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Said Armored Hati was a Notorious variant, I’d put that thing as, if not more, powerful as the prologue Dulluhan
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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread
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Yeah...still no eval'ed calc
Should start to really bother some calc members on that then lol.
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Oh yeah, it was. It's also the one you fight first, so it's likely the one who took down the door mentioned here.
Granted, it doesn't say what kind of door it is but I'm very much assuming it's your standard door and given the kind of place they were in, it should be the one that makes it wall level for destroying it.
If we are scaling that above the prologue/newly born Dullahan, that's an alright wall level ladder we can go up from there.
Granted, it doesn't say what kind of door it is but I'm very much assuming it's your standard door and given the kind of place they were in, it should be the one that makes it wall level for destroying it.
If we are scaling that above the prologue/newly born Dullahan, that's an alright wall level ladder we can go up from there.
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Anyways IDK if you guys have tried but I'm slowly trying to find more ways to easier categorize the characters for more lower end feats (although I don't really want to make too many low ends for them either lol, much less for Void Hunters like Miyabi lol).
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I just need feats to calc, but I think we might be able to work with some other ones like Ben's weapon, which is basically a rocket powered concrete block. There's also Corrin's sawing feat ig since she fought alongside Nekomata. I'll be able to calc small things like those and they're relatively simple. For the others, we likely have to dig deep into the lore, such as thegangasters and how strong their weapons are.
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If scaling Notorious (Mini boss variants) Ethereals above Prologue Dulluhan, wouldn’t it be 9-A scaling ladder given that Dulluhan was an issue for Anby and Billy?
By the way, could we count the fodder enemies, like those common Ethereals or human enemies you’d fight in groups, as being able to destroy wooden crates in battle as a feat to use for them?
By the way, could we count the fodder enemies, like those common Ethereals or human enemies you’d fight in groups, as being able to destroy wooden crates in battle as a feat to use for them?
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Imo destructibles count but wanna here your guys' thoughts? Cause we do see mission segments where they do have to break past barricades and such
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That one completely crossed my mind but I'm alright with that. It's another good supporting feats for the Agents to scale to and up from.
Possibly? The gap between baseline Wall (9-B) to Small Building (9-A) is nearly x1395. I mentioned before that I'm not all calc'y swave but just knocking down a door is solidly wall level that I can understand. Destroying it altogether is surely above that but idk how close it is to baseline 9-A.
If the calc's were evaluated, we'd have them as supporting feats but as things are, nobody is commenting on them so this is the next best thing but I really feel like there's other feats of the same level I could find to scale the Agents off for now.
Otherwise, yeah destroying wooden crates and defeating mid-high level Ethereals that can destroy a whole door down, even low-level ones that can punch through doors is what I've gotten. Other stuff we got too like S11 leaving a somewhat sizeable gash cut on a riot shield but idk where that falls under in terms of AP.
If the calc's were evaluated, we'd have them as supporting feats but as things are, nobody is commenting on them so this is the next best thing but I really feel like there's other feats of the same level I could find to scale the Agents off for now.
Otherwise, yeah destroying wooden crates and defeating mid-high level Ethereals that can destroy a whole door down, even low-level ones that can punch through doors is what I've gotten. Other stuff we got too like S11 leaving a somewhat sizeable gash cut on a riot shield but idk where that falls under in terms of AP.
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We should get pics of obstacles then just so we have a good idea what they look like. Here are some more ideas I have:
I'll try to get a better look of Ben's weapon and then we can see how strong he is
- While not universal, Blastcrawlers can also be used as a good basis through explosive radius calculation, or any other ethereal with a blast radius explosive
- Nineveh's Tornado
- If Pulchra ends up scaling or fighting other characters, they'd be comparable to Burnice surviving the explosion by transitive property
- Rampant Brutes apparently wear construction equipment that looks heavy enough to crush bodybuilders but the vagueness of the statement makes it more supportive
I'll try to get a better look of Ben's weapon and then we can see how strong he is
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Yeah but I need a reference like a character standing right next to it to get its dimensions. Can't access ZZZ right now
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honestly i think we should try and get more speed feats if possible. 9-A and supersonic are pretty solid baselines for the majority of the cast but i feel like there are some individual speed feats from characters that could get them above supersonic
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I can do that if no one has any plans to make any of the Sons of Calydon profiles.
