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While true it isnt listed as Limited, the justificative of the ability is what mattersThe Way standards work is that we use whatever is on the profile as it is. No more nor less
To treat it as limited a CTR is in order
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While true it isnt listed as Limited, the justificative of the ability is what mattersThe Way standards work is that we use whatever is on the profile as it is. No more nor less
To treat it as limited a CTR is in order
Ultron hasn't used it he still wouldn't be able to interact with the x-axis and Yhwach can clone himself endless with the visionary and give them all his powers so ultron vs dozens of Yhwachs with haxTime stop prevents any of this from happening
it be like this:It is literally 4 on 1 here
I cant respond to all of you at the same time Lolol
Please give me some time
How does ultron beat an army yhwach with the same haxes and a strength? Actually yhwach imagines that ultron is defeated and use the almighty as well and it’s a gg. Also he has no counter for the explode sine he will turn into a bomb and explode or yhwach can imagine ultron as a statue.It is literally 4 on 1 here
I cant respond to all of you at the same time Lolol
Please give me some time
Except the Cosmic Awareness allows them to see the Future as wellCosmic awareness does not work as in telling u what hax a person is using, it simply helps you know what is happeing (Ex: person 1 farted and so on, it does not work like precog)
In Ultron's caseCosmic Awareness = clairvoyance in a big scale, that's it
Umm No?Can't yhwach just control ultron with the cumpolsurary?
Cosmic Awareness IN ULTRON'S CASE allows him to see what will and could happen in the future of the multivervse1. Cosmic awareness is not precog, it just helps knowing whats going on not what will happen, YH also has teleportation, With the A he can change or rewrite it so that ultron had not used the nuke, and if he does not, he can simply take the hit and become stronger, bigger and faster due to Miracle, or simply transfer the damage to ultron via Balance
3-D powered RW vs 4-D powered RW?2. YH also has reality hax via visionary
In Yhwach's case it's less than 10 while in Ultron's case it's Infinite3. both have TP across different dimensions ye
Word of Staff4. u know YH has recistance to soul hax right?
I suppose5. he can counter via A or V
Huh?6. But 3D can
Not on a 4-D level7. YH has both of them and resistance to them
Time Stop gives Ultron an overwhelming advantage as with it Yhwach can't even make a move against UltronUltron hasn't used it he still wouldn't be able to interact with the x-axis and Yhwach can clone himself endless with the visionary and give them all his powers so ultron vs dozens of Yhwachs with hax
Time Stop + Galaxy NukeHow does ultron beat an army yhwach with the same haxes and a strength?
When has the Visionary done this exactly?Actually yhwach imagines that ultron is defeated and use the almighty as well and it’s a gg.
Time Stop and Rewind and TeleportationAlso he has no counter for the explode
Againsine he will turn into a bomb and explode or yhwach can imagine ultron as a statue.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!!it be like this:
Can you all PLEASE go easy with the reply speed
I'm just one mortal
I will start spamming walls of text to all replies then
Simple, Yhwach avoids and absorbs. There’s really nothing that Ultron can do to counter thisExplain how?
There are still specifications for why someone has a specific ranking, therefore Ultron doesn’t have proper specifications that prove he can avoid Yhwach’s hax.The Way standards work is that we use whatever is on the profile as it is. No more nor less
To treat it as limited a CTR is in order
Or Yhwach just absorbs him, that tooAnd they keep looping for all eternity
Absorption is contact basedSimple, Yhwach avoids and absorbs. There’s really nothing that Ultron can do to counter this
At this point im no longer arguing that Ultron resists but can sorta work his away around itThere are still specifications for why someone has a specific ranking, therefore Ultron doesn’t have proper specifications that prove he can avoid Yhwach’s hax.
How does touch based absorption get passed Thought based AP Nuke, Teleportation and Time Stop?Or Yhwach just absorbs him, that too
The only other one I'm aware of is the one that only his to absorb spiritual matter and beings made of reishiYH has many absorption powers, its not just touch one
The cosmic awareness of ultron is not exactly the best considering he cant see everything that could or will happen, just some stuff and even them is not perfectExcept the Cosmic Awareness allows them to see the Future as well
Remember
"All that will happen and everything that could happen"
In Ultron's case
It extends to the future that will and could happen across a 2-A multiverse
Umm No?
I mean he could but
Ultron can Teleport or Nuke to keep stuff like that away from him
Or just use AoE deconstruction to Wipe the Planet Clean
Cosmic Awareness IN ULTRON'S CASE allows him to see what will and could happen in the future of the multivervse
Yhwach cant teleport on the scale Ultron can
Ultron is bloodlust here, he will just resort to nuking endlessly till he gets it off at some point
Are you saying Yhwach is gonna take a Low 2-C nuke to the face and then rise to meet it, literally taking an infinitely higher tier Jump? Can he also do this Tier 1-C, 1-B or maybe even 1-A? Because the moment you say the Miracle can make Yhwach reach 4-D power status without feats you might as well say he can do so with the other tiers as well
Transfer damage is a great argument actually.
