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Zeus additions

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Some things I found out about Zeus that should be added to the article

WARNING: LONG POST

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Zeus is described as being the strongest of the gods, and even Poseidon has admitted this:

"Consciousness of his omnipotence is admirably illustrated in the famous scene in the Iliad (8.17 ff.) in which Zeus makes this challenge to the Olympians: "Then [you] will see how far I am strongest of all the immortals. Come, you gods, make this endeavor, that you all may learn this. Let down out of the sky a cord of gold; lay hold of it all you who are gods and all who are goddesses, yet not even so can you drag down Zeus from the sky to the ground, not Zeus the high lord of counsel, though you try until you grow weary. Yet whenever I might strongly be minded to pull you, I could drag you up, earth and all and sea and all with you, then fetch the golden rope about the horn of Olympos and make it fast, so that all once more should dangle in mid air. So much stronger am I than the gods, and stronger than mortals" (trans. Richmond Lattimore, The Iliad of Homer [Chicago, 1951])."

-A History of Religious Ideas Vol. 1

"Hera, you fearless talker,
What are you saying? That's not what I want,
the rest of us to war on Zeus, son of Cronos.
For he is much more powerful than us."

- Homer, Iliad: Book 8

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Him merely shaking his head shook the universe:

"When all were plac'd, in seats distinctly known,
And he, their father, had assum'd the throne,
Upon his iv'ry sceptre first he leant,
Then shook his head, that shook the firmament:
Air, Earth, and seas, obey'd th' almighty nod;
And, with a gen'ral fear, confess'd the God.
At length, with indignation, thus he broke His awful silence, and the Pow'rs bespoke."

- Ovid, Metamorphoses, Book 1

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When not holding back, his lightning was described as earth and heaven coming together and even chaos was disturbed by this

"Then Zeus no longer held back his might; but straight his heart was filled with fury and he showed forth all his strength. From Heaven and from Olympos he came forthwith, hurling his lightning: the bold flew thick and fast from his strong hand together with thunder and lightning, whirling an awesome flame. The life-giving earth crashed around in burning, and the vast wood crackled loud with fire all about. All the land seethed, and Okeanos' streams and the unfruitful sea. The hot vapour lapped round the Titenes Khthonios (Earthly): flame unspeakable rose to the bright upper air (aither): the flashing glare of the thunder-stone and lightning blinded their eyes for all that there were strong. Astounding heat seized air (khaos): and to see with eyes and to hear the sound with ears it seemed even as if Earth (Gaia) and wide Heaven (Ouranos) above came together; for such a mighty crash would have arisen if Earth (Gaia) were being hurled to ruin, and Heaven (Ouranos) from on high were hurling her down; so great a crash was there while the gods were meeting together in strife. Also the winds brought rumbling earthquake and duststorm, thunder and lightning and the lurid thunderbolt, which are the shafts of great Zeus, and carried the clangour and the warcry into the midst of the two hosts. An horrible uproar of terrible strife arose: mighty deeds were shown and the battle inclined. But until then, they kept at one another and fought continually in cruel war."

-Hesiod, Theogony 617 ff

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His lighting bolts can create fire to melt the universe and destory the Gigantes

[253] And now his thunder bolts would Jove wide scatter, but he feared the flames, unnumbered, sacred ether might ignite and burn the axle of the universe: and he remembered in the scroll of fate, there is a time appointed when the sea and earth and Heavens shall melt, and fire destroy the universe of mighty labour wrought. Such weapons by the skill of Cyclops forged, for different punishment he laid aside—for straightway he preferred to overwhelm the mortal race beneath deep waves and storms from every raining sky.

- Ovid, Metamorphoses Book 1 (trans. More)

"Zeus in his wrath was set upon the crest [depicted on the helm of Akhilleus] throned on heaven's dome; the Immortals all around fierce-battling with the Titanes fought for Zeus. Already were their foes enwrapped with flame, for thick and fast as snowflakes poured from heaven the thunderbolts: the might of Zeus was roused, and burning Gigantes seemed to breathe out flames."

- Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 5. 103 ff (trans. Way)

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Zeus is aware of all, is all seeing, and it is not possible to trick him

"Zeus, at the utmost verge of earth, was aware of all: straight left he Okeanos's stream, and to wide heaven ascended, charioted upon the Anemoi (Winds), Euros (the East), Boreas (the North), Zephyros (the West-wind), and Notos (the South) : for Iris rainbow-plumed led 'neath the yoke of his eternal ear that stormy team, the ear which Aion (Time) the immortal framed for him of adamant with never-wearying hands."

- Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 12. 189 ff (trans. Way)

"To [Zeus] Kronides (the Son of Kronos), Most High (hypatos). I will sing of Zeus, chiefest among the gods and greatest, all-seeing, the lord of all, the fulfiller who whispers words of wisdom to Themis as she sits leaning towards him. Be gracious, all-seeing Kronides, most excellent and great!"

- Homeric Hymn 23 to Cronides (trans. Evelyn-White)

"It is not possible either to trick or escape the mind of Zeus. - Hesiod (C.Eight Century B.C.), Theogony)"

- Classical Mythology: Myths and Legends of Ancient Greece and Rome

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Can flood the Earth

"Raincloud Zeus brought the waters up in mountainous seas on high and flooded all cities, how Notos and Boreas, Euros and Libos [Zephyros] in turn lashed Deukalion's wandering hutch, lifted it castaway on waves in the air and left it harbourless near the moon."

-Source: Nonnus, Dionysiaca 12. 59 ff (trans. Rouse)

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Can keep the sun, moon, and dawn from moving

"When Ge (Earth) learned of this, she sought a drug that would prevent their destruction even by mortal hands. But Zeus barred the appearance of Eos (the Dawn), Selene (the Moon), and Helios (the Sun), and chopped up the drug himself before Ge could find it."

- Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 1. 34 - 38 (trans. Aldrich)

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Can control necessity itself

"Let him [Zeus] lift me [the Titan Prometheus] on high and hurl me down to black Tartaros with the swirling floods of stern Necessity (anankê) [i.e. the fate of the other Titanes] : do what he will, me he shall never bring to death [i.e. because the Titanes are immortal]."

- Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound 1050 ff

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In orphic hymns, it is said he is the creator of all and the giver of life

"To the Daimon [Zeus]. Thee, mighty ruling Daimon dread, I call, mild Zeus, life-giving, and the source of all: great Zeus, much wandering, terrible and strong, to whom revenge and tortures dire belong. Mankind from thee in plenteous wealth abound, when in their dwellings joyful thou art found; or pass through life afflicted and distressed, the needful means of bliss by thee suppressed. 'Tis thine alone, endued with boundless might, to keep the keys of sorrow and delight.

- Orphic Hymn 73 to the Daemo

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Zeus is Omnipresent

"For already in Homer Zeus recovers the splendors and powers of a true Indo-European sovereign god. He is more than a god of the "vast sky," he is "the father of gods and men" (Iliad 1.544). And in a fragment of his Heliades (frag. 70 Nauck), Aeschylus proclaims: "Zeus is the ether, Zeus is the earth, Zeus is the sky. Yes, Zeus is all that is above all.""

- A History of Religious Ideas Vol.

"Zeus is the air, Zeus the earth, Zeus all things and what transcends them all. - Aeschylus (525 B.C. - 456 B.C.), Fragments"

- Classical Mythology: Myths and Legends of Ancient Greece and Rome

"Zeus is the air, Zeus earth, and Zeus the sky, Zeus everything and all that's more than these."

-The Greek Myths: Gods, Monsters, Heroes and the Origins of Storytelling

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One source states he defeated both Typhon and Gaia at the same time

"Now as the son [Typhoeus in his battle against Zeus] was scourged with frozen volleys of jagged hailstones, his mother dry Gaia (Earth) was beaten too; and seeing the stone bullets and icy points embedded in the Gigante's flesh, the witness of his fate, she prayed to Titan Helios (Sun) with submissive voice: she begged of him one red hot ray, that with its heating fire she might melt the petrified water of Zeus, by pouring his kindred radiance over frozen Typhon. She herself melted along with his bruised body; and when she saw his legion of high-clambering hands burnt all round, she besought one of the tempestuous winter's blasts to come for one morning, that he might quench Typhon's overpowering thirst by his cool breezes. Then Kronion inclined the equally balanced beam of the fight. But Gaia his mother had thrown off her veil of forests with her hand, and just then was grieving to behold Typhaon's smoking heads. While his faces were shrivelling, the Gigante's knees gave way beneath him; the trumpet of Zeus brayed, foretelling victory with a roll of thunder; down fell Typhoeus's high-uplifted frame, drunk with the fiery bolt from heaven, stricken with a war-wound of something more than steel, and lay with his back upon Gaia (Earth) his mother, stretching his snaky limbs in the dust and belching flame."

