Zamasu New Ability.

[Gokuiscool144]

Well this was bound to happen eventually.

When Zamasu died his non physical started to spread out throughout future earth, and then we saw it spreading out in space. Beerus states "Future Zamasu is affecting this timeline" and we also see Future Zamasu in the presant timeline. Is this any kind of hax and low 2-C?

Also Zeno's speed.

Zeno was stated to have blown up the entire future timeline. Every universe that was in it. And then he was shown to show up in the presant timeline.

Edit: Zeno was the only one in the future timeline, Goku and co left before he blew it up

Edit: Forget the Zeno part lol. He was just floating in a void of nothingness (which was his fault) and Goku and Trunks picked him up.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Good lord wait until subs come out please since some things were very confusing...

 

[RadicalMrR]

All I know is there was the mother of all nukes.

 

[Gokuiscool144]

@radical. The nuke of the streams

 

[Mister_Death]

I remember( i think) Zeno had his durability at like...universe or multi galaxy or something (at least)


Well, so much for that after this episode

 

[Aeyu]

There's now 2 Zen-Ohs as well. Future and Present, both 2-C.

 

[Gokuiscool144]

Good lord wait until subs come out please since some things were very confusing...

Well the subs are out. Concerning what happened around Zamasu.

Gowasu stated Zamasu's non physical body has started to corrupt the ENTIRE UNIVERSE, overtime he is going to become the universe itself, with his presence already affecting different timelines according to Beerus.

Beerus "Zamasu is affecting this timeline as well"

Gowasu "Zamasu is becoming the universe itself, becoming the new law and order"

Zeno: "A world like this cannot exist" *proceeds to destroy everything*

In a coversation over the dinner table, it was stated Future Trunks' timeline is complelty erased because of Zeno. All universes became nothingness.

Over Zenos speed. For one he came instantly. (Downplayed this would be teleportation). Future Zeno was then about to leave but Goku insisted that Zeno join him.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That wouldn't be downplaying. That was very clearly teleportation.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

That wouldn't be downplaying. That was very clearly teleportation.

well we should add teloport to his profiel

 

[Gokuiscool144]

That wouldn't be downplaying. That was very clearly teleportation.

Alright.. what about the rest?

 

[Scot_Rosenfeld2]

so basicly fusion zamasu is very op and probably around level 2 in rank

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Would becoming the Universe be tier 2? Im pretty sure that doenst neccesarily mean Future Zamasu is becoming the time-space of the universe itself. If he's just becoming the universe that might still be Tier 3 just a REALLY high part of tier 3

In addition, him corrupting the universe overtime seems no different then what Omega Shenron was doing with his minus power so I dont know where this stands atm

 

[RadicalMrR]

Becoming the universe is low 2-C but from I saw he might qualify for just 2-C.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Would becoming the Universe be tier 2? Im pretty sure that doenst neccesarily mean Future Zamasu is becoming the time-space of the universe itself. If he's just becoming the universe that might still be Tier 3 just a REALLY high part of tier 3

well as far as I know a version of neo is tier 2 for becoming a universe so why not zumas?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It might be tier 2, but if it's not, it would be presumptuous to call it the really high part of tier 3 when PC Supes, Amitabha, and Marble Alien exist (weakest of them is in the hundreds to thousands of times universal. Other two laugh at trillions of times universal.), and even then, 3-A expands to infinity.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

IIRC for Neo he was either born as the universe or instantly became it and became a part of space-time. Is Zamasu becoming one with the space-time of the universe or just its physical matter like planets, solar systems, stars, galaxies, etc. And is he turning into the Universe like quickly or slowly?

Plus I always thought that characters who become just a universe would still be tier 3 since they're just one with everything on a 3-D scale.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Zamasu was also affecting other timelines.

 

[Gokuiscool144]

IIRC for Neo he was either born as the universe or instantly became it and became a part of space-time. Is Zamasu becoming one with the space-time of the universe or just its physical matter like planets, solar systems, stars, galaxies, etc. And is he turning into the Universe like quickly or slowly?
Plus I always thought that characters who become just a universe would still be tier 3 since they're just one with everything on a 3-D scale.

Considering he was corrupting another timeline as well. I would presume it was with time and space

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Right but to what extent? And what timeframe too? If he's doing it at a fast rate then it might be 2-C or Low 2-C but if it's slow then wouldnt it be treated the same as Omega affecting the universe with Minus power only with better range?

Also I think that when they said Zamasu is affecting other timelines it means he's only affecting the future via the laws of time, not his actual power. Like him becoming the universe in the present of that timeline would surely effect the future (I think?). Im not sure

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

My main question is if this counts as 4-D omnipresence or 3-D, considering he had to spread himself first.

