Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

[TWILIGHT-OP]

9-A rating without calculation

 

[Naito-desu]

To be fair we have a ton of those just didn't think they wouldn't be approved in time Getting it approved then we'll be able to link the rating to the rest of the profiles

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

i just got messaged that actual calcs for 9-A needed to be added to the character profiles i posted and yet the calcs that were actually made still haven't been approved yet so i don't really know what they want

I don't know either, and it's not like it's any of our faults that no one of the calc group actually want to look at it.

I posted the calc's on the evaluation thread. Nothing.

One of you guys probably already messaged them on the calc to the calcer's a while back. Nothing.

And from what I saw just a little earlier, they got messaged again to check some more calcs. And if THAT gets nothing, idk what to even say on this.

Pretty much.

Another thing is I don't see how controversial it is when they're very likely to reach 9-A regardless if we tried enough.

Even if we had to scale down the DEB to like some whatever Wall level (9-B), I'm pretty certain you can argue it to be 9-A in its fully active form for the fact it was hit dead on by a full speeding train (a set of carts of them I believe) + an oil tanker on top of it and that's 9-A worthy from what the reference page said if it was from being slammed into a wall which the DEB I think qualifies for it (it was hit into some debris but I think even that you can argue it would be like being slammed into a wall), and it still didn't die or go down for long.

This is also after it had just got into a lengthy fight of sorts with the Cunning Hares so it wasn't exactly at its fully healthy state either I would imagine.

And this is just for Chapter 1.

Chapter 2 you have the Belobog Gang first fighting off their 3 unique rogue machines (one of which has a demolition saw meant to help break down buildings and can bust through walls by moving through them, and another uses its pilebunker ram thing to knock down walls iirc), then later they fought the Sacrifice/Corrupted that merged with all of those machines and while they couldn't defeat it outright, they were strong enough to endure fighting it off until Koleda got her dad's machine to help even the odds.

If anything, 9-B or 9-A ZZZ doesn't matter to me so much as having calcs on them that, for whatever reason beyond just being too preoccupied with life (though fairly understandable if it's school or work related but even then...) just can't be even bothered to look at.

Then again, I DID first suggest we can go ahead and do whatever so it is on me in a way if things are gonna go south for something we just don't have control or approval on beyond just doing it (shrugs).

Okay, now I have become impatient
Link to the post of our calc request evaluation on calc evaluation thread, I will replied it and angrily said this thing need to be evaluated ASAP alongside giving out rants there, this has taken too long

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

To be fair we have a ton of those just didn't think they wouldn't be approved in time Getting it approved then we'll be able to link the rating to the rest of the profiles

Hope you get them accepted soon, cuz I don't wanna handle those many profiles moving them into sandboxes either. You should ask CGM's in their msg wall.

 

[Naito-desu]

I have already but thank you. They were in sandboxes already I believe but yeah, I'll make sure to be quick and bother some folks on it some more. We should probably resubmit it under Priority 1 because this is literally the basis for the entire verse lol.

Alternatively, we keep 9-B on, linking References for Common Feats, and when the calc is approved, we can revise the profiles.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Alternatively, we keep 9-B on, linking References for Common Feats, and when the calc is approved, we can revise the profiles.

This was yet another thing I suggested before earlier but nobody really listened so...

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Hope you get them accepted soon

Like naito said, we're trying.

And like I said, nobody seems to GAF unless they're super busy or just DGAF.

Again:

I sent one of the earliest calcs to justify 9-A to the eval thread: Nothing.
ONe of these guys here tried to message them about it: Nothing.
Another one tried to message them of some other calcs just earlier today: NOTHING.

I really DK what you want from us except to just peg them down a tier, which I was perfectly alright to do if that had been the case but that wasn't it and I just rolled with it as you can tell...

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Like naito said, we're trying.

And like I said, nobody seems to GAF unless they're super busy or just DGAF.

Again:


I really DK what you want from us except to just peg them down a tier, which I was perfectly alright to do if that had been the case but that wasn't it and I just rolled with it as you can tell...

Bruh, like I said I am taking them down. Don't blame me if anyone else take them down, and i am even cleaning up yer profiles, like whoever creating them doesn't know how to add tier category, ****** same mistake in ever profile.

 

[Sooshirohl]

Bruh, like I said I am taking them down. Don't blame me if anyone else take them down, and i am even cleaning up yer profiles, like whoever creating them doesn't know how to add tier category, ****** same mistake in ever profile.

it was my first time making character profiles, everyone seemed to think they were fine to publish and i didn't think there were any glaring issues. we literally have multiple calcs ready already but nobody's bothering to check them, that isn't our fault

 

[Cimafranca133]

Those calcs aint ever getting evaluated
I literally have calcs that are at least 8 months old and still haven't been eval'd

 

[Woomica]

We are safe boys

 

[Naito-desu]

We can wait for the other calcs to get approved, we'll just need to link these to the existing profiles, can someone do that?

 

[Sooshirohl]

We are safe boys

i used to pray for times like this

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

We are safe boys

Is this calc even usable for anyone? It’s literally just a stronger variant of DEB for a gameplay challenge that no one canonically faces afaik.

 

[Woomica]

Is this calc even usable for anyone? It’s literally just a stronger variant of DEB for a gameplay challenge that no one canonically faces afaik.

