Jujutsu Kaisen: Ryu Crater Feat

[KingTempest]

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JJK Project Chapter 176 Feats

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So in the calc above, we see that the granite blast calc uses vaporization.
I'm not sure Vaporization is valid.

We see dust clouds instead of smoke, debris in the clouds, and dust on the ground.

It looks a lot like violent frag with some pulv aspects.

https://media.**********.net/attachments/1165083506142089259/1237543905436766238/0176-011.png?ex=663e0253&is=663cb0d3&hm=04b2d004d736eedff5d61878a58f38f9db368607209bac319ee9c9bceb96e43d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1436&height=1077

If we use pulv: 214 * 280802400 = 60091713600 joules = 14.362264245 tons
If we use v frag: 69 * 280802400 = 19375365600 joules = 4.630823518 tons
If we use half of each: (214 * 280802400/2) + (69 * 280802400/2) = 39733539600 joules = 9.496543881 tons

This thread is just primarily to see if this is right and if we should change it. Scaling repercussions or replacements can honestly happen after.

 

[KingTempest]

@Dalesean027 @CloverDragon03 @AbaddonTheDisappointment @M3X_2.0 @Chariot190 @KLOL506 @SeijiSetto @TheRustyOne @Armorchompy @Damage3245 @DMUA

 

[Damage3245]

With no vaporization statement, it's pretty easy to interpret those as dust clouds. OP looks legit to me though I'm not fully sure on which end is best.

 

[SunDaGamer]

It looks like the material that used to be where the crater is was pulverized and everything else around the blast was blown apart and fragged

 

[M3X_2.0]

I still think it’s vaporization. We see that Yuta’s hand got burned and again on Rika’s hands.

And I’m pretty sure that’s something CE in general shares because Rika’s blast had the same effect on Ryu. And Ryu seemed to get burned when he got hit with his own GB in the end.

If we’re not using vaporization anymore, then pulverization should be used because there is no way in hell this is frag or v frag. And there is something left to do which is calc the concrete part (basically the street) and the rock part. I didn’t do that because it was irrelevant to kilotons but it’d be useful for tons.

 

[Dalesean027]

Were there every any temperature or vap statements for it cause if not then sure. Those looks like thicker debris clouds anyways?

 

[Chariot190]

The ripped up road does look like pulv, not vape ngl
But

Whatever happened, obviously had a fuckton of heat behind it, shit looks charred, and the building in the back honestly does look like it got vaped.
But the road bit looks more like it was blown apart based on the texturing of the destroyed part?

Like the rough texture (and few chunks), if it was vape, I think it'd be smoother, maybe glassed or more worn down, maybe drawn darker like the heat marks?
It's at least pulv tho, yeah we see debris, but most at the edges, and a few stray bits that don't account for even 1% of the total volume.
As for the smoke clouds, idk, depends how Gege draws that shit, do we have a confirmed example of Vape like with Jogo we can cross ref? If it's the same then yeah vape cool, but if we don't, I'm seeing a mix tbh, like the obvious ones look like dust, but in the background, there looks like whispy vapor clouds so...
Tbh, it's probably a mix of both, stuff at the edges blown apart, lot of shit was probably pulved, some stuff was prob cooked and ashed and vaped (like the building?), etc. Not strictly one or the other based on what I'm seeing
but "how should we calc i-", lmao idk, here's a funny frug gif

 

[DMUA]

I still think it’s vaporization. We see that Yuta’s hand got burned and again on Rika’s hands.

Heat can pulverize. I don't get where the idea that every thermal attack absolutely must be vaporization comes from.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Heat can pulverize. I don't get where the idea that every thermal attack absolutely must be vaporization comes from.

It can but it’s most likely never the case. Heat pulverizing rather than vaporizing is straight up false in most cases where we see vapor coming out of the crater.

 

[KingTempest]

But that doesn't appear to be vapor though, it looks like strong ass dust

Like this is what vapor looks like in JJK

 

[KingTempest]

bro come on

 

[M3X_2.0]

Dumbass

 

[Chariot190]

Heat can pulverize.

Not really no, you can't pulv concrete or rock with pure heat, at least, not before it melts, unless it's tied to something else, like a punch or blast, but at that point, it isn't the heat doing the pulving, but that other thing. Like pure heat is going to melt a rock long before it turns it to ash.
idk what the **** a granite blast even is tho

But that doesn't appear to be vapor though, it looks like strong ass dust

Like this is what vapor looks like in JJK

Dog just dm me

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

idk what the **** a granite blast even is tho

A laser that comes out of a reincarnated 400+ year old man’s pompadour

 

[KingTempest]

A laser that comes out of a reincarnated 400+ year old man’s pompadour

The best way of explaining it actually

 

[Arkenis]

Another thing, not sure if it was mentioned, but it likely only fv/pulved the ground due to Yuta being there to block the blast somewhat. The building he destroyed should be calced for vap instead

 

[DMUA]

or blast

Like a Granite blast, you could say.