 

[Gokuiscool144]

Eh. Can someone add time travel to Whis' profile? He said "I will go to that timeline" (Without the help of Supreme Kai).

Also, Whis would get a upgrade here as he also stated he could have finished Zamasu off as well. This is based off Whis feeling Zamasu's power in the original timeline. Goku asked why they didn't do it in the first place and Beerus replied "Dont rely on gods to fix your problems"

 

[RadicalMrR]

He did it nearly instantly.

 

[Gokuiscool144]

Right but to what extent? And what timeframe too? If he's doing it at a fast rate then it might be 2-C or Low 2-C but if it's slow then wouldnt it be treated the same as Omega affecting the universe with Minus power only with better range?
Also I think that when they said Zamasu is affecting other timelines it means he's only affecting the future via the laws of time, not his actual power. Like him becoming the universe in the present of that timeline would surely effect the future (I think?). Im not sure

Eh. in the episode it happened nearly instantly in about 10 seconds.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Right but to what extent? And what timeframe too? If he's doing it at a fast rate then it might be 2-C or Low 2-C but if it's slow then wouldnt it be treated the same as Omega affecting the universe with Minus power only with better range?

Also I think that when they said Zamasu is affecting other timelines it means he's only affecting the future via the laws of time, not his actual power. Like him becoming the universe in the present of that timeline would surely effect the future (I think?). Im not sure

if we assume the timelines run parallel to each otherand the fact he wasn't like the way he was for very long it was a very short time frame of minutes at the most and seconds or less at the least.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

My main question is if this counts as 4-D omnipresence or 3-D, considering he had to spread himself first.

I think 4D since he was affecting other timelines

 

[Gokuiscool144]

Then zeno "Lol, no"

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I can get behind that.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

if we assume the timelines run parallel to each otherand the fact he wasn't like the way he was for very long it was a very short time frame of minutes at the most and seconds or less at the least.

Kk but I'd still like to know to what extent this would be. And if him effecting the timelines is either the same as or different from Omega Shenron only with better range

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I can get behind that.

Man I didn't think we'd ever get a canon teir 2 character other than zeno

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@A4L. It would be like Shin Budokai Janemba, but on a lesser scale.

@Darkmon. I'm legitimately surprised also.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Kk but I'd still like to know to what extent this would be. And if him effecting the timelines is either the same as or different from Omega Shenron only with better range

omega had no timeframe so it couldn't be used this does have a timeframe of minutes at most to seconds at least.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Right but Im still wondering about him effecting the timelines. Is that with his power or is it just the laws of time doing it? U know, like when u do something in the present and then it effects the future.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Also @Cal Maybe his Omnipresence will be something like Shin Budokai Janempa's only lesser and whatever Janempa's is might help u decide which level of Omnipresence Zamasu has

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Right but Im still wondering about him effecting the timelines. Is that with his power or is it just the laws of time doing it? U know, like when u do something in the present and then it effects the future.

dragon ball doesn't operate on those rules when you change something it just makes a new timelines unless you're using a time ring but that's a whole different thing.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

dragon ball doesn't operate on those rules when you change something it just makes a new timelines unless you're using a time ring but that's a whole different thing.

Pretty sure that was what I was refering to. When you do something in the present that changes the future it makes another timeline where one instance happened instead of not happening

What im asking is if Zamasu effecting the other timelines is either a result of his power or a result of time being affected like how it always happens during time travel instances in a show.

 

[Gokuiscool144]

dragon ball doesn't operate on those rules when you change something it just makes a new timelines unless you're using a time ring but that's a whole different thing.

Pretty sure that was what I was refering to. When you do something in the present that changes the future it makes another timeline where one instance happened instead of not happening
What im asking is if Zamasu effecting the other timelines is either a result of his power or a result of time being affected like how it always happens during time travel instances in a show.

I believe it was his power. Beerus stated he could feel Zamasus ki in the original timeline

Edit: I meant Whis

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Pretty sure that was what I was refering to. When you do something in the present that changes the future it makes another timeline where one instance happened instead of not happening

What im asking is if Zamasu effecting the other timelines is either a result of his power or a result of time being affected like how it always happens during time travel instances in a show.

well like I said in dragon ball when you change time it doesn't affect pre-existing timelines it just makes new ones beerus and wiss were in a past timeline so its not the rules of time.

 

[MeleeniumRXJ]

dragon ball doesn't operate on those rules when you change something it just makes a new timelines unless you're using a time ring but that's a whole different thing.

Pretty sure that was what I was refering to. When you do something in the present that changes the future it makes another timeline where one instance happened instead of not happening
What im asking is if Zamasu effecting the other timelines is either a result of his power or a result of time being affected like how it always happens during time travel instances in a show.

Nothing in Dragon Ball indicates that doing something in the future affects the past. That's not even a typical thing in other fictions.