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this entire thread was genuinely hilarious, i also find it extremely funny how powerscaling/agenda posting of all things is what's helping ZZZ's rep on twitter
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Soukaku solos your favorite verse.
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I scaled the crates using Miyabi as reference and it's about:
105.86cm x 192.12cm x 127.82 cm
Cross-referencing it with other crates in References for Common Feats, this is a solid 9-B feat since several characters can destroy multiple. But I think we can do better with some of the stronger barriers like the concrete ones? Still, this is good basis.
160322.513084 (estimated value)
Frag = 3.99896 J/CC *160322.513084 cm^3 = 641,123.3169 Joules or 0.00015 tons of TNT
V. Frag = 7.791076 J/CC * 160322.513084 cm^3 = 1,249, 084.88395 Joules or ~0.0003 tons of TNT
105.86cm x 192.12cm x 127.82 cm
Cross-referencing it with other crates in References for Common Feats, this is a solid 9-B feat since several characters can destroy multiple. But I think we can do better with some of the stronger barriers like the concrete ones? Still, this is good basis.
160322.513084 (estimated value)
Frag = 3.99896 J/CC *160322.513084 cm^3 = 641,123.3169 Joules or 0.00015 tons of TNT
V. Frag = 7.791076 J/CC * 160322.513084 cm^3 = 1,249, 084.88395 Joules or ~0.0003 tons of TNT
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BRUH...I totally missed that one lol.
That aside, that's not bad for something any of the Agents can easily do. And the crates in-game are pretty big. There is ofc the concrete barriers they can also destroy too but I can't imagine them going any higher than 9-B either. But still nice for consistency.
Even more aside, I'll probably do a check up of all of the main story and agent story bits later like we did with Chapter 4 so I can compile a list of notable feats and other such statements we have to properly gauge the characters.
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Even if it doesn’t get anything higher, it’ll be good for say the fodder enemies given they can destroy these in battle and we’ve been lacking anything notable for them aside from one piercing through a door in Astra’s character teaser I believe.
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Can i post anby profile if we dont get calc evaluated before we run out of time to post profiles
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Why are we running out of time? What's happening
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IIRC we need character pages for the verse page to remain up
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Ah right, lol. What I usually do is have them put up anyway, the Calc thread is so bloated that you can't really be blamed for putting it up early, and usually if it's found, it's more likely to spur action to finally have it approved. A bit of a better to say sorry than ask for permission type situation
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Also I just noticed that Ben's weapon is literally a batterting ram how did I not notice
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Unless we just scale them down to 9-B ish, you could. The calc's Naito made look really easy to evaluate but as they said, that thread really gets bloated up and unless someone actively goes to a calc'er to check it, it's gonna stay silent on the evaluation.
That's probably what I would do for the time being if anything else.
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Worse comes to worst, I'll contact someone to get it approved. I'm also currently calcing Lighter's ult since it seems to be an explosion of sorts.
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Where's the calc? I can help for
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That said, I should do the thing I've said so I don't hold off on it. Though I REALLY would love to watch some Pro wrestling rn xD.
Gonna start things off from the beginning. The prologue of ZZZ: Business x Strangeness x Justness
Gonna start things off from the beginning. The prologue of ZZZ: Business x Strangeness x Justness
1:48: CH's are pretty agile and moveable.
2:50: (Likely) Billy kicks down a door.
3:40: (Likely limitation) Billy's guns can't break through the glass window of the building they were in, being made of reinforced bulletproof glass. He also takes a TV falling on his head in the process.
7:40: PubSec heli launches a missile that punches through and explodes on the building floor the CH and RFG were in. This sends Billy and Anby, as well as Silvers down into the Hollow below.
8:10: Anby is being Anby and does stuff, then stops her descent by driving her sword through the floor which is sharp enough to leave a sizeable gash through it.
17:05(?): While still turning into an Ethereal, Silvers takes down another.
20:10: Despite being able to one/two normal low-level Ethereals, Anby and Billy were unable to really defeat the newly turned Ethereal (Dullahan) Silvers. Said Dullahan was also getting stronger due to a rising level in Ether activity. This forces the two to consider retreating for now.