 

[JnSteHar002]

A laser that comes out of a reincarnated 400+ year old man’s pompadour

This is appreciated

idk what the **** a granite blast even is tho

I found the JJK wiki defines it as Ryu's technique of discharging compressed/concentrated CE like a canon at full power. I can't find if Ryu has a specific trait to his own CE so it might become an issue of what traits regular CE holds, depending on how technical we get.

 

[M3X_2.0]

bump

 

[SunDaGamer]

I think Chariot's suggestion of using vaporization for the building in the background along with pulverization for the street crater could work

 

[TheRustyOne]

There is no vaporized building in the background. Yuta's in the middle of the road. The only buildings are off to the side.

Here is a map in real life of the exact distance between them. Also, yes that is where Yuta is standing. I know I'm not exact, but you get the point.

His blast damaged some of the buildings on the side, but that is it. There is no building in the crater area nor are there any between Yuta and Ryu.

Also, I feel the shape being used is incorrect. It's not a rectangle, the crater area further away from Yuta is not as wide as when it reaches Yuta.

However, it seems the calc group members here agree that the crater on the road was pulverized. Or am I wrong? I agree with the road being pulverized instead of vaporized.

Note: M3X seem to have edit the calc to use the real life length, which is think is far better than getting the length via angular size. What do you all think of that?

 

[DarkRuler234]

I don't know of someone is going to bother to see this but there attack definitely has heat behind it everytime someone tries to block it their hand gets scorched even if just a little.

So there's no one who could make a Calc that make it 90% pulv and 10% vapo, or 80% pulv and 20% vapo?

 

[KingTempest]

I don't know of someone is going to bother to see this but there attack definitely has heat behind it everytime someone tries to block it their hand gets scorched even if just a little.

So there's no one who could make a Calc that make it 90% pulv and 10% vapo, or 80% pulv and 20% vapo?

Heat behind it ≠ Vaporization
I've seen fictional fireballs fragment things

 

[DarkRuler234]

Heat behind it ≠ Vaporization
I've seen fictional fireballs fragment things

Expect it left scorched marks even by slightly touching some lamp posts and even the holes his blast makes leaves smoke despite not being enough for pulverization or fragmention despite they mostly using blunt force.

https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/tcbjujutsu/jjk176_016.png

 

[KingTempest]

Expect it left scorched marks even by slightly touching some lamp posts and even the holes his blast makes leaves smoke despite not being enough for pulverization or fragmention despite they mostly using blunt force.

Temperature to burn some lamp post and temperature to vaporize rock are so different it's funny
On top of that, we explained the difference between the smoke of jjk and the dust of jjk above already

 

[DarkRuler234]

Temperature to burn some lamp post and temperature to vaporize rock are so different it's funny
On top of that, we explained the difference between the smoke of jjk and the dust of jjk above already

I'm not saying the attack completely vaporize everything but yes that the attack has a ton of heat that should deal minimum vapo damage, because the creaters that Ryu's multiple blast created looked like they were melted through instead of simply fragmented, and of course everytime Yuta or Rika tried to block the attack their hands were scorched and in Yuta's case he even lost a bunch of his fingers.

And also Gege changed his drawing style by the time the Culling Games started, so how can we say he simply did changed how he draws smoke, because even Sukuna's Furnace did not had the signs that Jogo's explosions had, even though that was a big ass thermobaric explosion, if you want proof that he changed his drawing style I can search it for you.

 

[KingTempest]

I'm not saying the attack completely vaporize everything but yes that the attack has a ton of heat that should deal minimum vapo damage, because the creaters that Ryu's multiple blast created looked like they were melted through instead of simply fragmented, and of course everytime Yuta or Rika tried to block the attack their hands were scorched and in Yuta's case he even lost a bunch of his fingers.

And also Gege changed his drawing style by the time the Culling Games started, so how can we say he simply did changed how he draws smoke, because even Sukuna's Furnace did not had the signs that Jogo's explosions had, even though that was a big ass thermobaric explosion, if you want proof that he changed his drawing style I can search it for you.

Not all attacks with a bunch of heat will do vaporization damage.
And no, they don't. They have a bunch of rubble there.

All because an attack can burn a person doesn't mean that it'll burn rock and stone. That's really it

 

[DarkRuler234]

Not all attacks with a bunch of heat will do vaporization damage.
And no, they don't. They have a bunch of rubble there.

