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Yhwach vs Ultron (MCU)

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It is literally 4 on 1 here
I cant respond to all of you at the same time Lolol
Please give me some time
it be like this:
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It is literally 4 on 1 here
I cant respond to all of you at the same time Lolol
Please give me some time
How does ultron beat an army yhwach with the same haxes and a strength? Actually yhwach imagines that ultron is defeated and use the almighty as well and it’s a gg. Also he has no counter for the explode sine he will turn into a bomb and explode or yhwach can imagine ultron as a statue.
 
Cosmic awareness does not work as in telling u what hax a person is using, it simply helps you know what is happeing (Ex: person 1 farted and so on, it does not work like precog)
Except the Cosmic Awareness allows them to see the Future as well
Remember
"All that will happen and everything that could happen"
Cosmic Awareness = clairvoyance in a big scale, that's it
In Ultron's case
It extends to the future that will and could happen across a 2-A multiverse
Can't yhwach just control ultron with the cumpolsurary?
Umm No?
I mean he could but
Ultron can Teleport or Nuke to keep stuff like that away from him
Or just use AoE deconstruction to Wipe the Planet Clean

1. Cosmic awareness is not precog, it just helps knowing whats going on not what will happen, YH also has teleportation, With the A he can change or rewrite it so that ultron had not used the nuke, and if he does not, he can simply take the hit and become stronger, bigger and faster due to Miracle, or simply transfer the damage to ultron via Balance
Cosmic Awareness IN ULTRON'S CASE allows him to see what will and could happen in the future of the multivervse

Yhwach cant teleport on the scale Ultron can

Ultron is bloodlust here, he will just resort to nuking endlessly till he gets it off at some point

Are you saying Yhwach is gonna take a Low 2-C nuke to the face and then rise to meet it, literally taking an infinitely higher tier Jump? Can he also do this Tier 1-C, 1-B or maybe even 1-A? Because the moment you say the Miracle can make Yhwach reach 4-D power status without feats you might as well say he can do so with the other tiers as well

Transfer damage is a great argument actually.
2. YH also has reality hax via visionary
3-D powered RW vs 4-D powered RW?
3. both have TP across different dimensions ye
In Yhwach's case it's less than 10 while in Ultron's case it's Infinite
Ultron can also jump timelines which Yhwach cant do
4. u know YH has recistance to soul hax right?
Word of Staff
No amount of Layered 3-D resistance can negate a Hax coming from a 4-D power source
There was a Q&A covering this
5. he can counter via A or V
I suppose
Though Ultron has more potent RW
6. But 3D can
Huh?
7. YH has both of them and resistance to them
Not on a 4-D level

Ultron hasn't used it he still wouldn't be able to interact with the x-axis and Yhwach can clone himself endless with the visionary and give them all his powers so ultron vs dozens of Yhwachs with hax
Time Stop gives Ultron an overwhelming advantage as with it Yhwach can't even make a move against Ultron
The Time stone can also rewind time so that would undo any progress Yhwach would have made

How does ultron beat an army yhwach with the same haxes and a strength?
Time Stop + Galaxy Nuke
Actually yhwach imagines that ultron is defeated and use the almighty as well and it’s a gg.
When has the Visionary done this exactly?
Why has this never been done like against ANYONE
Also he has no counter for the explode
Time Stop and Rewind and Teleportation
Explode cant reach him
sine he will turn into a bomb and explode or yhwach can imagine ultron as a statue.
Again
When has the Visionary ever done this?

it be like this:
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YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!! 😂 😭😭😂😂
 
Explain how?
Simple, Yhwach avoids and absorbs. There’s really nothing that Ultron can do to counter this
The Way standards work is that we use whatever is on the profile as it is. No more nor less
To treat it as limited a CTR is in order
There are still specifications for why someone has a specific ranking, therefore Ultron doesn’t have proper specifications that prove he can avoid Yhwach’s hax.
And they keep looping for all eternity
Or Yhwach just absorbs him, that too
 
