His slashes/parries scaling over Kaifu alone puts them above Kid's constructs. He's not busy dealing with anything when his Haki nulls Kid's effect on him anyway.
 
The only construct of Kidd's with decent durability is Punk Corna Dio since that took a blow from Big Mom + Misery.
 
Eseseso said:
The only construct of Kidd's with decent durability is Punk Corna Dio since that took a blow from Big Mom + Misery.
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It was Big Mom w/maser sabre and it didn't take a blow from her it was cut in half, he just continued to use the upper half to attack while Big Mom was restricted by kid's awakening.
 
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Eminiteable said:
It was Big Mom w/maser sabre and it didn't take a blow from her it was cut in half, he just continued to use the upper half to attack while Big Mom was restricted by kid's awakening.
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It only attacked the face of the bull, I don't recall it being bisected
 
Eminiteable said:
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That seems like it'd bisect Punk Corna Dio, not cut him into 6.

Also, I will say that Kid is pretty durable, arguably more so than base Zoro.

Dude took a point blank punch from BM to the face and was barely affected, and even while being wounded by Hawkins and completely unable to focus, he took a Mama Raid with BM fricking slamming Napoleon down with all the weight possible onto a Kidd who couldn't guard at all, and Kidd was totally fine
 
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