All because an attack can burn a person doesn't mean that it'll burn rock and stone. That's really it

The rubble is there because of the strength of the attack but the holes they made is melted through.

Everything indicates that while the attack in its vast majority is a blunt force, it has enough heat to deal a very minimum vaporization damage to it's targets.

 

[Passersby]

from my understanding (which isn't exactly advanced) vaporization works in a two steps process, first the temperature of the desired material is raised it it's boiling point and then all extra energy goes toward the latent heat of vaporization, and until the entire material is vaporized, the temperature of the vaporizing mass cannot exceed the boiling point

the material shown in the panel demonstrably hasn't reached it's boiling point, a charred surface alone does not indicate that vaporization occurred, or at least not in a way that would be relevant

 

[DarkRuler234]

from my understanding (which isn't exactly advanced) vaporization works in a two steps process, first the temperature of the desired material is raised it it's boiling point and then all extra energy goes toward the latent heat of vaporization, and until the entire material is vaporized, the temperature of the vaporizing mass cannot exceed the boiling point

the material shown in the panel demonstrably hasn't reached it's boiling point, a charred surface alone does not indicate that vaporization occurred, or at least not in a way that would be relevant

You're talking about my argument or the feat as whole, just to be clear.

 

[Passersby]

You're talking about my argument or the feat as whole, just to be clear.

No one's?

I was looking at the panel providing the after effects of the attack and explaining why vaporization isn't supported given the presented panels unless I'm missing something

 

[DarkRuler234]

No one's?

I was looking at the panel providing the after effects of the attack and explaining why vaporization isn't supported given the presented panels unless I'm missing something

My bad then, but my argument is that the blast mostly uses pulverization on his attack but it has enough heat to deal minimum vaporization damage, because everytime someone blocks the attack their hands get charred and there's smoke coming out of their hands, and of course when he used this same attack to try to hit another character he fragmented the ground but the hole they made seemed to be melted through.

Though I'm pretty much starting to try to argue because is very clear nobody believes me (which granted they have their own arguments as to why they don't think so).

 

[Passersby]

My bad then

no worries

, but my argument is that the blast mostly uses pulverization on his attack but it has enough heat to deal minimum vaporization damage,

evidence for the bolded part?

burning flesh and vaporizing chunks of materials per attack isn't nearly the same, burning flesh typically involves charring, pyrolysis(assuming whatever the attack is it displaced the air and thus the oxygen in the area it covered), and combustion and not instantaneous phase transition to gas, nothing was shown to be liquified either and unless the road was made of material that naturally sublimates instead of rock or concrete, there should be melting before vaporizing, and if melting isn’t observed the existence of any form of vaporization is doubtful at best

the hole they made seemed to be melted through.

may i see it?
this can give basis for vaporization to exist

 

[ElajRuengies]

Additional note, but the calc also gets the shape of the crater wrong. It should be using a half-elliptical cylinder (length * radius1 * radius2 * pi * 0.5) rather than a rectangular prism (length * width * height).

The volume's only about 900 cubic meters rather than 11,400.

 

[DarkRuler234]

no worries

evidence for the bolded part?

burning flesh and vaporizing chunks of materials per attack isn't nearly the same, burning flesh typically involves charring, pyrolysis(assuming whatever the attack is it displaced the air and thus the oxygen in the area it covered), and combustion and not instantaneous phase transition to gas, nothing was shown to be liquified either and unless the road was made of material that naturally sublimates instead of rock or concrete, there should be melting before vaporizing, and if melting isn’t observed the existence of any form of vaporization is doubtful at best


may i see it?
this can give basis for vaporization to exist

Here, while the attack seems to fragment the ground the wholes they made seemed to be melted through.

It's in chapter 176 page 18, the site is not letting me place images.

 

[Passersby]

Here, while the attack seems to fragment the ground the wholes they made seemed to be melted through.

It's in chapter 176 page 18, the site is not letting me place images.

your link doesn't work
i found it


some of the edges do look kind of smooth but it could be due to the shape of the attack itself, a continuous displacement of materials with a cylinder shaped beam with consistent movement can net you something along those lines similar to how a high-pressure water jet can cut through materials with clean edges but doesn’t necessarily melt them, there is no clear melting residue or heat effects to reasonably conclude melting or vaporization took place

 

[DarkRuler234]

I

your link doesn't work
i found it


some of the edges do look kind of smooth but it could be due to the shape of the attack itself, a continuous displacement of materials with a cylinder shaped beam with consistent movement can net you something along those lines similar to how a high-pressure water jet can cut through materials with clean edges but doesn’t necessarily melt them, there is no clear melting residue or heat effects to reasonably conclude melting or vaporization took place

I still think it melted through because the attack does have heat behind it.

But I understand your arguments, thanks for your time.