Simple, Yhwach avoids and absorbs. There’s really nothing that Ultron can do to counter this
Absorption is contact based
How is that gonna happen when Ultron spams teleportation like there is no tomorrow and galaxy nukes like it's Carnival
Plus there is always time stop which Yhwach has no answer to
There are still specifications for why someone has a specific ranking, therefore Ultron doesn’t have proper specifications that prove he can avoid Yhwach’s hax.
At this point im no longer arguing that Ultron resists but can sorta work his away around it
Or Yhwach just absorbs him, that too
How does touch based absorption get passed Thought based AP Nuke, Teleportation and Time Stop?
 
Except the Cosmic Awareness allows them to see the Future as well
Remember
"All that will happen and everything that could happen"

In Ultron's case
It extends to the future that will and could happen across a 2-A multiverse

Umm No?
I mean he could but
Ultron can Teleport or Nuke to keep stuff like that away from him
Or just use AoE deconstruction to Wipe the Planet Clean


Cosmic Awareness IN ULTRON'S CASE allows him to see what will and could happen in the future of the multivervse

Yhwach cant teleport on the scale Ultron can

Ultron is bloodlust here, he will just resort to nuking endlessly till he gets it off at some point

Are you saying Yhwach is gonna take a Low 2-C nuke to the face and then rise to meet it, literally taking an infinitely higher tier Jump? Can he also do this Tier 1-C, 1-B or maybe even 1-A? Because the moment you say the Miracle can make Yhwach reach 4-D power status without feats you might as well say he can do so with the other tiers as well

Transfer damage is a great argument actually.


In Yhwach's case it's less than 10 while in Ultron's case it's Infinite
Ultron can also jump timelines which Yhwach cant do


Time Stop gives Ultron an overwhelming advantage as with it Yhwach can't even make a move against Ultron
The Time stone can also rewind time so that would undo any progress Yhwach would have made


Time Stop + Galaxy Nuke
The cosmic awareness of ultron is not exactly the best considering he cant see everything that could or will happen, just some stuff and even them is not perfect

both teleport to different dimensions/universes, the amount does not really matter considering

no? miracle gives the user Low godly regen, he can keep nuking but he can keep coming back and via the miracle he will just increase his own power

"less than 10" u know the amount does not matter right? teleportation is still teleportation, YH can just as easily TP to different dimensions/universes as ultron does

YH can use his precog before ultron even thinks of using the time stone
and YH can change the timeline to where ultron does not use that

Precog change timeline to where he does not use time stop or precog+ taking the hit dying, regen via low godly, returning better than before. or using the balance to return the damage.
 
The only other one I'm aware of is the one that only his to absorb spiritual matter and beings made of reishi
Which Ultron is not
reishi is just matter but for spirits and if we using verse = that would mean that all matter has reishi on it

ye, he has more than the touch and the Sklaveri one
 
For the record, Cosmic Awareness (or any kind of sensory abilities) won't help Ultron here.

Yhwach has his own cosmic awareness with the Almighty and he was still not able to discern anything that concerns the Mimihagi since it was acausal and evaded his sight.

Yhwach has absorbed the Mimihagi and subjugated its existence with him.

So no, Ultron has no way of knowing what Yhwach does/can do.
 
The cosmic awareness of ultron is not exactly the best considering he cant see everything that could or will happen, just some stuff and even them is not perfect
The same could be said of Yhwach given he didn't see Uryu smiting him with the Silver Arrow nor could he change the future to make it not happen
both teleport to different dimensions/universes, the amount does not really matter considering
Im establishing Range and Speed here
Yhwach teleportation is slow and the range of his teleportation is only Interdimensional
Ultron's teleportation is near-instant and he can go across a multiverse

