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Shuumatsu 4-A
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PrinceofPein
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That will be a mistake, let me try and find the thread
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Looks fine, the only real problem is the chibi anime thing which I don’t think should be completely disregarded
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Sounds pretty reasonable at first look but it's kinda iffy.
As others have said, we have no confirmation of the chibi thingy being canon, and the series doesn't follow the mythologies 90% of the time.
Whether heaven is a universe or a planet has been like the main topic of crossverse RoR scalings and the one page being a mistranslation isn't all that convincing tbh. It denies it as evidence of heaven being a planet but doesn't necessarily prove it being a universe.
So I'm neutral for now.
As others have said, we have no confirmation of the chibi thingy being canon, and the series doesn't follow the mythologies 90% of the time.
Whether heaven is a universe or a planet has been like the main topic of crossverse RoR scalings and the one page being a mistranslation isn't all that convincing tbh. It denies it as evidence of heaven being a planet but doesn't necessarily prove it being a universe.
So I'm neutral for now.
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A starry sky where they are fighting is shown several times (which is the sky).
The worlds are placed as equal which means that Midgard is not just Earth since it is not 4-A in size. In the titanomachy Zeus and his father fought somewhere in the Milky Way
Demon_Lord18
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The CRT is not just for 3-A, there is also 4-A which is because of the starry sky in valhalla
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Tbh, I think it’s best to get Arc7 here, he’s the best dude for translations and context since this thread heavily relies on them.
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The issue isn't whether Heaven is in a separate space from earth but whether heaven refers to the planet/planets gods live on or the entire space they live in.
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Looks good
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i can agree with 4-A for now
3-A relies heavily on the source myth which has shown multiple times to have not been followed strictly by the series
3-A relies heavily on the source myth which has shown multiple times to have not been followed strictly by the series
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for me I could put 5b, probably high 4C, possibly higher, since the number of quotes about destroying at least something the size of a star is pretty reliable, since all the quotes about destroying at least one plane of the universe contain stars
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I agree with the topic
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Looks good
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BTW I'm leaning towards disagreeing. The evidence and arguments presented are pretty weak
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That doesn't say that the heavens are a universe…
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Will 1 admin vote be enough for this topic to be accepted?
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This panel alone convinces me of 3-A
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Uhm, this is a massive AP revision for an entire mainstream verse. Like it literally affects everyone. The rules say
And
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Why? It literally does not call the heavens a universe. Like, at all
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Alr then, I think we need two admins left. Looks like DDM has already agreed on this issue
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Agreed.
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This has been rejected already, why is it still open
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No idea why, but a bunch of new people came in randomly saying they agree, so...
Honestly this verse barely has enough to it to support planet level, never mind Multi-Solar System or Universal
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Where was the issue rejected, people are reading and voting on discussions in this thread, so.. if there is a thread where this topic has been downvoted recently, post it
PrinceofPein
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That is what I also do not understand
Here you go, it is a surprise there is no discussion rule against this already.
Here is one
Here is another
Here is another
This are the ones I can find with "Universal Record of Ragnarok" And yes there is more
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Okay, I understand that threads have been opened about this topic before, but there is no existing rule, which means this topic can continue now (So I think)
EDIT: And it would be really unfair to throw this thread away when we have one super admin vote.
EDIT: And it would be really unfair to throw this thread away when we have one super admin vote.
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Actually this has become really common with crt's lately, in content revisions where there is no member or members with knowledge of the verse, the OP's suggestion is accepted unquestioningly by a bunch of random new members and sometimes even applied to profiles with staff approval. I mean, there were times in the past in crt's when peoples behaved this way because it was difficult for a new member (myself included when I first joined) to accurately assess the practical applications in fiction, even if they knew the wiki standards, but the situation was manageable, whereas now, regardless of this crt, in many crt's you can see new members, sometimes as many as 5-6 people, saying "I agree" to the OP without providing any arguments.
PrinceofPein
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No what would not be fair is having to argue the same thing over and over again. I literally have no strength left to tackle this subject again like I used to. Why? I see it all the time and I am no longer interested in it at this point. So there should have been a discussion rule.
These verse do not even have a solid 5-B feat to even begin with, so it gets weird when I am seeing claims of universal RoR
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Please go and create a thread for this, don't confuse this topic any more than necessary.
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frfr tempest is my goat
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çok konuştun aslan
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Still nothing.
Honestly given how bad the evidence is for 4A/3A RoR, even if this somehow magically does end up getting accepted and applied it will get taken down pretty quickly.
As others have pointed out, the verse has no feats beyond like city level and is carried by vague statements. Thor supposedly being capable of shattering earth with the strongest Devine weapon (at the start of the series) was hyped tf up so without extremely solid evidence that the word "heaven" refers to a universe, there will never be a 3A or above RoR.
PrinceofPein
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Interesting. It's the wiki we may never see it
Don't tempt me
This is the place for this topic though.
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ok no, go and find a rule or something to back up what you're saying, I don't really care as long as there's nothing official about it
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