Not much
What exceeds zeno's speed is rtz, not ger's physicals and since he can't ct zeno's 5d e.e i think it's unimportant
What shows GER itself were not even cognizant during it?
Is there any scene in the series that shows us this? because as far as I remember rtz is only trigger after anything done on them
I honestly think ger can't rtz the 5d action zeno performed on him and that's why the match goes to zeno
He very much doesn't need contact, in that instance, RTZ activated automatically without any conscious thought from GER or Gio in order to stop Diavolo from striking them, and then promptly negated is effect on GER. GER never touched Diavolo at all before that point, or while it was happening.
He does use poisons though so we know that's a tactic he's willing to use, he's just never had to find a way to use a poison that is injected via other methods like contact or ingestion, but I don't think it'd take him long to realize he has next to no options and thus should try using his actual ability that he's used a handful of times before and just pick a animal that works.
None of which would happen, at least for RTZ. Giorno or GER dying isn't going to free Diavolo from his RTZ for example, that shit hard confirmed to be going on forever, which indirectly tells us that once set up, its sustainability is insane
See above, if we take him being unable to land his attack as incap, then it most definitely is given he'll never be able regardless of Gio.
That is true unfortunately, it's confirmed he killed Diavolo in the initial pummel in guides, and he RTZ'd his death here, initiating that loop. Which makes sense, how can he RTZ the act of dying, if the mf wasn't dying? It isn't like GER has Death Manip and he can just magic you to drop dead. Now how the death happens doesn't matter, but he does need the foe to be in the act of dying.
Idk man, if we're going with GER RTZ'ing Zeno, it only has to happen once against a specific action and then that thing will never come to pass.
no bro thinking about harming giorno will activate rtz
Why would GER be pretending to be a non-existent holographic forecast that doesn't actually exist and is fated to follow his future and past actions in that span of time, completely ignoring Diavolo and punching at nothing. Only to, once RTZ proc'd, start talking, moving, and making note of RTZ and how Diavolo is boned now
Not quite, you can think, you just can't do, it isn't like WoU if that's what you're thinking.
Ignoring the fact GER should def have 2-B range.
If that's your line of thought that's a thing, but stuff like "instant Tier 1 destruction" being nulled from GER is just heeeh.
That's my problem with it. It's not just potency, is about the size of the destruction involved. GER nulling something that has higher range than what it showcased is the literal definition of NLF.
Think of it like nulling the dude pulling the trigger instead of the actual destruction.
What? Zeno doesn't use big dick uni destruction like that, he did with zamasu ig but he WAS the universe.
Zeno's IC is very prone to destroy everything instantly. Goku just triggered him enough for Zamasu. Whis even said that Zeno destroyed 6 universes just because he had a bad mood.
Against Frost he did only to him because he wanted to enjoy the tournament. Totally different context here lol.
Sure, but again, just because he can, has and often would, doesn't mean he always does. Beerus makes it clear he deletes stuff often on a whim, and obviously, everything isn't gone.
Is it though? It tells us he can choose to EE just a specific thing, we know he's trigger happy, but it isn't like everything is gone which indirectly tells us he doesn't delete all of reality every time he uses EE (like no shit obviously).
My guy, it can't destroy a Tier 2/1 structure across all time without Immeasurable attack speed. Every Tier 2/1 attack that destroys space-time has it by default, characters scale to said attack speed only if they have reasons to (like Frisk physically avoiding Asriel's timeline destruction in Undertale).
I never argued it, I said that GER's range is limited to Low 2-C for now, if someone 2-C or above decides to nuke Giorno from another universe, GER nulling that would be the NLF.
Literally none of what you just said is relevant. Nobody is talking about AP, nobody is talking about destroying a damn thing. Though, is Zeno's feat even Imm? Didn't the timeline explicitly still have a past and he only destroyed the present, which enabled Whis to take Trunks back to his world's past and let him live there by use of his wn special time travel that doesn't have the timeline split caveat the time machine does?
Bruh, SBA, Zeno isn't starting 50 universes away or something. They start 4km apart at maximum.
The time ring representing the timeline got destroyed, it's the reason why Zeno is Low 1-C to begin with. Plus the time machine is not a time machine but a device that travels through parallel universes.
That's for specific techniques. You can't destroy an infinite space without infinite speed, the attack needs to cross that. The "infinite with [thing]" is just for techniques that most of the time don't even destroy after all.
Kinda off topic, but if Zeno's stuff is instant, then GER can't null it, it's easy as that.
Yes. Im talking about Whis though, who has actual time travel, did Whis not explicitly time travel back and take Trunks back to his world? If I'm not wrong there, evidently the past still existed.
Is his EE not a specific technique? If it's his attack speed in general, we list that too.
Literally EVERY TIME that mf raised his hand, pointed or gestured. My dude this ain't hard to grasp, the EE shouldn't even be apart of the convo because Zeno won't even get to whip it out, he gets RTZ'd the moment he tries
Absolutely not. All he did was just taking Trunks in a world where Black did not exist where there were other Trunks/Mai.
I mean, how can you erase a Tier 2/1 structure across space-time without Immeasurable lol?
You sure
Tell that to the blog in Zeno's profile not me tho.
