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While true it isnt listed as Limited, the justificative of the ability is what matters
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Yhwach vs Ultron (MCU)
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speedster352
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Ultron hasn't used it he still wouldn't be able to interact with the x-axis and Yhwach can clone himself endless with the visionary and give them all his powers so ultron vs dozens of Yhwachs with hax
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speedster352
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How does ultron beat an army yhwach with the same haxes and a strength? Actually yhwach imagines that ultron is defeated and use the almighty as well and it’s a gg. Also he has no counter for the explode sine he will turn into a bomb and explode or yhwach can imagine ultron as a statue.
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Except the Cosmic Awareness allows them to see the Future as well
Remember
"All that will happen and everything that could happen"
In Ultron's case
It extends to the future that will and could happen across a 2-A multiverse
Umm No?
I mean he could but
Ultron can Teleport or Nuke to keep stuff like that away from him
Or just use AoE deconstruction to Wipe the Planet Clean
Cosmic Awareness IN ULTRON'S CASE allows him to see what will and could happen in the future of the multivervse
Yhwach cant teleport on the scale Ultron can
Ultron is bloodlust here, he will just resort to nuking endlessly till he gets it off at some point
Are you saying Yhwach is gonna take a Low 2-C nuke to the face and then rise to meet it, literally taking an infinitely higher tier Jump? Can he also do this Tier 1-C, 1-B or maybe even 1-A? Because the moment you say the Miracle can make Yhwach reach 4-D power status without feats you might as well say he can do so with the other tiers as well
Transfer damage is a great argument actually.
3-D powered RW vs 4-D powered RW?
In Yhwach's case it's less than 10 while in Ultron's case it's Infinite
Ultron can also jump timelines which Yhwach cant do
Word of Staff
No amount of Layered 3-D resistance can negate a Hax coming from a 4-D power source
There was a Q&A covering this
I suppose
Though Ultron has more potent RW
Huh?
Not on a 4-D level
Time Stop gives Ultron an overwhelming advantage as with it Yhwach can't even make a move against Ultron
The Time stone can also rewind time so that would undo any progress Yhwach would have made
Time Stop + Galaxy Nuke
When has the Visionary done this exactly?
Why has this never been done like against ANYONE
Time Stop and Rewind and Teleportation
Explode cant reach him
Again
When has the Visionary ever done this?
YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!!it be like this:
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Can you all PLEASE go easy with the reply speed
I'm just one mortal
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Simple, Yhwach avoids and absorbs. There’s really nothing that Ultron can do to counter this
There are still specifications for why someone has a specific ranking, therefore Ultron doesn’t have proper specifications that prove he can avoid Yhwach’s hax.
Or Yhwach just absorbs him, that too
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Absorption is contact based
How is that gonna happen when Ultron spams teleportation like there is no tomorrow and galaxy nukes like it's Carnival
Plus there is always time stop which Yhwach has no answer to
At this point im no longer arguing that Ultron resists but can sorta work his away around it
How does touch based absorption get passed Thought based AP Nuke, Teleportation and Time Stop?
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YH has many absorption powers, its not just touch one
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The only other one I'm aware of is the one that only his to absorb spiritual matter and beings made of reishi
Which Ultron is not
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The cosmic awareness of ultron is not exactly the best considering he cant see everything that could or will happen, just some stuff and even them is not perfect
both teleport to different dimensions/universes, the amount does not really matter considering
no? miracle gives the user Low godly regen, he can keep nuking but he can keep coming back and via the miracle he will just increase his own power
"less than 10" u know the amount does not matter right? teleportation is still teleportation, YH can just as easily TP to different dimensions/universes as ultron does
YH can use his precog before ultron even thinks of using the time stone
and YH can change the timeline to where ultron does not use that
Precog change timeline to where he does not use time stop or precog+ taking the hit dying, regen via low godly, returning better than before. or using the balance to return the damage.
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reishi is just matter but for spirits and if we using verse = that would mean that all matter has reishi on it
ye, he has more than the touch and the Sklaveri one
Yomi_Schwarz
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For the record, Cosmic Awareness (or any kind of sensory abilities) won't help Ultron here.
Yhwach has his own cosmic awareness with the Almighty and he was still not able to discern anything that concerns the Mimihagi since it was acausal and evaded his sight.
Yhwach has absorbed the Mimihagi and subjugated its existence with him.
So no, Ultron has no way of knowing what Yhwach does/can do.
Yhwach has his own cosmic awareness with the Almighty and he was still not able to discern anything that concerns the Mimihagi since it was acausal and evaded his sight.
Yhwach has absorbed the Mimihagi and subjugated its existence with him.
So no, Ultron has no way of knowing what Yhwach does/can do.
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What's the current verdict? I wasn't able to join the discussion early enough to catch up lmao.
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The same could be said of Yhwach given he didn't see Uryu smiting him with the Silver Arrow nor could he change the future to make it not happen
Im establishing Range and Speed here
Yhwach teleportation is slow and the range of his teleportation is only Interdimensional
Ultron's teleportation is near-instant and he can go across a multiverse
It's false to try an equate their teleportation when both clearly has limits as to where they can teleport and how far there teleportation can reach
If Ultron successfully nukes the flesh off Yhwach, he can then just go for Soul Steal
And again it's very Controversial Territory to say the Miracle can allow for one to jump into higher Tiers without supporting evidence
Okay
Can Yhwach teleport to different timelines like Ultron???
Can he spam Teleportation as fast and as hard as Ultron can???