In Yhwach's case it's less than 10 while in Ultron's case it's Infinite
Ultron can also jump timelines which Yhwach cant do
Time Stop gives Ultron an overwhelming advantage as with it Yhwach can't even make a move against Ultron
The Time stone can also rewind time so that would undo any progress Yhwach would have made
Time Stop + Galaxy Nuke
reishi is just matter but for spirits and if we using verse = that would mean that all matter has reishi on itThe only other one I'm aware of is the one that only his to absorb spiritual matter and beings made of reishi
Which Ultron is not
The same could be said of Yhwach given he didn't see Uryu smiting him with the Silver Arrow nor could he change the future to make it not happenThe cosmic awareness of ultron is not exactly the best considering he cant see everything that could or will happen, just some stuff and even them is not perfect
Im establishing Range and Speed hereboth teleport to different dimensions/universes, the amount does not really matter considering
If Ultron successfully nukes the flesh off Yhwach, he can then just go for Soul Stealno? miracle gives the user Low godly regen, he can keep nuking but he can keep coming back and via the miracle he will just increase his own power
Okay"less than 10" u know the amount does not matter right? teleportation is still teleportation, YH can just as easily TP to different dimensions/universes as ultron does
This is under the assumption Yhwach can even perceive time stop which he has no feats ofYH can use his precog before ultron even thinks of using the time stone
and YH can change the timeline to where ultron does not use that
Is there feats of Yhwach thinking in Time Stop?Precog change timeline to where he does not use time stop or precog+ taking the hit dying, regen via low godly, returning better than before. or using the balance to return the damage.
this Yhwach version has no FleshIf Ultron successfully nukes the flesh off Yhwach, he can then just go for Soul Steal
He still has a soul thoughthis Yhwach version has no Flesh
By wiki standards, that's PIS.The same could be said of Yhwach given he didn't see Uryu smiting him with the Silver Arrow nor could he change the future to make it not happen
Yhwach is non-corporeal also lol at going soul vs. soul against Bleach.If Ultron successfully nukes the flesh off Yhwach, he can then just go for Soul Steal
Doesn't matter. Yhwach already knows Ultron's arsenal the moment the fight starts and he just prevents him from using any of it.This is under the assumption Yhwach can even perceive time stop which he has no feats of
If he looks into the future all he will see is everything that happens WHILE TIME IS IN MOTION not the things tat will happen WHILE TIME IS STOPPED
To say that Yhwach can perceive stopped time and things that happen IN STOPPED TIME is going to need supporing evidence
Really?The watcher does’t know everything that will or can happen, btw.
Ultron can see across timelinesFor the record, Cosmic Awareness (or any kind of sensory abilities) won't help Ultron here.
Yhwach has his own cosmic awareness with the Almighty and he was still not able to discern anything that concerns the Mimihagi since it was acausal and evaded his sight.
Yhwach has absorbed the Mimihagi and subjugated its existence with him.
So no, Ultron has no way of knowing what Yhwach does/can do.
Or Yhwach just dropped the ball or Tite Kubo wrote himself into a plotholeBy wiki standards, that's PIS.
4-D powered Soul Hax vs Numerous Layers of 3-D Soul Hax ResistancesYhwach is non-corporeal also lol at going soul vs. soul against Bleach.
How?Doesn't matter. Yhwach already knows Ultron's arsenal the moment the fight starts and he just prevents him from using any of it.
Feats of Yhwach thinking in time stop please?Anything that is not passive by Ultron won't even get the chance to activate at all.
Honestly dont knowReally?
So how viable is ultron's resistance to Fate Hax?
Seriously thoughThe watcher does’t know everything that will or can happen, btw.
Doesnt matter if he can see across timelines or view the past since Yhwach is acausal lmao he only exists in the present and it's simply not true that it only grants resistance to precog.Ultron can see across timelines
He would be aware of Yhwach and the Quincies arsenals via viewing the past
Mihigami only grants resistance against Precognition
How?
All Ultron has to do is Time Stop and Almighty has no feats of perceiving stopped time
The point im making is that Yhwach understands the nature of things he perceives via the almighty which is why he will know Ultron has time hax.Feats of Yhwach thinking in time stop please?
Otherwise he cant perceive time stop?
Yes, really. It has been contradicted several times story wise. I’ve made this clear several times but it’s been handwaved each time.Really?
So how viable is ultron's resistance to Fate Hax?