No one csn even scale to something specifically made for bolded

 

[Naito-desu]

Canonically speaking, Deadly Assault uses actual data of Agents and enemy Ethereals to construct simulations of challenges, that has to count for something since it's made in a military installation so therefore can be reasonably treated as a realistic hypothetical scenario used for training and reflecting combat scenarios that the military is expected to encounter.

Plus, this is roughly transferrable to the actual Dead End Butcher anyway since they use the same attacks, same model, and same animations (with the Deadly Assault Butcher having extra attacks that weren't used in the calculation here), I just used the Deadly Assault Butcher because the tiles on the floor made the weapon size easier to measure

 

[DastardlyDangerousDracoga]

I've compiled and roughly calculated some, we're looking at Small Building level so far for Agents of the verse. Haven't done speed yet, though.

Looks like even this got an eval, too.

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

Canonically speaking, Deadly Assault uses actual data of Agents and enemy Ethereals to construct simulations of challenges, that has to count for something since it's made in a military installation so therefore can be reasonably treated as a realistic hypothetical scenario used for training and reflecting combat scenarios that the military is expected to encounter.

During the explanation on Deadly Assault, did they explain to be specifically using bosses to enemies or did they just say Ethereals while not mentioning anything specifically, the later could just mean the bosses are just there for the player rather than a in story thing.

Like Melinoe had Harumasa fight an Ethereal boss but in gameplay it was just a construction machine or the main boss of the Melinoe was a Notorious Pompey, Y’know the guy who died in a completely different Hollow, with no in story mention that it was specifically Pompey miyabi encountered.

Even if it is “canon” they use bosses enemies, I just disagree with counting these simulations for Agents as then you’d have anyone scaling to the Unknown Corruption Complex or Sacrifice Bringer just cause their in Deadly Assault.

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

Looks like even this got an eval, too.

Nice, both the DEB calcs are good to go it seems so it’s page and those who scale should be fine.

 

[Naito-desu]

Wise/Belle just casually reeling 200kg sharks

 

[Sooshirohl]

Wise/Belle just casually reeling 200kg sharks

on the topic of this event, qingyi casually just dove into water to retrieve the fish signal disruptor or whatever it was, so i guess that's something that could be added to her profile lol. she also mentions having better senses than thirens while talking with ben

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

on the topic of this event, qingyi casually just dove into water to retrieve the fish signal disruptor or whatever it was, so i guess that's something that could be added to her profile lol. she also mentions having better senses than thirens while talking with ben

She also has beaten a Notorious Thanatos and a Thracian in the event mission from what I’ve playerd thus far, so she can beat mini boss Ethereals on her own.

 

[Sooshirohl]

FINALLY got around to finishing seth's profile after putting it off for way longer than i should have (though granted i've been swamped with schoolwork cause of midterms.) that marks all of public security as done, which just leaves us with SoC, section 6 and stars of lyra.

ik someone wanted to do burnice but i don't know if they're still working on it or not. i guess if no one else wants to claim anyone for SoC i'll start working on a caesar profile

 

[Naito-desu]

Which reminds me, need to calc Section 6 as well. Soukaku's ice tornado could yield smth. Doing these for fun at these point since we have feats up the wazoo rn lol

 

[Naito-desu]

FINALLY got around to finishing seth's profile after putting it off for way longer than i should have (though granted i've been swamped with schoolwork cause of midterms.) that marks all of public security as done, which just leaves us with SoC, section 6 and stars of lyra.

I'll get the Rampant Brute calc approved so that should be Class K instead of Class 100

 

[Sooshirohl]

Which reminds me, need to calc Section 6 as well. Soukaku's ice tornado could yield smth. Doing these for fun at these point since we have feats up the wazoo rn lol

that reminds me, i was playing HZ lost void yesterday for the weekly reset and the brawlerboo bangboo just straight up makes a giant pillar of fire when it uses it's attack. i need to get some footage of it but it could be something worth calcing, though i don't really know what you'd apply it for. i guess just use it to upscale the agents or something idk lol

I'll get the Rampant Brute calc approved so that should be Class K instead of Class 100

oh alright, cool. should that not also apply to other characters as well? i could go back and update the LS for my other profiles if needed

 

[Naito-desu]

oh alright, cool. should that not also apply to other characters as well? i could go back and update the LS for my other profiles if needed

We really should tbh, if the mods don't approve I'll draft a CRT. Characters get Class M or smth similar scaling to DEB.

 

[Naito-desu]

that reminds me, i was playing HZ lost void yesterday for the weekly reset and the brawlerboo bangboo just straight up makes a giant pillar of fire when it uses it's attack. i need to get some footage of it but it could be something worth calcing, though i don't really know what you'd apply it for. i guess just use it to upscale the agents or something idk lol

There's a fire tornado calc inside here somewhere from DnD so we can just appropriate that, and ig scale that to Combat Bangboos? Which have been established to be inferior to Agents

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

We really should tbh, if the mods don't approve I'll draft a CRT. Characters get Class M or smth similar scaling to DEB.

I didn’t ask earlier, but the difference in real DEB and Notorious DEB weapons (“Axe” Vs mace) wouldn’t really affect the results of the calc?

 

[Naito-desu]

I didn’t ask earlier, but the difference in real DEB and Notorious DEB weapons (“Axe” Vs mace) wouldn’t really affect the results of the calc?

It wouldn't significantly affect it. The value is mostly derived from the speed which should stay the same regardless of variant since they used the same animation.

Regardless, I will do another calculation just to recheck and come up with a more accurate result