Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

i think both are fair to be considered. like for example, characters like ellen in game are shown able to react to and deflect gunfire, which is something she's also been shown to do in cutscenes, and characters like grace are also seen dodging machine gun fire both in game and in cutscenes. for the most part gameplay of characters seems pretty consistent with what they're capable of in lore/cutscenes, and i think casual bullet dodging + the ability to break stuff like small walls and crates serves as a baseline. then you can use more impressive feats from lore/cutscenes to go from there

I've listed those off before earlier in this thread, I know. Although I would think there can be potential outliers like Nekomata not reacting to a tranq dart fired past her, in those situations I can presume one can think she was just surprised at the act being done (the context being she had a hostage to hold up, yet the hostage being shot at is what made her shocked) but idk.

That said, it wouldn't at all be surprising if everyone can deflect and/or react to bullets if the intent is there and so far, it's made pretty clear at least with Soldier 11 deflecting bullets in her gameplay, Agent story and character animation teaser, Anby was implied to be her superior or at least at least someone she trained alongside with, the Grace thing you mentioned and while this isn't quite to the extent, we do see Qingyu deflect crossbow bolts during 2.5 story and I THINK she also deflects bullets too in gameplay so i imagine she has just as much the reflexes to do the same to bullets.

Adding the machine things Naito mentioned and the ZZZ cast is pretty solid for 9-A and supersonic by the looks of it, and we can still be looking for better and higher feats down the line...maybe ^^;

 

[Naito-desu]

Ellen Joe's feat is probably the most impressive given she could slice a missile and also move against them dodging and weaving. Solid Supersonic feat. I haven't been able to check the lasers that the soldiers use so we'll have to settle for characters being Supersonic more or less.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I haven't been able to check the lasers that the soldiers use so we'll have to settle for characters being Supersonic more or less.

They make note and mention of lasers being a thing. The Unknown Corruption Complex's in game info states it assimilates everything like military tech, laser weapons, and short-range missiles among the things it can absorb and use at weapons. The Heavy Gunner guys also have such weapons too, equipped with a machine gun, an RPG, and a laser weapon.

Though direct feats wise we see here and there on screen as it happens, we've only seen several Agents across factions and chapters reacting to bullets and some having that effect shown in gameplay by just deflecting them. Though in game, you CAN dodge lasers by the cue of those golden/red lights that sparkle up before the attack launches.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Guys, I think the Agents might all scale to each other:

 

[Naito-desu]

Where's the timestamp and what's the reasoning, I'm curious

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Where's the timestamp and what's the reasoning, I'm curious

Don't know the timestamp, but there's a moment where Sector 6, the Cunning Hares, and the Sons of Calydon are all together facing an Etherial.

 

[Naito-desu]

Dang, PubSec gets left out like usual

 

[Sooshirohl]

Guys, I think the Agents might all scale to each other:

to be fair, i'd argue that most of them were all pretty relative to each other anyways. it's safe to assume section 6 is above the other factions in terms of strength but every other faction seems pretty relative for the most part seeing as how they can all take on hulked out ethereals at the end of their respective chapters (excluding pubsec). every agent also has pretty consistent showings of being bullet timers so there's that too

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Well, well, well.

And here, I thought nobody gave a SHIT about this game man!!!

Real talk, glad that people actually are so that it wasn't a waste to make this thread owo.

Don't know the timestamp, but there's a moment where Sector 6, the Cunning Hares, and the Sons of Calydon are all together facing an Etherial.

It's around 1:50 mark give or take.

It shows various factions other than Section 6 like Belobog Industries, Victoria Housekeeping, and the aforementioned SoC.

Though I don't see CH's anywhere and it doesn't look like SoC and Sec6 were in the same fight, but the trailer DOES show said factions I said involved.