Uryu had statements of his power/hax being a counter to his A so not a very good exampleThe same could be said of Yhwach given he didn't see Uryu smiting him with the Silver Arrow nor could he change the future to make it not happen
Im establishing Range and Speed here
Yhwach teleportation is slow and the range of his teleportation is only Interdimensional
Ultron's teleportation is near-instant and he can go across a multiverse
It's false to try an equate their teleportation when both clearly has limits as to where they can teleport and how far there teleportation can reach
If Ultron successfully nukes the flesh off Yhwach, he can then just go for Soul Steal
And again it's very Controversial Territory to say the Miracle can allow for one to jump into higher Tiers without supporting evidence
Okay
Can Yhwach teleport to different timelines like Ultron???
Can he spam Teleportation as fast and as hard as Ultron can???
This is under the assumption Yhwach can even perceive time stop which he has no feats of
If he looks into the future all he will see is everything that happens WHILE TIME IS IN MOTION not the things tat will happen WHILE TIME IS STOPPED
Is there feats of Yhwach thinking in Time Stop?
if they talking bout the version i think they are, YH is pure energy, basically a blob of darknessHe still has a soul though
Also I was being exaggerative (a bit)
Yes, really. It has been contradicted several times story wise. I’ve made this clear several times but it’s been handwaved each time.
Ultrons fate hax is extremely limited. The only reason he has that in his profile is because he sensed the watcher, which caught him off guard. The problem with this is the fact that the mechanics of the watchers cosmic awareness is still a mystery, which was one of the most important parts of the show. We don’t know the mechanics of it, and we know that it doesn’t work all the time, for example he didn’t know whether or not the avengers were gonna defeat Ultron, or whether or not Clint and nat were gonna find zola.
As for time stop (which Ultron has never shown), yhwach would simply swap it out with a timeline in which Ultron didn’t use it
Damn you two are on a roll. Gud stuffs.Uryu had statements of his power/hax being a counter to his A so not a very good example
Using his portals sure, but by using or combining it with the A he can instantly change locations
Yhwach already has resistance to that and even while dead he can change/rewrite with the A
thats kinda what the A does, he changes timelines, he explains this.
yea, spamming TP is no problem and by using the A that just makes it instant
Ultron needs to activate this ability is not passive, u think YH will stay on the same timeline when suddenly something seems strange?
Where the heck Acausal Type 2 anywhere on Yhwach's Profile?Doesnt matter if he can see across timelines or view the past since Yhwach is acausal lmao he only exists in the present and it's simply not true that it only grants resistance to precog.
OkayThe point im making is that Yhwach understands the nature of things he perceives via the almighty which is why he will know Ultron has time hax.
How will he prevent Ultron from using Time Hax if he cant even perceive its even happening?Yhwach does not need to think in time stop because Yhwach prevents Ultron from using it in the first place. Not that he will null a 4-D hax.
Yhwach prevents the activation of stuff he can see in the futureTime Stop still needs activation and Yhwach prevents that activation since Ultron himself is not higher dimensional.
Fair PointUryu had statements of his power/hax being a counter to his A so not a very good example
He still cant match Ultron's rangeUsing his portals sure, but by using or combining it with the A he can instantly change locations
Yhwach cant resist a higher powerYhwach already has resistance to that and even while dead he can change/rewrite with the A
I'll accept thatthats kinda what the A does, he changes timelines, he explains this.
yea, spamming TP is no problem and by using the A that just makes it instant
Maybe, Maybe notUltron needs to activate this ability is not passive, u think YH will stay on the same timeline when suddenly something seems strange?
Fight starts (already sees whats going to happen), they dance for a bit, ultron uses time stone, from YH perspective as u put it he would see himself fighting and suddenly dead with no idea what happenedMaybe, Maybe not
My point is Yhwach cant perceive Time Stop nor the things that happen in Time Stop
na, been a while since i had a debate actuallyBtw
Am I the only one enjoying this debate???
Okay when you put it like that plus the fact he can rewrite his own deathFight starts (already sees whats going to happen), they dance for a bit, ultron uses time stone, from YH perspective as u put it he would see himself fighting and suddenly dead with no idea what happened
u really think he will stay on the same timeline if he suddenly sees himself dying with no idea how it even happen? and since he sees all possible timelines at once he simply changes it to where that does not happen
then he could use the B to basically return all of that to ultronHonestly this is just gonna loop on and on and on and on and on
For example
Ultron is bloodlust
What if when the fight starts he just spams Galaxy nuke like there is no tomorrow and he doesnt stop till everything is nuked
No matter how much Yhwach changes the future, Ultron will just keep on nuking and Yhwach will keep on changing til the end of time
How would B return what is essentially a Galaxy Nuking AoEthen he could use the B to basically return all of that to ultron
also remember he does not just change the timeline, he can also Rewrite it
the balance basically makes it so, all the damage directed or received by the user to return to a specific object or personHow would B return what is essentially a Galaxy Nuking AoE
There is no possibly way for the Balance to make a AoE that nukes everything just attack Ultron
And even then Ultron can tank the Nuke