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Yuta Fights The Hero of Hell Rematch (0-2-0)

Pochers wins if he lands a hit and rips Yuta apart, and the AP difference + Regen + Resurrection makes ot incredibly difficult for Yuta to do anything. Even if he keeps Pochita busy and kills him constantly, he will run out of CE in the end and get chainsaw'd.

Voting Pochita
 
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Reposting comment.

Starting off, the AP notably isn’t in Yuta’s favor, but that really isn’t much of an issue. Yuta’s surging CE reduces all damage to its minimum, and RCT should be more than enough to deal with any grievous injuries sustained. As far as I’ve seen on the profiles, Devils have fairly mediocre ESP/Enhanced Senses, which is where the real wincons begin. Rika, by all intents and purposes, should be completely invisible to Denji, meaning not only is this no longer a 1v1, but a 2v1 against an opponent that doesn’t register on the visible spectrum of light, nor sound. As far as I know, unless he eats you, he doesn’t seem to have any form of NPI, meaning he can’t even effectively damage Partial Rika, much less Full Manifestation.

His regeneration is really not an issue, we know that when Yuta is genuinely aiming to kill someone, he aims for the head, shown with Geto and Kenjaku, which Denji cannot regenerate from. But the real battle doesn’t come from Yuta & Partial Rika, once Yuta brings out Rika’s Full Manifestation, the fight is essentially as good as over. Sky Manipulation completely negates any and all AP advantages, with indefensible attacks that cannot be guarded. One could argue Cursed Speech is ineffective, but this isn’t the case, as Yuta’s consistent first move with it is usually “Don’t Move”, a simple command that shouldn’t really pose any drawbacks to Yuta. If you don’t believe me, Inumaki gets off “Don’t Move” and “Stop” twice on Hanami, and that’s before reaching his limit, meaning Yuta should be able to utilize this and pummel Denji to death, or cut his head off. Dhruv’s shikigami just add in another layer of invisible, undodgable attacks.

No need to explain, but a Domain Expansion just ends the fight. 120% Yuta + Rika just utterly destroy this guy. I’m taking Yuta, mid-diff.
 
Pochita is practically invulnerable to Yuta, he arguably stomps. Yuta has way lower AP and no way to bypass his regeneration. Not only that, Pochita one-shots and has immensely greater LS.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Starting off, the AP notably isn’t in Yuta’s favor, but that really isn’t much of an issue. Yuta’s surging CE reduces all damage to its minimum, and RCT should be more than enough to deal with any grievous injuries sustained.
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Pochita upscales to 52.9 kilotons, while Yuta upscales from 1.72 kilotons, which is already contentious as the calc itself has been debunked and needs to be recalculated. This means that currently, they would upscale from the feat of being able to power an entire nation with their CE, which is roughly 1.32 kilotons. This results in an AP difference of about 40x, which is far beyond the 8x difference needed to one-shot in versus matchups. We were shown that Yuta's surging CE reduces all damage against Yuji, and this won't be a problem for Pochita as his chainsaws can casually rip through his own body, meaning that his piercing damage would be > 52.9 kilotons to compensate for the damage reduction.
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
As far as I’ve seen on the profiles, Devils have fairly mediocre ESP/Enhanced Senses, which is where the real wincons begin. Rika, by all intents and purposes, should be completely invisible to Denji, meaning not only is this no longer a 1v1, but a 2v1 against an opponent that doesn’t register on the visible spectrum of light, nor sound. As far as I know, unless he eats you, he doesn’t seem to have any form of NPI, meaning he can’t even effectively damage Partial Rika, much less Full Manifestation.
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Pochita doesn't have eyes to see; he uses his enhanced senses to notice opponents from great distances, tiny whispers, and anyone spying on him from a distance without even looking at them. Additionally, he can sense Rika's scent and presence, despite her being invisible, so this wouldn't be an issue for Pochita at all. I can also argue that he has NPI, as a standard hybrid was able to slice the limbs of the Ghost Devil, despite it being intangible. Concept-wise, katanas have nothing correlating to NPI, so I believe it could possibly be an ability that all hybrids possess, including Pochita, since he is an upgraded version of Chainsaw Man Denji. So, regardless, Pochita would be able to harm Rika. (Also, I thought only Low-Grade Curses have intangibility regardless).
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
His regeneration is really not an issue, we know that when Yuta is genuinely aiming to kill someone, he aims for the head, shown with Geto and Kenjaku, which Denji cannot regenerate from.
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Not true at all. Pochita is able to regenerate an entirely new body without any difficulty, including the fact that Chainsaw Man Denji whom Pochita is superior to can also regenerate his head regardless of decapitation. This is not a win con for Yuta.
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
But the real battle doesn’t come from Yuta & Partial Rika, once Yuta brings out Rika’s Full Manifestation, the fight is essentially as good as over. Sky Manipulation completely negates any and all AP advantages, with indefensible attacks that cannot be guarded.
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The best Sky Manipulation can do is knock Pochita around, which would be a challenge for Yuta considering that Pochita has far higher mobility to maneuver his way through attacks like these. Plus, since Sky Manipulation requires Yuta to grip the sky, it will make it much easier for Pochita to react to.
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
One could argue Cursed Speech is ineffective, but this isn’t the case, as Yuta’s consistent first move with it is usually “Don’t Move”, a simple command that shouldn’t really pose any drawbacks to Yuta. If you don’t believe me, Inumaki gets off “Don’t Move” and “Stop” twice on Hanami, and that’s before reaching his limit, meaning Yuta should be able to utilize this and pummel Denji to death, or cut his head off.
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Sure, it will paralyze him for a quick minute, but it won't make a difference if he is unable to do any damage. Remember that the AP difference is 40x so Yuta's best bet is his domain expansion which will enhance his AP to 120%
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
No need to explain, but a Domain Expansion just ends the fight. 120% Yuta + Rika just utterly destroy this guy. I’m taking Yuta, mid-diff.
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And yet again, his 120% in his Domain Expansion would only be 1.58 kilotons of TNT, making the AP difference a 33x difference. Pochita is still too durable for any attack that Yuta has and can still casually one-shot him.