It's false to try an equate their teleportation when both clearly has limits as to where they can teleport and how far there teleportation can reach
no? miracle gives the user Low godly regen, he can keep nuking but he can keep coming back and via the miracle he will just increase his own power
If Ultron successfully nukes the flesh off Yhwach, he can then just go for Soul Steal
And again it's very Controversial Territory to say the Miracle can allow for one to jump into higher Tiers without supporting evidence
"less than 10" u know the amount does not matter right? teleportation is still teleportation, YH can just as easily TP to different dimensions/universes as ultron does
Okay
Can Yhwach teleport to different timelines like Ultron???
Can he spam Teleportation as fast and as hard as Ultron can???
YH can use his precog before ultron even thinks of using the time stone
and YH can change the timeline to where ultron does not use that
This is under the assumption Yhwach can even perceive time stop which he has no feats of
If he looks into the future all he will see is everything that happens WHILE TIME IS IN MOTION not the things tat will happen WHILE TIME IS STOPPED

To say that Yhwach can perceive stopped time and things that happen IN STOPPED TIME is going to need supporing evidence
Precog change timeline to where he does not use time stop or precog+ taking the hit dying, regen via low godly, returning better than before. or using the balance to return the damage.
Is there feats of Yhwach thinking in Time Stop?
 
The same could be said of Yhwach given he didn't see Uryu smiting him with the Silver Arrow nor could he change the future to make it not happen
By wiki standards, that's PIS.

If Ultron successfully nukes the flesh off Yhwach, he can then just go for Soul Steal
Yhwach is non-corporeal also lol at going soul vs. soul against Bleach.

This is under the assumption Yhwach can even perceive time stop which he has no feats of
If he looks into the future all he will see is everything that happens WHILE TIME IS IN MOTION not the things tat will happen WHILE TIME IS STOPPED

To say that Yhwach can perceive stopped time and things that happen IN STOPPED TIME is going to need supporing evidence
Doesn't matter. Yhwach already knows Ultron's arsenal the moment the fight starts and he just prevents him from using any of it.

Anything that is not passive by Ultron won't even get the chance to activate at all.
 
For the record, Cosmic Awareness (or any kind of sensory abilities) won't help Ultron here.

Yhwach has his own cosmic awareness with the Almighty and he was still not able to discern anything that concerns the Mimihagi since it was acausal and evaded his sight.

Yhwach has absorbed the Mimihagi and subjugated its existence with him.

So no, Ultron has no way of knowing what Yhwach does/can do.
Ultron can see across timelines
He would be aware of Yhwach and the Quincies arsenals via viewing the past
Mihigami only grants resistance against Precognition


By wiki standards, that's PIS.
Or Yhwach just dropped the ball or Tite Kubo wrote himself into a plothole

Either way Yhwach's Almighty was beaten
Yhwach is non-corporeal also lol at going soul vs. soul against Bleach.
4-D powered Soul Hax vs Numerous Layers of 3-D Soul Hax Resistances
The Winner is clear
Doesn't matter. Yhwach already knows Ultron's arsenal the moment the fight starts and he just prevents him from using any of it.
How?
All Ultron has to do is Time Stop and Almighty has no feats of perceiving stopped time
Anything that is not passive by Ultron won't even get the chance to activate at all.
Feats of Yhwach thinking in time stop please?
Otherwise he cant perceive time stop?

It wouldn't kill him but it would still work
 
Really?

So how viable is ultron's resistance to Fate Hax?
Honestly dont know
Which is why I'm not arguing that he can resist it


The watcher does’t know everything that will or can happen, btw.
Seriously though
Make a CTR
I dont know whether this can be applied accurately or not so make a CTR to limit fate resistance
I hate debating with statistics, abilities and resistances that have yet to be verified and applied
 
Ultron can see across timelines
He would be aware of Yhwach and the Quincies arsenals via viewing the past
Mihigami only grants resistance against Precognition
Doesnt matter if he can see across timelines or view the past since Yhwach is acausal lmao he only exists in the present and it's simply not true that it only grants resistance to precog.