Anyways going off of this, it seems like the situation this time around has gotten that much serious to involve so many people we met (at least at the time of this upcoming patch) so I'm excited to see what they'll bring OWO

 

[Naito-desu]

I'm just too busy to calc the rest of the game I want to get around to making profiles but I'm nowhere near studious on the lore to make a good basis for it as well as the verse

 

[Sooshirohl]

Well, well, well.

And here, I thought nobody gave a SHIT about this game man!!!

Real talk, glad that people actually are so that it wasn't a waste to make this thread owo.


It's around 1:50 mark give or take.

It shows various factions other than Section 6 like Belobog Industries, Victoria Housekeeping, and the aforementioned SoC.

Though I don't see CH's anywhere and it doesn't look like SoC and Sec6 were in the same fight, but the trailer DOES show said factions I said involved.

Anyways going off of this, it seems like the situation this time around has gotten that much serious to involve so many people we met (at least at the time of this upcoming patch) so I'm excited to see what they'll bring OWO

on a side note, i absolutely love all the QoL stuff they're adding, 1.4 really feels almost like a rerelease of the game of sorts and you can really tell the devs put a lot of care and passion into the game. i couldn't get into genshin or HSR personally but i'm really glad i've stuck with ZZZ

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Alright, I found it.

On the 1.4 teaser Jimmy posted, it was a few seconds off where I saw it that shows a VERY quick moment of the Cunning Hares, SoC, and Section 6 fighting a new Ethereal. The timestamp is at 1:47 but you have to pause it just right/slow the vid down to see them.

Only reason I just saw this was cuz of a reddit post I just saw on ZZZ for xD

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Game Awards trailer for ZZZ.

Already we got a couple new characters we'll get for playable for next year owo

 

[Naito-desu]

Darn I'm already scrambling to save for Miyabi after pulling Lighter and Yanagi, now I gotta save for this singer and her bodyguard. Hope they pad out the next few patches with characters I don't want

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I give up on Lighter the same way I gave up on Jane Doe, Zhu Yuan, and Burnice

My only hope is getting Miyabi for full Ice team (I didn't try enough to get Ellen Joe either earlier in her rate up banner ) but if I don't get Miyabi somehow, gotta get Astra and her assumed bodyguard (leaks seem to suggest her name is Evelyn) for 1.5 lol.

NGL, I WAS expecting that Vtuber idol group to be next but the game seemingly have been teasing Astra Yao's appearance for some time. Just didn't think she'd be a playable this soon lol.

 

[Naito-desu]

Lighter was hard-fought tbf and the story/music video convinced me to take a dive and pull him and farmed til hard pity. Will keep my eyes glued on the drip marketing

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

The waterworks work that Hoyoverse be putting in like they do with their other Hoyo works.



Astra Yao's drip market. Ether-type, Support role unit.

 

[Sooshirohl]

The waterworks work that Hoyoverse be putting in like they do with their other Hoyo works.



Astra Yao's drip market. Ether-type, Support role unit.

wow that miyabi short film was absolutely incredible. so glad this game has the higher age rating, it just feels like so much more can be told with less restrictions on graphic content

W that we're finally getting another ether unit, although i partially hoped she'd fit a role we don't have yet. i doubt she's gonna be a complete replacement for nicole, i think she'll probably have her own niches to differentiate her. maybe her support is leaned more towards anomalies?

 

[Naito-desu]

Astra Yao's drip market. Ether-type, Support role unit.

Fuuuuuuck, I'm doomed. Even if I get Miyabi I def won't be able to get her Well, at least there's something to look forward if I don't get Miyabi

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I was quite surprised they decided to really go a bit more up the anty on gory stuff lol.

NGL I wasn't expecting to know about Miyabi's mother nor see her this soon. Then again her banner is coming up real soon so I guess they did that the same way they did Yanagi's. It's also good to see how her mother really died, which this way means she's on the path to find who was responsible for causing Hollow Zero (which in turn was what led to her mother having to her mercy kill her). People are already speculating this is what will have Phaeton siblings and Miyabi be at odds given the siblings mother-figure mentor is blamed for the fall of Old Eridu.

