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Did you read Aoi's statement? She stated that he had it
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Yogiri can take a 5th spot ?
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The only reason he can't effect her is because she's too far away. If her law IS her, then she's within his range and can therefore be hit by ID.
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She only says that the fate of anyone who fights him is death, which isn't caused by fate hax, but by ID, so? It isn't stated that he has high Fate Value.
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Thats not the scan Im talking about, its the first one
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I don't get how that makes sense though.
I mean, if someone is the size of a planet, does that mean death hax with 100 kilometer range wouldn't kill them in SBA?
Of course not.
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I don't see "Yogiri also has high fate value" anywhere in the first.
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ID can, at best, delayed the effects even if just for a moment. Madoka Law will eventually overcome ID with sheer potency. ID trying to prevent Madoka's Law is like a car trying to overpower a train. You gotta affects Madoka entirely to fully negate her Law, which ID cannot do.
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It isn't what the quote says tho, it says "For example, Oda Nobunaga, an existence with high fate value like him is hard to kill", and it continues talking about Nobunaga until the end, it never compares Nobunaga to Yog.
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...She literally mentions Yogiri and then proceeds to tell how she is gonna kill him since thats her current mission
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With added context; Aoi is talking about Yogiri being an existence of high fate value and how she could get rid of him. Which turns out to be wrong as his fate is beyond what she thought it was.
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Because the manga for some reason decided to omit his name and just used the part where Aoi referred to him as "he" or "him
The novel's quotes are better for this part tbh.
The novel's quotes are better for this part tbh.
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Neither do I agree with ID protecting Yogiri from something far more powerful than what he has faced before. Especially when a mere side effect from Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen can gives birth to a Multiversal threat like Avatar of Calamity when the actual effect is just to corrupt Wraith (Puella Magi Madoka Magica), beings tailor made by Madoka herself to take on the negative emotions, that it left unchecked could destroy the universe.
When it comes to Abstract Existence the size of Multiverse or bigger, large size will indeed protect you from some degree of hax though. This is how it works ever since even before the forum move.
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Madoka "erased" UKG, a being with type 2 NEP, which was a lot harder to affect than Type 5 Acausality.
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No, he literally died as soon as the "battle" begin.
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Conceptual type 2 can do that thing by default
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Homura is even worse since her Law manip outclassed Madoka in potency. And I don't need to remind you about mindhax.
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Actually not the case. 2-A comes from statements of Instant Death being capable of destroying everything. Including infinite Heavenly Records.
Heavenly Records themselves being capable of containing multiple timelines.
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Yeah. Since this is for the strongest I already suggested Homura who has clear feats against acausal type 5. But Madoka works too i guess.
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No, I simply mean the hax-resistance interaction. Ap is enough to destroy a verse.
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It can.
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The argument was never whether or not Madoka could affect Yogiri tho.
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No, but it's more like deduction with how cosmology work in the verse. Just like it was explained, the sea contain infinite heavenly records, where there is gap for being like HRE to wandering around the sea. Not to mention that HRE size mouth alone can devour the entire heavenly record (The universe) And he can contain multiple unvireses with it. Since HRE can wandering around the 'sea' there's is at least gap multiple universes within heavenly records. Hence why the range should be much higher than what it seems. (Well, at least that's what i get from reading the @Gemstic quota, i am not really expert so i ask someone else with more experience).
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