Yhwach vs Ultron (MCU)

[Ss3micah]

HOW DID I NOT SEE THIS???

All this time I thought Ultron was IC Lolol

 

[speedster352]

Using SBA means that yhwach has all the schrfits so their is not counter to reality-warping(visionary) low godly regeneration and reactive evolution nd reactive power level(the miracle and the death-dealing) and intangibility even to soul reapers(x-axis)

 

[speedster352]

Bruh, I think this is a valid match with "all mighty gg" and "soul crush gg" not here?


Seeing everything that has happened, will happen and could have happened of the entire 2A multiverse is extremely limited and inferior to all mighty?

So does yhwach have all the schrifts or this match will be a stomp

 

[Bernkastelll]

Ultron will continually and endlessly spam Time Hax, Galaxy Nukes, Soul Hax, Mind Hax and Death Hax

The Almighty making him immune to most of it:

 

[Ss3micah]

Using SBA means that yhwach has all the schrfits so their is not counter to reality-warping(visionary) low godly regeneration and reactive evolution nd reactive power level(the miracle and the death-dealing) and intangibility even to soul reapers(x-axis)

Okay but
Is SBA used in a case Yhwach Key is specifically mentioned?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Okay but
Is SBA used in a case Yhwach Key is specifically mentioned?

I'm pretty sure he absorbed all the schrifts when he became SK

 

[Ss3micah]

The Almighty making him immune to most of it:

Almighty doesn't make Yhwach immune to vastly superior AP
Otherwise you could argue Low 1-C can't scratch Yhwach so long as he can see it

 

[speedster352]

I'm pretty sure he absorbed all the schrifts when he became SK

Exactly so he can use them especially when bloodlusted

 

[Ss3micah]

I'm pretty sure he absorbed all the schrifts when he became SK

Ohhhh
Point Taken and Accepted in that case

 

[Rabbit2002]

So does yhwach have all the schrifts or this match will be a stomp

I'm not sure. But certainly things like copy power won't work on Ultron since it's NLF. Ultron is pretty broken if he knows how to use and spam all the power of infinity stones (bloodlusted for this)

 

[speedster352]

Using SBA means that yhwach has all the schrfits so their is not counter to reality-warping(visionary) low godly regeneration and reactive evolution nd reactive power level(the miracle and the death-dealing) and intangibility even to soul reapers(x-axis)

Any counters?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Just by activiting The Almighty he could take the powers of all the Sternitters, so, there is no reason that his Soul King key, which already had The Almighty, can't use the schrifts

 

[speedster352]

Actually yhwach can turn ultron into reshi with Sklaveri and absorb him since he is bloodlusted

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Likely given Ultron has Enhanced Senses and ESP on a Multiversal scale and the Soul Stone which allows its users to see and affect souls

Fair enough I suppose

 

[Ss3micah]

How does Yhwach counter mind Hax?
If looks into the future all he see is himself already under control

 

[Bernkastelll]

How does Yhwach counter mind Hax?
If looks into the future all he see is himself already under control

The same reason that allows him to Resurrect, he can see him dead and just use The Almighty to counter it

 

[speedster352]

How does Yhwach counter mind Hax?
If looks into the future all he see is himself already under control

And he will change his fate since that is not 4d

 

[Ss3micah]

Actually yhwach can turn ultron into reshi with Sklaveri and absorb him since he is bloodlusted

A Quincy technique that allows the user to control Reishi in the most absolute of ways, enslaving it outright. This powerful ability allows them to completely tear apart and dissolve spiritual objects and beings, drawing upon this and even absorbing this Reishi to temporarily gain the abilities of beings destroyed in this way.

So
1. Is Ultron a Spiritual Being Made of Reishi?
2. What part of this implies Yhwach turns Ultron into Reishi when he isn't made out of it to begin with?
3. It gets countered by Time Stone or Teleportation

 

[Ss3micah]

The same reason that allows him to Resurrect, he can see him dead and just use The Almighty to counter it

Fair Enough I suppose

 

[speedster352]

Yhwach wincons are absorption, durability negation with he schrfits, bfr, the almighty, EE with yama's bankai and power mimicry and low goldy regeneration and intangibility even to soul reapers.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Ultron cannot affect Yhwach with X-Axis kek

 

[Ss3micah]

Yhwach wincons are absorption

Likely can't happen cause Cosmic Awareness and Clairvoyance plus Time Stone for Time Stop, Teleportation and Galaxy Nuke to keep Yhwach at a distance at all times

durability negation with he schrfits

This works but can be countered by Reality Stone

, bfr

No place you can send Ultron where he can't come back from assuming this worked

the almighty

Solid Wincon (in a way)

EE with yama's bankai

Reality Stone counters

and power mimicry

Can't mimic 4-D powers

and low goldy regeneration

Soul Stealing and Soul Hax counters

and intangibility even to soul reapers.

This works I suppose

 

[Ss3micah]

Ultron cannot affect Yhwach with X-Axis kek

Yhwach wincons are absorption, durability negation with he schrfits, bfr, the almighty, EE with yama's bankai and power mimicry and low goldy regeneration and intangibility even to soul reapers.