And lol, a surprise for sure but a welcoming one I suppose. If I don't get Miyabi, I'll just consider getting Astra then. I just wonder what her niche will be given she'll be another Ether support but S rank. I would have expected it to be anomaly just so the meme can keep on rolling lol, but seems even Hoyo knows when to quit it lol.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

So when we will publishing the profiles?

 

[Sooshirohl]

So when we will publishing the profiles?

i really wish i could help out with calcs but i'm not great at them unfortunately

although from some of the calcs people have already provided the building ranges for the verse as of right now seems pretty consistent. speed wise the verse is also pretty consistent when it comes to bullet timing so supersonic ranges also seems pretty good for the verse as well

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

And now we got Astra's bodyguard AND manager, Evelyn. S-rank Agent as well, fire-element attack type unit.

 

[Naito-desu]

I suddenly don't want Miyabi anymore even though she might be a meta-defining unit. Not sure which to prioritize but I think I'll stick to fighting for Miyabi and then trying my luck with Evelyn. Astra Yao seems impossible to obtain regardless so I think going for Miyabi is the way to go

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

So when we will publishing the profiles?

After 1.4 drops.

Calcs or not, I think we've gone just quite long enough since the game dropped to start considering doing some profile working.

It helps with 1.4 trailer showing us that everyone is gonna get involved in that story patch's major event so can now get a general scaling work of the characters to run off on.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Cimafranca133/zzz

vsbattles.fandom.com

Just remembered Cimafranca made this.

DK what they've been doing but this is clearly far from finished and clearly in need of an update.

If they aren't around to do this anymore, I'll go ahead and make my own to prepare plus images to use for the cast.

Kinda not sure on having the Phaeton sibling team on here since they clearly lack combat skills, and I believe there's a point or two made where they have lower ether aptitude than the average Eriduian (forgot where) and their only point is just being really good and famed hackers.

That aside, the base itself looks good to make for the cast later plus add some more like the Ethereal bosses and such.

 

[Naito-desu]

Kinda not sure on having the Phaeton sibling team on here since they clearly lack combat skills, and I believe there's a point or two made where they have lower ether aptitude than the average Eriduian (forgot where) and their only point is just being really good and famed hackers.

There are supportive characters in other verses that can be added as equipment and whatnot, which may be relevant if a battle takes place in a hollow plus there are other characters who aren't that great of a fighter on this place too tbf

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Kinda not sure on having the Phaeton sibling team on here since they clearly lack combat skills, and I believe there's a point or two made where they have lower ether aptitude than the average Eriduian (forgot where) and their only point is just being really good and famed hackers.

I remember that was mentioned during that one mini-chapter where Belle gets stranded in a Hollow, and again at the start of Chapter 4 before meeting the Sons of Calydon. Also FWIW, it wouldn't be the first time this site added characters with no combat experiance: we would likely have to make a note of it, though.

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

Kinda not sure on having the Phaeton sibling team on here since they clearly lack combat skills, and I believe there's a point or two made where they have lower ether aptitude than the average Eriduian (forgot where) and their only point is just being really good and famed hackers.

Soldier 11 story seemed to have them as Eous beat a rebel soldier that attempted to stop them from escaping.

It ain’t clear given Tv Mode, but they clash with and beat the enemy that got in their way, wise/belle even comment they aren’t pushovers.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Well in any case, yeah I can work on a more updated ZZZ verse page draft if Cima isn't around to do it anymore.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Hoshimi Miyabi's character animation teaser.

 

[Sooshirohl]

just finished the chapter 5 story. what a ride that was, i don't know how ZZZ keeps managing to outdo themselves but that story was absolutely fantastic. it really feels like the culmination of everything the last chapters have been setting up and it feels like a great conclusion to this saga of the story while also giving us insights of what's to come.

MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE CHAPTER 5 STORY :

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i loved the car chase scene with piper and the cunning hares, really feels like the animators had a lot of fun with it thanks to how expressive it was

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zhu yuan and qingyi finally discovering our roles as proxies was great too. it was pretty obvious qingyi knew, but zhu yuan learning the truth and feeling conflicted was great. really love the dynamic between her and the proxies. the scene where pubsec was about to break into the HDD room was way tenser than it should've been, too.

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i really love how well every faction was utilized. everyone felt like they had a purpose in the overarching stort, and i wouldn't say there were any instances where anyone felt shoehorned in. the cunning hares setting up the entire plan thanks to nicole's connections, belobog having the evidence for bringer, lycaon having ties to miyabi's father and even the sons of calydon playing their own roles with transportation

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the final boss fight was sick, and miyabi got some amazing moments. and most importantly, more lore drops. wise and belle tanking a point blank explosion completely unharmed?? something's definitely up with them and i cannot wait to see what it is. also astra and evelyn cameos at the end of the chapter, really nice stuff

overall it's easily my favorite chapter of the game thus far. and scaling wise, there were some really solid feats, especially for miyabi (obviously.) stayed up playing through the story so i'm gonna sleep but when i get the chance i'll go through cutscenes/comics and compile all the notable feats from the chapter

 

[Naito-desu]

Kinda not sure on having the Phaeton sibling team on here since they clearly lack combat skills, and I believe there's a point or two made where they have lower ether aptitude than the average Eriduian (forgot where) and their only point is just being really good and famed hackers.

Spoiler: CHAPTER 4 SPOILERS

LMAO this may have aged badly with the aftercredits cutscene

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

Just completed the story

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NGL, I’m sorta mixed on the fact Miyabi’s Void Hunter strength being not at all from Tailless given the hype on the sword, I admittedly was more expecting that she was drawing an amount of power she can currently control from it and that’d she unlock its full power later.

Guess they wanted to make it clear to fans that their first Void Hunter will definitely receive a huge buff in the story later.

 

[Sooshirohl]

Spoiler: CHAPTER 4 SPOILERS

LMAO this may have aged badly with the aftercredits cutscene

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yeah definitely lmao. though to be fair wise/belle also showed really great

Just completed the story

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NGL, I’m sorta mixed on the fact Miyabi’s Void Hunter strength being not at all from Tailless given the hype on the sword, I admittedly was more expecting that she was drawing an amount of power she can currently control from it and that’d she unlock its full power later.

Guess they wanted to make it clear to fans that their first Void Hunter will definitely receive a huge buff in the story later.

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i mean, i personally liked the fact that they acknowledged her strength rather than the sword. makes her that much more impressive considering how well she's able to wield it. a "man makes the machine" rather than a "machine making the man" scenario if that makes sense

 

[Naito-desu]

I mean Miyabi's whole deal ig is basically the "I'm nothing without the suit" discourse at home

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

Spoiler

As I said, I was expecting them to confirm she’ll receive a power up in the future and it’s not like I think it’s crazy for her to be that strong without it given there are other Void Hunters around, most of whom I’m assuming won’t have a connection to some legendary weapon so overall not notably bothered by it.

Wonder when we’ll even see or at least learn the name of another VH, I feel one would think we’d get something like how one of them looks or personality from one the NPCs in the places we have access to.

 

[Naito-desu]

There's a whole lot of rich stuff for me to calc so I'll start reviewing cutscenes. Yall give me your list of notable feats in case I might miss any!

 

[Woomica]

There's a whole lot of rich stuff for me to calc so I'll start reviewing cutscenes. Yall give me your list of notable feats in case I might miss any!

recently played zzz so i think this can work as speed feat

 

[GarrixianXD]

recently played zzz so i think this can work as speed feat

I doubt anyone is going to spent 10 hours calculating and pixel scaling that