This includes the fact that Pochita doesn't even know who he's going against, which will lead him to be as versatile as possible. This can range from lifting a massive amount of ground to make Yuta lose his footing or throwing that ground at him to make him drop his guard for a surprise attack. He can also use his chains to slingshot himself for a speed advantage, including utilizing them to grapple and swing through buildings, which would make him a tough opponent to land a hit on. If Yuta tries to attack him from behind, he can easily restrain him using his organ scarf or his chains and his superior lifting strength, including Rika. Pochita also always aims for the head when going for a kill, which means no RCT.

If anything happens, he can always resurrect with no drawbacks and regenerate from anything Yuta has to throw at him, assuming Yuta even has anything that can harm him in the first place. I'm not even sure if Yuta has any win cons, which would make this a stomp match. If there are otherwise, lmk. As of now, this is a no-diff.

Also he can just restrain him and erase him from existence.
 
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Pochita doesn't have physiology relative to that of a cursed spirit. His body is made up of pure chainsaw and metal with regular Devil biology. Jacob's Ladder is as good as useless, including the fact that Pochita uses no supernatural ability to equalize into a CT. Even if it worked, Pochita would resurrect and continue to fight.

Shinjuku key is also currently in use
 
Can Yuta even reasonably win here? I'm reading a lot of "Pochita kills in 2-3 hits," "Can't be put down and if Pochita is, he won't stay down," and "Jacob's ladder doesn't work." I think that best thing to do is Bloodlust Yuta and give him prior knowledge of Pochita's resistances. Otherwise, Yuta is getting turned into wood chunks and gets stomped.
 
Catbowtie said:
Edit: Remembered that it was win by death. Truly it is our Versus Battles Thread.
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Its also gonna be difficult to land this on an extreme acrobat whos constantly moving from building to building and using environmental advantages including the fact that Yuta's head would also be off his shoulders by the time he decides to use it
 
The same problems are still relevant. Yuta has never used Cursed Speech in that way. At best (If we're going to make a bunch of excuses for Yuta and push Pochita & Yuta to near out-of-character actions, while also wanking Yuta), Yuta realizes that Pochita can one shot him after surviving (Yes, surviving) close-quarters-combat, fully manifests Rika, and instead of using "Don't Move" + Jumping, he uses Domain Expansion immediately. Yuta then makes the sure-hit effect Cursed Speech and uses Sleep Manipulation to win.


All these actions have to happen one after another in quick succession. We would literally have to plug a controller into Yuta and do these movements for him to win. There is not a situation outside of extreme suspension of disbelief and absolutely no Pochita defenders where Yuta would win.
 
Pochita is not just gonna stand there as a blind spot for cursed speech
GunshyFever said:
This includes the fact that Pochita doesn't even know who he's going against, which will lead him to be as versatile as possible. This can range from lifting a massive amount of ground to make Yuta lose his footing or throwing that ground at him to make him drop his guard for a surprise attack. He can also use his chains to slingshot himself for a speed advantage, including utilizing them to grapple and swing through buildings, which would make him a tough opponent to land a hit on. If Yuta tries to attack him from behind, he can easily restrain him using his organ scarf or his chains and his superior lifting strength, including Rika. Pochita also always aims for the head when going for a kill, which means no RCT.
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But, it is a win con, meaning Yuta has the opportunity to take down Pochita, though it varies on how he decides to do it. This is no longer a stomp match. I'm voting for Pochita
 
Hiiilt said:
I thought we could only restrict abilities if they grant a higher tier
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  • An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added.
Yeah, there is an exception if the ability grants a higher tier than their regular base tier.



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