How?
All Ultron has to do is Time Stop and Almighty has no feats of perceiving stopped time
Feats of Yhwach thinking in time stop please?
Otherwise he cant perceive time stop?
The point im making is that Yhwach understands the nature of things he perceives via the almighty which is why he will know Ultron has time hax.

Yhwach does not need to think in time stop because Yhwach prevents Ultron from using it in the first place. Not that he will null a 4-D hax.

Time Stop still needs activation and Yhwach prevents that activation since Ultron himself is not higher dimensional.
 
Really?

So how viable is ultron's resistance to Fate Hax?
Yes, really. It has been contradicted several times story wise. I’ve made this clear several times but it’s been handwaved each time.

Ultrons fate hax is extremely limited. The only reason he has that in his profile is because he sensed the watcher, which caught him off guard. The problem with this is the fact that the mechanics of the watchers cosmic awareness is still a mystery, which was one of the most important parts of the show. We don’t know the mechanics of it, and we know that it doesn’t work all the time, for example he didn’t know whether or not the avengers were gonna defeat Ultron, or whether or not Clint and nat were gonna find zola.

As for time stop (which Ultron has never shown), yhwach would simply swap it out with a timeline in which Ultron didn’t use it
 
The same could be said of Yhwach given he didn't see Uryu smiting him with the Silver Arrow nor could he change the future to make it not happen

Im establishing Range and Speed here
Yhwach teleportation is slow and the range of his teleportation is only Interdimensional
Ultron's teleportation is near-instant and he can go across a multiverse

It's false to try an equate their teleportation when both clearly has limits as to where they can teleport and how far there teleportation can reach

If Ultron successfully nukes the flesh off Yhwach, he can then just go for Soul Steal
And again it's very Controversial Territory to say the Miracle can allow for one to jump into higher Tiers without supporting evidence

Okay
Can Yhwach teleport to different timelines like Ultron???
Can he spam Teleportation as fast and as hard as Ultron can???

This is under the assumption Yhwach can even perceive time stop which he has no feats of
If he looks into the future all he will see is everything that happens WHILE TIME IS IN MOTION not the things tat will happen WHILE TIME IS STOPPED

Is there feats of Yhwach thinking in Time Stop?
Uryu had statements of his power/hax being a counter to his A so not a very good example

Using his portals sure, but by using or combining it with the A he can instantly change locations

Yhwach already has resistance to that and even while dead he can change/rewrite with the A

thats kinda what the A does, he changes timelines, he explains this.
yea, spamming TP is no problem and by using the A that just makes it instant

Ultron needs to activate this ability is not passive, u think YH will stay on the same timeline when suddenly something seems strange?
 
Yes, really. It has been contradicted several times story wise. I’ve made this clear several times but it’s been handwaved each time.

Ultrons fate hax is extremely limited. The only reason he has that in his profile is because he sensed the watcher, which caught him off guard. The problem with this is the fact that the mechanics of the watchers cosmic awareness is still a mystery, which was one of the most important parts of the show. We don’t know the mechanics of it, and we know that it doesn’t work all the time, for example he didn’t know whether or not the avengers were gonna defeat Ultron, or whether or not Clint and nat were gonna find zola.

As for time stop (which Ultron has never shown), yhwach would simply swap it out with a timeline in which Ultron didn’t use it
Uryu had statements of his power/hax being a counter to his A so not a very good example

Using his portals sure, but by using or combining it with the A he can instantly change locations

Yhwach already has resistance to that and even while dead he can change/rewrite with the A

thats kinda what the A does, he changes timelines, he explains this.
yea, spamming TP is no problem and by using the A that just makes it instant

Ultron needs to activate this ability is not passive, u think YH will stay on the same timeline when suddenly something seems strange?
Damn you two are on a roll. Gud stuffs.
 
