I mean, considering the fact that Yveltal would be seeing a bunch of things around it starting to vanish, it wouldn't be farfetched to say he'd try avoiding it with Phantom Force and then wanting to make sure that doesn't come up again.
Yveltal would win. I don't get why Beerus wins here. His death manipulation doesn't take too long to kick in, it would instantly kill beerus and has a longer range. And like kukui said, phantom force
whats the range?
Beerus wins here because he just has to lift his hand and say a 2 syllable word, then Yveltal gets EEed.
Which would give Yveltal enough time to phantom force away while being able to death hax from a distance.
Hakai is treated as a lock on move and/or a general area of affect as shown in the Sidra clip. As long as Beerus' hand is in the general direction of Yveltal then he gets hakaied. Beerus is shown to be incredibly precise with his EE as well, so it's not like he'll be wildly causing things to vanish. Yveltal also has no idea how strong Beerus is, so what's to assume Yveltal would strategically flee and death hax beerus from a distance?
Scan for hakai? And Yveltal wouldnt need to know how strong beerus is
This vote puts us at Grace anyways.
Here. Yveltal would absolutely need an idea of how strong beerus is if we were to believe that Yveltal would just strategically try to teleport away and hax from a distance.
You think Yveltal would just stand there and get hit by Hakai? And what is Beerus' range for hakai? He sometimes doesnt start off with it when bloodlusted
Yveltal would attempt to attack first thing, not strategically teleport away to avoid hakai as if Yveltal had prep time. Beerus has at least tens of kilometers for scaling to Sidra. Beerus can sense killing intent and absolutely doesn't hesitate to hakai, especially if he were bloodlusted. Beerus even casually hakaied a random ghost dude for speaking to him in a rude tone, so there's no reason to assume he wouldn't hakai off the bat here.
How fast is the actual life absorption though? Beerus could already be in the process of uttering the word before the life absorption even begins to take a noticeable toll.
NLF. This point assumes Yveltal would phantom force away straight into a linear path when that makes no sense.
He wouldn’t need to. Yveltal would teleport away by virtue of seeing the area around them vanish.
My lock on comment was responding to your quote saying "seeing a bunch of things around it start to vanish"
If Beerus gets hakai off, it wouldn't be things around Yveltal vanishing, it would be Yveltal themselves vanishing lol.
GoD's cant be sensed by beings not on their level.
Yveltal's multiple methods of death hax all revolve around an action that's reasonably slower than Beerus lifting up his hand, followed by life absorption that has an unknown timeframe of full effect.
Which doesn't make sense if its an AoE Hakai. IF Beerus will hakai the surrounding area, then this would be the case.
See above. Its either Beerus uses a localized hakai or a AoE one.
Pretty sure this about people who are less than "Gods", not actual power. According to Beerus's page anyway:
Besides Oblivion Wing, no they aren't. Raising wings is the same as lifting a hand, and in every media where we see Yveltal's death hax in action, its considerably quick. Along with the fact that Xerneas has been forced to act in order to counter the death hax, which also suggests its very quick. Even Yveltal's dex entry suggests this:
| It happened around 800 years ago. The Pokémon known as Yveltal spread its ominous wings, engulfing the lands of Kalos in darkness. At that moment, people and Pokémon throughout the land began to fall one by one. Yveltal let out a piercing cry and took to the sky, vanishing to an unknown location. |
All Yveltal needs to do is stand there and he already passively uses deathhax, beerus would lose
Either way Yveltal would be getting EE'd. Beerus wouldn't just miss hakai and have the environment around him EE'd, as Beerus is shown to have high accuracy and control with his hakai. Hell, in the most recent chapter of the manga he Hakaied a huge chunk of Vegeta's armor just for show. There's no reason to assume beerus would just miss and cause random shit around him to vanish and treat it like a blast of energy which it clearly is not.
When I said level I wasn't referring to strength. Regardless, Yveltal has no indication that he'd bypass Beerus' resistance.
"Fall one by one" just makes it even more vague. "At that moment" only shows that it's within a reasonable timeframe and since "At that moment" is followed by "one by one" it doesn't really prove that it's instant. Which dex entry is this from anyways? I can't seem to find this anywhere.
What's the range of the passive?
This isn't about him aimlessly hitting and missing with the hakai, this is about Yveltal getting out of its range when (and if) Beerus goes with the AoE Hakai. His control over it doesn't matter when up against what's teleportation as a counter against it.
Besides being a death god? Cause that's essentially what he and Xerneas are. Being considered a deity in any form or fashion is enough to get by the "cannot be sensed by beings lower than gods" rule.
Im failing to see how this means its vague when the very text specifies its taking effect at that moment. The only thing not happening instantly is everyone in Kalos not falling from it. But what is happening is that people are getting instantly effected by it in general, which is what the point here is.
It's from the X/Y games. Someone in Anistar City says this.
Well as shown in the scan, being in close proximiy to them. Its not that useful, but would be sufficient if Yveltal can get close to Beerus (who would have no way of knowing he'd lose his life by being close to Yveltal).
The only time teleportation is ever coming into play is assuming that Beerus just completely misses Yveltal and EE's something else. If Beerus went with the AoE, Yveltal would be getting EEed along with it's surrondings.
Are all legendaries treated as divinity though? This doesn't matter regardless since ES isn't even on their profiles and the entire ES argument was brought up on an assumption to begin with.
"At that moment people began to drop one by one." This does present the possibility, but I'm not sure this definitely proves that it's instant.
Is this a person of significant notice, or just some random civilian saying this? Forgive me, it's been years since I played gen 6.
Hm, okay.
Again, your assuming Yveltal wouldn't be teleporting out of the Hakai's range with Phantom Force when there really isn't any reason why he couldn't.
For most mascot legendaries id say so. Not like Yveltal and Xerneas are your typical Raikou or Moltres. They're legendaries who have specific roles in upholding their part of The Pokemon World as the ones who have dominion over life and death.
Maybe, but the fact that people and Pokemon did immediately begin to fall would mean some out of the bunch are getting immediately death haxxed. Plus as I said before, Yveltal's death hax in the media we've seen it performed in has worked immediately as well, so it being instant or extremely quick death hax should be warranted.
That I don't 100% recall. But I do recall him giving insightful info on both Yveltal and Xerneas which comes from Kalos lore.
I lean more for incon myself than Yveltal winning. I just disagree with Beerus winning as I believe Yveltal has enough in its favor to make this match a draw.