You guys are fun Lolol

 

[Ss3micah]

Ultron cannot affect Yhwach with X-Axis kek

Soul Hax/Death Hax would still woud still be effective

 

[Rabbit2002]

Ultron has his own Precognition. Help him see all possible futures of any event (with 14 million possible futures for 1 war)
And low godly Regen won't matter. Ultron can deconstructe him (it doesn't kill but if repeated repeatedly it is incap), time loop/stop him, petrify him or merge him with stone, death hax him and mind hax him
Also yhwach's low godly depends on the surrounding reishi/matter? If so, the ultron just needs to nuke the entire universe and call it day
I don't see how All mighty work there since Precognition is just subset of clairvoyance which ultron already resistance (see Future mean nothing since ultron resist Watcher's abilities to see all of past and future in 2A multiverse)

 

[Bernkastelll]

Soul Hax/Death Hax would still woud still be effective

Soul Hax doesnt affect X-Axis as it was almost impossible to interact with Lille


how is yhwach going to die if he lacks a physical body kek? the coventional death hax cannot affect him

 

[speedster352]

Soul Hax doesnt affect X-Axis as it was almost impossible to interact with Lille


how is yhwach going to die if he lacks a physical body kek? the coventional death hax cannot affect him

Also Yhwach has extreme soul resistance

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

I'm pretty sure Yhwach already absorbed the Schriff when he became Soul King, @TOAAPRESENCE1 ?

yea, after his fight with ichigo he absorbed the remaining guys and those alive yet (gerald etc.) and all the people who died previously he already absorb

 

[speedster352]

Since I can't copy all the abilties here is Yhwach's profile

 

[Swerzye29038]

Bruh, I think this is a valid match with "all mighty gg" and "soul crush gg" not here?


Seeing everything that has happened, will happen and could have happened of the entire 2A multiverse is extremely limited and inferior to all mighty?

Once again, stop arguing this

The Watcher does not know every outcome of every event in all of reality. He did not know whether or not Clint and nat were gonna find Zola, and he was unsure if they were even gonna win against Ultron. This idea that the watcher has cosmic awareness over any possible reality is flat out incorrect plot wise and shouldn’t even be considered in this battle.

Not sure what impact that would have on the debate

You brought up the cosmic awareness of Ultron and the watcher initially, which is what I was responding to. But yes, I agree, this has no impact on the fact that Yhwach wins either way

Why doesn't Ultron have limited fate resistance then?

it doesn’t need to be listed on his profile for it to be true. We can visibly observe that he has limited fate resistance by watching the show, since the watcher has limited cosmic awareness, which is the reason Ultron has “fate resistance” on his profile in the first place. Once again provide proof that Ultron can somehow negate almighty

Galaxy Nuke

Yhwach sees that event and avoids it

Even if Yhwach rewrites the Future to another Future Ultron fan still resort to Galaxy Nuke

Yhwach negates that attack with reactive evolution, or he could simply avoid it again

 

[speedster352]

Since I can't copy all the abilties here is Yhwach's profile

So yhwach also has reactive evolution and reactive power level so also the explode will turn ultron to a bomb and he will explode. Yhwach can use the visionary to make an army of himself to overwhelm ultron so yhwach outhaxes ultron.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Cosmic awareness does not work as in telling u what hax a person is using, it simply helps you know what is happeing (Ex: person 1 farted and so on, it does not work like precog)

 

[Bernkastelll]

Cosmic Awareness = clairvoyance in a big scale, that's it

 

[speedster352]

Yeah Yhwach wins this since ultron cannot counter all yhwach hax(the schrifts as well)

 

[speedster352]

Can't yhwach just control ultron with the cumpolsurary?

 

[Ss3micah]

Soul Hax doesnt affect X-Axis as it was almost impossible to interact with Lille


how is yhwach going to die if he lacks a physical body kek? the coventional death hax cannot affect him

This has to be like the 7th good point you have made which I can't counter Lolol
GG Bern

 

[Bernkastelll]

can't Yhwach just acess weird **** sites and it starts to send viruses to Ultron?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Likely can't happen cause Cosmic Awareness and Clairvoyance plus Time Stone for Time Stop, Teleportation and Galaxy Nuke to keep Yhwach at a distance at all times

This works but can be countered by Reality Stone

No place you can send Ultron where he can't come back from assuming this worked

Solid Wincon (in a way)

Reality Stone counters

Can't mimic 4-D powers

Soul Stealing and Soul Hax counters

This works I suppose

1. Cosmic awareness is not precog, it just helps knowing whats going on not what will happen, YH also has teleportation, With the A he can change or rewrite it so that ultron had not used the nuke, and if he does not, he can simply take the hit and become stronger, bigger and faster due to Miracle, or simply transfer the damage to ultron via Balance

2. YH also has reality hax via visionary

3. both have TP across different dimensions ye

4. u know YH has recistance to soul hax right?

5. he can counter via A or V

6. But 3D can

7. YH has both of them and resistance to them

 

[Ss3micah]

Also Yhwach has extreme soul resistance

FYI
No amount of layers of a 3-D resistance can counter a 4-D hax

You brought up the cosmic awareness of Ultron and the watcher initially, which is what I was responding to. But yes, I agree, this has no impact on the fact that Yhwach wins either way

Explain how?

it doesn’t need to be listed on his profile for it to be true. We can visibly observe that he has limited fate resistance by watching the show, since the watcher has limited cosmic awareness, which is the reason Ultron has “fate resistance” on his profile in the first place. Once again provide proof that Ultron can somehow negate almighty

The Way standards work is that we use whatever is on the profile as it is. No more nor less
To treat it as limited a CTR is in order

Yhwach sees that event and avoids it

Yhwach negates that attack with reactive evolution, or he could simply avoid it again

And they keep looping for all eternity

 

[Ss3micah]

So yhwach also has reactive evolution and reactive power level so also the explode will turn ultron to a bomb and he will explode. Yhwach can use the visionary to make an army of himself to overwhelm ultron so yhwach outhaxes ultron.

Time stop prevents any of this from happening