Yhwach vs Goetia

[Paul_Frank]

What the

Well since he is only high 6-A with AAS and you can't make the list using only a single attack I guess rip this match

Grand Caster still wins though ovo

 

[Warren_Valion]

What the
Well since he is only high 6-A with AAS and you can't make the list using only a single attack I guess rip this match

Grand Caster still wins though ovo

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Funny since Yhwach is getting downgraded anyway, I wonder how he will do in his new tier?


Until you get that Type 8 immortality for Grand Caster, then Yhwach crushes boiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

 

[Paul_Frank]

Who knows, probably pretty good

He already has resurrection and Ars Paulina is mentioned on his profile, under pocket reality manipulation and his notable attacks but his profile seems to be missing a few thing, like the fact he ends up there upon death or the fact that he literally can't die unless Solomon is deleted

 

[Warren_Valion]

Who knows, probably pretty good
He already has resurrection and Ars Paulina is mentioned on his profile, under pocket reality manipulation and his notable attacks but his profile seems to be missing a few thing, like the fact he ends up there upon death or the fact that he literally can't die unless Solomon is deleted

Then I guess inconclusive it is, via them both teleporting out of the battlefield which is going to get blown up.

What a werid ass character.

 

[Paul_Frank]

If the earth is wiped in the past Yhwach never exists in the present. He doesn't have type 1 acausality to my knowledge so he gets paradoxed

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Goetia doesn't even need his Incineration of Humanity plan here. He just passively BFR's Yhwach into purgatory, or just summons a demon god into the past to kill off the quincy blood line, or better yet place a demon god into Yhwach's bloodline and just take him over by his time trap bullshittery. I don't know what Yhwach's way around his type 8 is either

 

[Warren_Valion]

If the earth is wiped in the past Yhwach never exists in the present. He doesn't have type 1 acausality to my knowledge so he gets paradoxed

Yeah, but SBA makes it so that this fight takes place in a neutral universe in which neither Goetia and Yhwach belong - the real world. Yhwach wouldn't have a past in this world if that's the case, no?

And if AAS destroys the planet simultaneously in the past, present, and future as the description on Goetia's profile states, then Yhwach will see it coming in the future and GTFO off the planet before Goetia casts the attack.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Goetia doesn't even need his Incineration of Humanity plan here. He just passively BFR's Yhwach into purgatory, or just summons a demon god into the past to kill off the quincy blood line, or better yet place a demon god into Yhwach's bloodline and just take him over by his time trap bullshittery. I don't know what Yhwach's way around his type 8 is either

Isn't AAS his first move?

And again, Type 8 should be added to Goetia's profile if he has it.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

AAS is if he is serious, but he technically has the set up ahead of time. If he wants to give his enemies a bit of gratification he may go for other stuff. Technically the singularities are the product of what i said above. Goetia is the collective of the demon gods, so he has it by extension of them having it

 

[AnonymousBlank]

What exactly makes Yhwach get soul ripped here? What feats does Goetia even have to do that?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Am I missing something or Gotei can't see Yhwach? On his profile I don't see extrasensory perception or whatever.

Also Yhwach can just cut off his head, Yhwach regen negation up to low godly via Aizen.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

What exactly makes Yhwach get soul ripped here? What feats does Goetia even have to do that?

He has the passive curse that if anyone looks at him or mentions him they get their body and soul sent to Purgatory

 

[Paul_Frank]

Am I missing something or Gotei can't see Yhwach? On his profile I don't see extrasensory perception or whatever.
Also Yhwach can just cut off his head, Yhwach regen negation up to low godly via Aizen.

Ars Paulina and resurrection say hello

Pretty sure Goetia can see servants in their spirit forms along with seeing the actual souls he rips out

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Am I missing something or Gotei can't see Yhwach? On his profile I don't see extrasensory perception or whatever.
Also Yhwach can just cut off his head, Yhwach regen negation up to low godly via Aizen.

Ars Paulina and resurrection say hello
Pretty sure Goetia can see servants in their spirit forms along with seeing the actual souls he rips out

Ressurection is about low-godly, Yhwach will then absorb his body in every way.

Okay but are they invisible? if they are then it's fine I suppose.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I get what the curse does but what feats does it have to say that Yhwach will even be affected when people literally billions of times weaker can resist getting soul ripped by a move that works on dozens to hundreds of people?

 

[Warren_Valion]

Oh, I forgot that Yhwach has absorption, that might work.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Am I missing something or Gotei can't see Yhwach? On his profile I don't see extrasensory perception or whatever.
Also Yhwach can just cut off his head, Yhwach regen negation up to low godly via Aizen.

Goetia can percieve servants in servant form, and his borderline omniscience as well. It's also missing the actual descriptions of what his different divisions of demon God pillars do, but one of them keep track of almost all of time and space as well.

Phenex's resurrection let it come back from being erased like to never existed. Goetia should be capable of something on a similar level as long as he still has the powers of Solomon

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I get what the curse does but what feats does it have to say that Yhwach will even be affected when people literally billions of times weaker can resist getting soul ripped by a move that works on dozens to hundreds of people?

Just from the fact that the curse works across all of time is already some proof enough. It took Ruler Sherlock Holmes with a passive noble Phantasm that literally make the impossible possible to even find information around the curse but was still could not say Goetia's name after he had deduced his identity without falling to its effects.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Oh, I forgot that Yhwach has absorption, that might work.