-Nonnus, Dionysiaca 2. 540 ff

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Turned Orion into a constellatio \


Then he came to Lemnos as a beggar and there met Hephaistos who took pity on him and gave him Kedalion (Cedalion) his own servant to guide him. So Orion took Kedalion upon his shoulders and used to carry him about while he pointed out the roads. Then he came to the east and appears to have met Helios (the Sun) and to have been healed, and so returned back again to Oinopion to punish him; but Oinopion was hidden away by his people underground. Being disappointed, then, in his search for the king, Orion went away to Krete and spent his time hunting in company with Artemis and Leto. It seems that he threatened to kill every beast there was on earth; whereupon, in her anger, Ge (Gaea, the Earth) sent up against him a Scorpion of very great size by which he was stung and so perished. After this Zeus, at the prayer of Artemis and Leto, put him among the stars, because of his manliness, and the Scorpion also as a memorial of him and of what had occurred.

- Hesiod, Astronomy Fragment 4 _______________________________________________________________________________________


Semele was burned to death when revealing his true form to her as light


"Semele was loved by Zeus because of her beauty, but since he had his intercourse with her secretly and without speech she thought that the god despised her; consequently she made the request of him that he come to her embraces in the same manner as in his approaches to Hera. Accordingly, Zeus visited her in a way befitting a god, accompanied by thundering and lightning, revealing himself to her as he embraced her; but Semele, who was pregnant and unable to endure the majesty of the divine presence, brought forth the babe untimely and was herself slain by the fire. Thereupon Zeus, taking up the child [Dionysos], handed it over to the care of Hermes, and ordered him to take it to the cave in Nysa . . . where he should deliver it to the Nymphai (Nymphs)."


-Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 4. 2. 1 __________________________________________________________________________________

In the Titanomachy, a war between the titans and olympians that Zeus was a part of, their clashing caused the "Boundless sea" to ring and the heavens to groan and shake

"The boundless sea rang terribly around, and the earth crashed loudly: wide Heaven was shaken and groaned, and high Olympos reeled from its foundation under the charge of the undying gods, and a heavy quaking reached dim Tartaros and the deep sound of their feet in the fearful onset and of their hard missiles. So, then, they launched their grievous shafts upon one another, and the cry of both armies as they shouted reached to starry heaven; and they met together with a great battle-cry."

- Hesiod, Theogony 617 ff

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Shook the waters and the heavens during the battle between the giants

"Olympian Zeus himself from heaven in wrath smote down the insolent bands of Gigantes (Giants) grim, and shook the boundless earth, Tethys and Okeanos, and the heavens, when reeled the knees of Atlas neath the rush of Zeus."

- Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 11. 415 ff

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Zeus resurrected and granted immortality to Eos' son, Memno

"Then Memnon, the son of Eos, wearing armour made by Hephaistos, comes to help the Trojans, and Thetis tells her son about Memnon. A battle takes place in which Antilokhos is slain by Memnon and Memnon by Akhilleus. Eos then obtains of Zeus and bestows upon her son immortality."

- Arctinus of Miletus, The Aethiopis Frag 1 (from Proclus, Chrestomathia 2)


Zeus killed Phaethon, the son of Helios, the god of the sun, and Klymene, goddess of fame, when he drove his fathers sun-chariot to close to the earth and almost destroyed it.

"The Daughters of Helios dealt with the legend of Pha├½thon, whose rashness in diving the chariot of the Sun, his father, caused the parching of the earth, and thereby his punishment at the hands of Zeus, whose thunderbolt hurled him into the river Eridanus. In pity for the unceasing grief of Pha├½thon's sisters, Zeus turned them into poplars, from which, it was believed, their tears oozed forth and became amber, the stone of light; a poetic fancy due to the association of ├¬lectron 'amber' with ├¬lectôr 'the beaming sun.'

- Aeschylus, Heliades

"When Phaethon was struck by the thunderbolt, his sisters were changed into poplar trees in their grief and every year shed tears of amber by the banks of the river Eridanos, which we call the Padus (Po); the amber is known as electrum, since the Sun is called Elector (Elketor, Shiner). Many poets have told this."