Doesnt matter if he can see across timelines or view the past since Yhwach is acausal lmao he only exists in the present and it's simply not true that it only grants resistance to precog.
Where the heck Acausal Type 2 anywhere on Yhwach's Profile?
The point im making is that Yhwach understands the nature of things he perceives via the almighty which is why he will know Ultron has time hax.
Okay
But this still doesn't tell me that Ultron can perceive Time Stop
All he will see is everything after time starts again but happens during time stop is something Yhwach cant percieve without feats
Yhwach does not need to think in time stop because Yhwach prevents Ultron from using it in the first place. Not that he will null a 4-D hax.
How will he prevent Ultron from using Time Hax if he cant even perceive its even happening?
Time Stop still needs activation and Yhwach prevents that activation since Ultron himself is not higher dimensional.
Yhwach prevents the activation of stuff he can see in the future
How can prevent the activation of something he cant see nor perceive?

Uryu had statements of his power/hax being a counter to his A so not a very good example
Fair Point
Using his portals sure, but by using or combining it with the A he can instantly change locations
He still cant match Ultron's range
Yhwach already has resistance to that and even while dead he can change/rewrite with the A
Yhwach cant resist a higher power
But Rewriting death is a good argument
Hence why Ultron would need to use Soul Steal

Almighty rewritting stuff when Yhwach soul is snatched is uncharted territory
thats kinda what the A does, he changes timelines, he explains this.
yea, spamming TP is no problem and by using the A that just makes it instant
I'll accept that
Ultron needs to activate this ability is not passive, u think YH will stay on the same timeline when suddenly something seems strange?
Maybe, Maybe not
My point is Yhwach cant perceive Time Stop nor the things that happen in Time Stop
 
Maybe, Maybe not
My point is Yhwach cant perceive Time Stop nor the things that happen in Time Stop
Fight starts (already sees whats going to happen), they dance for a bit, ultron uses time stone, from YH perspective as u put it he would see himself fighting and suddenly dead with no idea what happened

u really think he will stay on the same timeline if he suddenly sees himself dying with no idea how it even happen? and since he sees all possible timelines at once he simply changes it to where that does not happen
 
Fight starts (already sees whats going to happen), they dance for a bit, ultron uses time stone, from YH perspective as u put it he would see himself fighting and suddenly dead with no idea what happened

u really think he will stay on the same timeline if he suddenly sees himself dying with no idea how it even happen? and since he sees all possible timelines at once he simply changes it to where that does not happen
Okay when you put it like that plus the fact he can rewrite his own death
I can see the angle your striking from
 
Honestly this is just gonna loop on and on and on and on and on

For example
Ultron is bloodlust

What if when the fight starts he just spams Galaxy nuke like there is no tomorrow and he doesnt stop till everything is nuked
No matter how much Yhwach changes the future, Ultron will just keep on nuking and Yhwach will keep on changing til the end of time
 
Honestly this is just gonna loop on and on and on and on and on

For example
Ultron is bloodlust

What if when the fight starts he just spams Galaxy nuke like there is no tomorrow and he doesnt stop till everything is nuked
No matter how much Yhwach changes the future, Ultron will just keep on nuking and Yhwach will keep on changing til the end of time
then he could use the B to basically return all of that to ultron

also remember he does not just change the timeline, he can also Rewrite it
 
then he could use the B to basically return all of that to ultron

also remember he does not just change the timeline, he can also Rewrite it
How would B return what is essentially a Galaxy Nuking AoE
There is no possibly way for the Balance to make a AoE that nukes everything just attack Ultron
And even then Ultron can tank the Nuke
 
How would B return what is essentially a Galaxy Nuking AoE
There is no possibly way for the Balance to make a AoE that nukes everything just attack Ultron
And even then Ultron can tank the Nuke
the balance basically makes it so, all the damage directed or received by the user to return to a specific object or person

so if ur stab ur toe u can pass all of that damage, pain etc. to the next person or an object
 
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