Great, now it isn't a stomp but just a landslide win for Goetia

 

[Warren_Valion]

Oh, I forgot that Yhwach has absorption, that might work.

Great, now it isn't a stomp but just a landslide win for Goetia

Well, Yhwach can see his attacks not working on Goetia from the future and just absorb him immediately.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Goetia travels back to the past and scorches the earth before he absorbs

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

@Warren

Very nice idea but Goetia literally drops a demon God pillar in the Quincy bloodline just to start the incineration of humanity, after he wonders to himself why he hadn't done that already

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Quincy Bloodline?

You mean the literal Soul King?

 

[Warren_Valion]

@Warren
Very nice idea but Goetia literally drops a demon God pillar in the Quincy bloodline just to start the incineration of humanity, after he wonders to himself why he hadn't done that already

I'm getting conflicting points of view on this character's mindset.

Also lol, Yhwach is the progenitor of the Quincy bloodline - there is no one in the Quincy bloodline before him.

And how would that stop him from being absorbed nearly instantly at the start of the fight?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Yes, I do. Iirc the current soul king isn't the first soul king so he just drops a demon God pillar in with one of the earlier ones

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Yes, I do. Iirc the current soul king isn't the first soul king so he just drops a demon God pillar in with one of the earlier ones

There has only been 1 soul king prior to Yhwach, and that was his father.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

The current SK is Yhwach. The previous one is supposed to be his dad or something

 

[Warren_Valion]

You are talking about this power, right?

"Evocation:A magecraft that allows for the summoning of spiritual bodies from the past, present, and possibly even the future. While Goetia cannot summon Heroic Spirits or normal familiars, he can freely summon the 72 demons that acted as Solomon's familiars and became the Beast Goetia, as if projecting Solomon's inner demons onto the World. These seventy two demons are the Demon God Pillars of the Ars Goetia, and each one is powerful enough to match entire teams of Servants.

After Solomon's death, Goetia placed a curse on the Magic Crests of seventy-two magi bloodlines, which would ultimately cause the bearer of the Crest to be suddenly taken over by one of the Demon Gods after a set amount of time had passed, allowing his Servants to appear over the course of the next three thousand years so that he could enact his plan. All seventy-two Demon Gods reappear in the final singularity, forming separate bases administered by nine pillars, with Goetia acting as the Control Center."

This doesn't sound nearly as instantaneous as you are making it out to be.

Also, isn't the Soul King out of Goetia's range here.

Also also, why would he use this ability out of all of his others?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Oh cool. I guess he just implants a magic Crest into the soul king then

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Oh cool. I guess he just implants a magic Crest into the soul king the

That's not going to work out for Goetia if he goes back about 1,000,000 to 100,000,000 years.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

He is doing that how? Prime SK is literally SK Yhwach but better and neither have Magic Crests nor pass on a Crest. That won't work

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

First off, it may not be Goetia who goes back, it may be Lev or one of his other agents. Second, Goetia's borderline omniscience will tell him the best time and place to implant the crest

 

[Paul_Frank]

Would absorbtion even help against Goetia since he can just resurrect and can't be killed unless the temple is destroyed and solomon dies?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

If he absorbs Solomon's corpse that Goetia is proping up then that gives him a bunch of options. Hell, if he takes all the powers of the corpse he may even wipe the floor with Goetia but the probability of Goetia actually letting that happen is incredibly low

 

[Warren_Valion]

First off, it may not be Goetia who goes back, it may be Lev or one of his other agents. Second, Goetia's borderline omniscience will tell him the best time and place to implant the crest

His Clarvoriance gets negated by Yhwach's resistance to being viewed at in the future and present. And the fact that this is a neutral universe means they both don't have a past in this world, that being the real world.

If someone else goes and tries to kill Yhwach or the Soul King - wouldn't that be outside help?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Pretty sure Warren already brought up the fact that its a neutral verse but there is also no oppurtunity as putting it on the SK won't do anything and Yhwach or basically anyone around him will slap any agent who attempts to.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

First off, it may not be Goetia who goes back, it may be Lev or one of his other agents. Second, Goetia's borderline omniscience will tell him the best time and place to implant the crest

Almost omnicence is irrelevant since he doesn't have Nigh-Omnisience on his profile lol. I might as well call Yhwach's dad omipotent and omniscent since that's what everyone calls him lol.

And i'm pretty sure none of what you listed is going to happened faster then Yhwach just using Almighty and just absorbing Goetia who has no resistance. This can all happened like in a couple seconds max.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

@Warren I am pretty sure he can view other people with accausality who naturally resist precog, so that isn't exactly an issue.

Nah, cuz his agents are just other forms of the demon God pillars and are therefore just his summons, so not outside help

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

If he absorbs Solomon's corpse that Goetia is proping up then that gives him a bunch of options. Hell, if he takes all the powers of the corpse he may even wipe the floor with Goetia but the probability of Goetia actually letting that happen is incredibly low

You're forgetting Almighty has fate manipulation and is instant and Yhwach has resistance to pre-cog that is future based so Goetia won't see anything that involves the future.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Time travel is faster than the absorbtion would be.

AAS in the past would stop Yhwach from existing in the present i'm pretty sure even though it's a neutral verse time travelers are given the ability to kill someone in the past because otherwise time travel is literally useless

Even if Yhwach absorbs Solomon's corpse in order to kill Goetia he would have to use Ars Nova and delete himself

Also even B luck servants can manipulate their own fate