This is under the assumption Yhwach can even perceive time stop which he has no feats of
If he looks into the future all he will see is everything that happens WHILE TIME IS IN MOTION not the things tat will happen WHILE TIME IS STOPPED
To say that Yhwach can perceive stopped time and things that happen IN STOPPED TIME is going to need supporing evidence
Is there feats of Yhwach thinking in Time Stop?
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this Yhwach version has no Flesh
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He still has a soul though
Also I was being exaggerative (a bit)
Yomi_Schwarz
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By wiki standards, that's PIS.
Yhwach is non-corporeal also lol at going soul vs. soul against Bleach.
Doesn't matter. Yhwach already knows Ultron's arsenal the moment the fight starts and he just prevents him from using any of it.
Anything that is not passive by Ultron won't even get the chance to activate at all.
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The watcher does’t know everything that will or can happen, btw.
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Ultron can see across timelines
He would be aware of Yhwach and the Quincies arsenals via viewing the past
Mihigami only grants resistance against Precognition
Or Yhwach just dropped the ball or Tite Kubo wrote himself into a plothole
Either way Yhwach's Almighty was beaten
4-D powered Soul Hax vs Numerous Layers of 3-D Soul Hax Resistances
The Winner is clear
How?
All Ultron has to do is Time Stop and Almighty has no feats of perceiving stopped time
Feats of Yhwach thinking in time stop please?
Otherwise he cant perceive time stop?
It wouldn't kill him but it would still work
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Honestly dont know
Which is why I'm not arguing that he can resist it
Seriously though
Make a CTR
I dont know whether this can be applied accurately or not so make a CTR to limit fate resistance
I hate debating with statistics, abilities and resistances that have yet to be verified and applied
Yomi_Schwarz
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Doesnt matter if he can see across timelines or view the past since Yhwach is acausal lmao he only exists in the present and it's simply not true that it only grants resistance to precog.
The point im making is that Yhwach understands the nature of things he perceives via the almighty which is why he will know Ultron has time hax.
Yhwach does not need to think in time stop because Yhwach prevents Ultron from using it in the first place. Not that he will null a 4-D hax.
Time Stop still needs activation and Yhwach prevents that activation since Ultron himself is not higher dimensional.
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Yes, really. It has been contradicted several times story wise. I’ve made this clear several times but it’s been handwaved each time.
Ultrons fate hax is extremely limited. The only reason he has that in his profile is because he sensed the watcher, which caught him off guard. The problem with this is the fact that the mechanics of the watchers cosmic awareness is still a mystery, which was one of the most important parts of the show. We don’t know the mechanics of it, and we know that it doesn’t work all the time, for example he didn’t know whether or not the avengers were gonna defeat Ultron, or whether or not Clint and nat were gonna find zola.
As for time stop (which Ultron has never shown), yhwach would simply swap it out with a timeline in which Ultron didn’t use it
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Uryu had statements of his power/hax being a counter to his A so not a very good example
Using his portals sure, but by using or combining it with the A he can instantly change locations
Yhwach already has resistance to that and even while dead he can change/rewrite with the A
thats kinda what the A does, he changes timelines, he explains this.
yea, spamming TP is no problem and by using the A that just makes it instant
Ultron needs to activate this ability is not passive, u think YH will stay on the same timeline when suddenly something seems strange?
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if they talking bout the version i think they are, YH is pure energy, basically a blob of darkness
incorporeal comes from him turning into a being of pure energy/darkness
Yomi_Schwarz
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Damn you two are on a roll. Gud stuffs.
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Where the heck Acausal Type 2 anywhere on Yhwach's Profile?
Okay
But this still doesn't tell me that Ultron can perceive Time Stop
All he will see is everything after time starts again but happens during time stop is something Yhwach cant percieve without feats
How will he prevent Ultron from using Time Hax if he cant even perceive its even happening?
Yhwach prevents the activation of stuff he can see in the future
How can prevent the activation of something he cant see nor perceive?
Fair Point
He still cant match Ultron's range
Yhwach cant resist a higher power
But Rewriting death is a good argument
Hence why Ultron would need to use Soul Steal
Almighty rewritting stuff when Yhwach soul is snatched is uncharted territory
I'll accept that
Maybe, Maybe not
My point is Yhwach cant perceive Time Stop nor the things that happen in Time Stop
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Fight starts (already sees whats going to happen), they dance for a bit, ultron uses time stone, from YH perspective as u put it he would see himself fighting and suddenly dead with no idea what happened
u really think he will stay on the same timeline if he suddenly sees himself dying with no idea how it even happen? and since he sees all possible timelines at once he simply changes it to where that does not happen
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na, been a while since i had a debate actually
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Okay when you put it like that plus the fact he can rewrite his own death
I can see the angle your striking from
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Honestly this is just gonna loop on and on and on and on and on
For example
Ultron is bloodlust
What if when the fight starts he just spams Galaxy nuke like there is no tomorrow and he doesnt stop till everything is nuked
No matter how much Yhwach changes the future, Ultron will just keep on nuking and Yhwach will keep on changing til the end of time
For example
Ultron is bloodlust
What if when the fight starts he just spams Galaxy nuke like there is no tomorrow and he doesnt stop till everything is nuked
No matter how much Yhwach changes the future, Ultron will just keep on nuking and Yhwach will keep on changing til the end of time
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then he could use the B to basically return all of that to ultron
also remember he does not just change the timeline, he can also Rewrite it
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How would B return what is essentially a Galaxy Nuking AoE
There is no possibly way for the Balance to make a AoE that nukes everything just attack Ultron
And even then Ultron can tank the Nuke
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the balance basically makes it so, all the damage directed or received by the user to return to a specific object or person
so if ur stab ur toe u can pass all of that damage, pain etc. to the next person or an object
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