25:30: While her CH members fell into the Hollow, Nicole had miraculously survived the missile strike and got herself to reach Phaethon albeit seemingly injured and needed some first aid and rest to recover.
33:35: There are some sort of boxes you can destroy to get dennies, which are breakable during combat.
35:35: Billy can block an incoming strike from an Ethereal, albeit not directly from the blade although it's a bit hard to tell.
50:25: W-Engines are combat tools and equipment that release ultrasonic waves that resonate with Ether weapons, and those who are equipped with it have a performance increase of 44.21%.
58:05: Even as a Newborn Ethereal, Farbauti's are said to possess immense physical strength.
1:13:35: The Dullahan is referred to as a Superior Ethereal.
2:50: (Likely) Billy kicks down a door.
3:40: (Likely limitation) Billy's guns can't break through the glass window of the building they were in, being made of reinforced bulletproof glass. He also takes a TV falling on his head in the process.
7:40: PubSec heli launches a missile that punches through and explodes on the building floor the CH and RFG were in. This sends Billy and Anby, as well as Silvers down into the Hollow below.
8:10: Anby is being Anby and does stuff, then stops her descent by driving her sword through the floor which is sharp enough to leave a sizeable gash through it.
17:05(?): While still turning into an Ethereal, Silvers takes down another.
20:10: Despite being able to one/two normal low-level Ethereals, Anby and Billy were unable to really defeat the newly turned Ethereal (Dullahan) Silvers. Said Dullahan was also getting stronger due to a rising level in Ether activity. This forces the two to consider retreating for now.
25:30: While her CH members fell into the Hollow, Nicole had miraculously survived the missile strike and got herself to reach Phaethon albeit seemingly injured and needed some first aid and rest to recover.
33:35: There are some sort of boxes you can destroy to get dennies, which are breakable during combat.
35:35: Billy can block an incoming strike from an Ethereal, albeit not directly from the blade although it's a bit hard to tell.
50:25: W-Engines are combat tools and equipment that release ultrasonic waves that resonate with Ether weapons, and those who are equipped with it have a performance increase of 44.21%.
58:05: Even as a Newborn Ethereal, Farbauti's are said to possess immense physical strength.
1:13:35: The Dullahan is referred to as a Superior Ethereal.
1:26:05: The CH gang have been fighting a bunch of Ethereals for however long Phaethon was logged off. At one point, a Hati was shown amongst the Ethereals they were fighting off.
1:28:09: The CH's Ether Aptitude is high(?) enough to withstand being in a Hollow at four times the recommended amount.
1:44:45: Hollow Fissures are spatial distortions that generate inside a Hollow of new areas, creating infinite highly disorienting extensions.
1:46:40: Anby's senses alerted her just in time to defend against an attack from the Dullahan, then gets launched back from another one but still standing.
1:48:20: With the CH's altogether, they were able to defeat the empowered Dullahan.
1:28:09: The CH's Ether Aptitude is high(?) enough to withstand being in a Hollow at four times the recommended amount.
1:44:45: Hollow Fissures are spatial distortions that generate inside a Hollow of new areas, creating infinite highly disorienting extensions.
1:46:40: Anby's senses alerted her just in time to defend against an attack from the Dullahan, then gets launched back from another one but still standing.
1:48:20: With the CH's altogether, they were able to defeat the empowered Dullahan.
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question, would attribute anomalies be considered status effect inducement? every agent can inflict them depending on their attribute, and they all do have in-game effects. certain anomalies like corruption also causes enemies to take more damage, and some agents deal more damage when anomalies are triggered
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Yeah, I think we should have them as status effect inducement.
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You can update Anby profile if you have time
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Thanks for the Anomaly Effect question since I was wondering on how to apply that to Jane
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Another thing I didn't consider lol.
Yeah, sure. It IS a feature as you said that every Agent can do. Just looking at this, we have a solid idea of how each does what: Physical AA causes interruption and increased daze buildup. Ice AA freezes them and deals extra dmg when inflicting frostbite. Fire AA is straightforward as is Electric AA. And Ether AA simply increases the damage the target takes from Ether-based attacks.
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I only discovered now that sword users do not just deflect bullets but if you run straight towards a mech firing their canon you literally just slice/deflect it
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