- Philoxenus of Cythera, Fragment 834

This is impressive since gods are supposedly "Deathless"

"The Olympian Lightener [Zeus] called all the deathless gods to great Olympos, and said that whosoever of the gods would fight with him against the Titenes, he would not cast him out from his rights, but each should have the office which he had before amongst the deathless gods; he said, too, that the god who under Kronos had gone without position or privilege should under him be raised to these, according to justice."

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Hesiod, Theogony 383 ff

and this is supported more in my necessity quote when Prometheus says Zeus cannot kill him because of his immortality.

Zeus sends the Titans and Typhon to Tarturus

"[In the Titan War, Zeus and the Hekatonkheires] launched from their strong hands and overshadowed the Titenes with their missiles, and hurled them beneath the wide-pathed earth, and bound them in bitter chains when they had conquered them by their strength for all their great spirit, as far beneath the earth as heaven is above earth; for so far is it from earth to Tartarus."

-Hesiod, Theogony 715 ff (trans. Evelyn-White)

"But now, when Zeus had headed up his own strength, seizing his weapons, thunder, lightning, and the glowering thunderbolt, he made a leap from Olympos, and struck, setting fire to all those wonderful heads set about on the dreaded monster. Then, when Zeus had put him down with his strokes, Typhoeus crashed, crippled, and the gigantic earth groaned beneath him, and the flame from the great lord so thunder-smitten ran out along the darkening and steep forests of the mountains as he was struck, and a great part of the gigantic earth burned in the wonderful wind of his heat, and melted, as tin melts in the heat of the carefully grooved crucible when craftsmen work it, or as iron, though that is the strongest substance, melts under stress of blazing fire in the mountain forests worked by handicraft of Hephaistos (Hephaestus) inside the divine earth. So earth melted in the flash of the blazing fire; but Zeus in tumult of anger cast Typhoeus into broad Tartaros."

- Hesiod, Theogony 820 ff

Caused Porphyrion to lust after Hera and wanting to rape her.

"In the course of the battle Porphyrion rushed against Herakles and also Hera. Zeus instilled him with a passion for Hera, and when he tore her gown and wanted to rape her, she called for help, whereat Zeus hit him with a thunderbolt and Herakles slew him with an arrow."

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Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 1. 34 - 38

So Greek Zeus may have:

Possibly Universe level attack potency

law, fire, water, light, darkness, and earth manipulation

Omnipresence

Omniscience or Nigh-Omniscience

Mid-Godly Regenerationn

Telekinesis

Cosmic Awareness

Non-corporeal (In his true form)

Power Bestowal

Resurrection

Empathic Manipulation

BFR

Power Negation


and Orphic Zeus may have:

Creation and Life Manipulation

absorbtion
 
Orphic Zeus should also have conceptual manipulation and asborbtion, and base zeus should have mid godly Regenerationn, since no one, not even another god, can kill a god, and they can affect souls.
 
I can add these to the article.

It is true that they cannot kill other gods, which is why Zeus had to put the Titans in Tarturus rather than executing them.

Not sure other gods other than cthonic or death gods can manipulate souls.
 
Cosmic Awareness, Telekinesis, Law Manipulation, Nigh Omniscience, Soul Manipulation and Regenerationn (Mid Godly, Not even gods can kill other gods and this includes gods of death who can affect souls) for base, and Absorbtion and conceptual manipulation for Orphic Zeus are what I think is fine. Neccesity Manipulation I disagree with for nedge's reasons.
 
Lightbuster30 said:
Isn't the firmanent the sky dome or something?
Yes, It is. The sky dome is actually Uranus. This is a very impressive feat since it took Kronos along with 4 of his brothers to ambush Uranus and use an enchanted Sickle to bring him down, and even then that didn't kill him or incapacitate him for long. And Zeus can make him shake with a mere nod.
 
Yes, It is. The sky dome is actually Uranus. This is a very impressive feat since it took Kronos along with 4 of his brothers to ambush Uranus and use an enchanted Sickle to bring him down, and even then that didn't kill him or incapacitate him for long. And Zeus can make him shake with a mere nod.

well then it isn't universal.
 
@Voltron5, while I agree with about everythings, you should post text related to Zeus (Myth)'s Conceptual Manipulation and Soul Manipulation.

For Zeus (Myth)'s Conceptual Manipulation, I would suggest finding a text related to Chaos (Mythology) or Nyx (Myth) that show Zeus (Myth) has shared have a similar Conceptual Manipulation feat.

For Soul Manipulation, I honestly don't know, but likewise I would suggest finding a text related to Thanatos or Hades (Myth) might help that show Zeus (Myth) has shared have a similar Soul Manipulation feat.

P.S: Sorry for the mistakes, I unknowningly linked the wrong profiles at first.
 
well then it isn't universal.
Maybe not, but he does have other feats on this level. he shook and disturbed chaos, who created the universe itself. He can also could burn the universe himself with the fires from his lightning bolt. In his fights with the titans, caused the infinite primeval waters to shake. Even, Greeks considered the sky all that is above.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
shaking a universe is solar system level I think
Maybe, but you have to understand that in Greek cosmology, they thought the earth was surronded by an infinite ocean and above that was an infinite "Heaven of heavens"
Greek cosmology
. These were part of the universe.
 
Maybe, but you have to understand that in Greek cosmology, they thought the earth was surronded by an infinite ocean and above that was an infinite "Heaven of heavens"
Greek cosmology
. These were part of the universe.
Just curious but are you actually a historian?
 
Eganergo said:
Just curious but are you actually a historian?
Nope, just really like mythology and try to learn as much as I can. What makes you think I'm a historian?
 
Don't forget Probability Manipulation (Cursed Tantalus' descendants with Bad Luck), Power Granting (Gave the Gods their powers), Non-Coporeal (His true form is a pillar of light which scales to all the Gods), Fire Manipulation (Burns Semele to death with his true form), Abstract Existence (Described as the Aether which scales to the others since Dionysus embodies the grapevine and wine), Power Nullification (His bolts ignore the Gods' Immortality and regen)
 
Hellbeast1 said:
Don't forget Probability Manipulation (Cursed Tantalus' descendants with Bad Luck), Power Granting (Gave the Gods their powers), Non-Coporeal (His true form is a pillar of light which scales to all the Gods), Fire Manipulation (Burns Semele to death with his true form), Abstract Existence (Described as the Aether which scales to the others since Dionysus embodies the grapevine and wine), Power Nullification (His bolts ignore the Gods' Immortality and regen)


These are nice additions but could you find quotes for these?
 
You should ask Matthew Schroeder to comment here.
 
@Matthew

Well, you are free to improve upon them.

Anyway, what do you think of these suggestions?
 
Maybe, but you have to understand that in Greek cosmology, they thought the earth was surronded by an infinite ocean and above that was an infinite "Heaven of heavens"
Greek cosmology
. These were part of the universe.
Yes, but Zeus shook the firmanant not the ocean or hoh. The other feats you mention could be universal.
 
Zeus (Myth) is rated at Low 2-C Universe level+ (Consumed all the gods and everything in existence, becoming one with everything in the process)

His rating seems accurate.

Furthermore, Chaos (Mythology)/Nyx (Myth) is the very first deity and overall thing to ever exist. It created the entire universe and all of the gods within it, starting with Gaia, Tartarus, Nyx, Eros, and Erebus. This proved that the verse is 4-D
 
Would Zeus be infinite low 2-C if he became one with everything (including realms infinitely bigger than the infinite universe)
 
Lightbuster30 said:
Yes, but Zeus shook the firmanant not the ocean or hoh. The other feats you mention could be universal.
Found Two quotes:

In the Titanomachy, a war between the titans and olympians that Zeus was a part of, their clashing caused the "Boundless sea" to ring and the heavens to groan and shake

"The boundless sea rang terribly around, and the earth crashed loudly: wide Heaven was shaken and groaned, and high Olympos reeled from its foundation under the charge of the undying gods, and a heavy quaking reached dim Tartaros and the deep sound of their feet in the fearful onset and of their hard missiles. So, then, they launched their grievous shafts upon one another, and the cry of both armies as they shouted reached to starry heaven; and they met together with a great battle-cry."

- Hesiod, Theogony 617 ff

Shook the waters and the heavens during the battle between the giants

"Olympian Zeus himself from heaven in wrath smote down the insolent bands of Gigantes (Giants) grim, and shook the boundless earth, Tethys and Okeanos, and the heavens, when reeled the knees of Atlas neath the rush of Zeus."

- Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 11. 415 ff
 
Maybe, I can also try to add in some of hellbeast1's findings form his blog and maybe from Matthews blogs as well?
 
I suppose, but I am the wrong person to properly evaluate this.
 
Well, if Matthew refuses to help us out, not much is likely to happen. Maybe you can ask Ultima Reality as well?
 
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