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I'm sure we're all tired of discussing about Medaka Box, but there are still some things that need to be fixed. I hope I can point all of them in this thread so we can finally put an end to this. While the first 2 points are the most important ones, the other ones are fortunately just minor hax revisions that should get accepted easily, so maybe we can hope things don't escalate as much as usual... maybe.
Well, let's get started.
1. The current 8-A and 8-B tiers are probably incorrect, as they scale from Nienami slicing a battleship in half. That was actually an hax feat rather than an AP feat, so it should get removed. I posted two feats in the calculation request thread (you can find more information about the feats in the comments), but since I obviously don't want to force anyone to calculate them now I think we should put the characters as "Unknown" until someone takes time to calculate them (or better feats, if there are any).
2. "The Hero" should be banned from vsthreads against characters who don't have any counter to it. We already have a note that says it shouldn't be used, but people seem to ignore that pretty often, so it would be better to just ban it entirely. There are multiple reasons for this. Ther first is that the skill is not just something that makes the opponent act in a dumb way like some people seem to think. The Hero is "someone that is already decided to be the winner" and "there's nobody in the world who can defeat her", as the entire series follows a "plot > fictional powers" logic. You could say "But that's NLF!" but that's exactly my point. "The Hero" is the epitome of NLF, therefore it should be banned. Normally we could just scale it to its best showing, but in this case The Hero scales to a character whose tier is unknown in the first place (Ajimu), so we can't put any "realistic" limit to it either. Another reason is that everytime Medaka has it in a fight the thread usually gets out of hand and it sometimes generates hostility too, and the entire thread becomes an infinite repetition of "Medaka can be haxed because The Hero has no showings" vs "Medaka is superior to Ajimu so 3D hax won't be able to defeat her". Last but not least, Iihiko is basically the embodiment of "The Hero" and he's banned. Allowing Medaka to use what makes Iihiko what he is doesn't make any sense.
3. Every Style user should have Word Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Vibration Manipulation and Power Granting (style can be lent to other people). This was already accepted for Medaka, we just forgot to add it to other style users.
4. Joutou Kotobuki currently has "Necromancy" on her profile. That's probably because she resurrected Zenkichi by bringing his body back to how it was 2 days before Iihiko killed him. I believe that doesn't qualify as Necromancy, but Resuscitation (limited, since she said that the effect would wear off with time). She should also have pseudo-Healing (she reversed the irreversible wounds dealt by Iihiko) and Time Reversal.
5. Style doesn't work on frenzied enemies, and it's implied to be ineffective against beings that are not able to communicate. It should probably be added to every Style user profile as a weakness.
6. Stamina lost against Iihiko doesn't recover, exactly like damage. I don't know if there's a page for this kind of power, but we should probably mention it in his profile.
7. Iihiko should have a possibly 5-C rating as well, scaling from Medaka.
8. IIihiko's note that states "attacks only work on him once before they break" is incorrect. Using the same attack twice seems to be simply uneffective. The attack reflection has nothing to do with it and it's never suggested that it only works on attacks he already experienced. The note should be removed.
9. Medaka can accurately control the vibration from her attacks. This was done before she learned to use her style so we should put a note under her Vibration Manipulation.
10. Medaka and Hinokage should have Perception Manipulation with Unknown Hero.
11. Medaka should have Resistance to Sealing, scaling from Kumagawa (since Kumagawa can resist sealing simply because he has Bookmaker, Medaka should be able to do the same thing with 120% Bookmaker).
I hope I didn't forget anything so we can finally end this.
Well, let's get started.
1. The current 8-A and 8-B tiers are probably incorrect, as they scale from Nienami slicing a battleship in half. That was actually an hax feat rather than an AP feat, so it should get removed. I posted two feats in the calculation request thread (you can find more information about the feats in the comments), but since I obviously don't want to force anyone to calculate them now I think we should put the characters as "Unknown" until someone takes time to calculate them (or better feats, if there are any).
2. "The Hero" should be banned from vsthreads against characters who don't have any counter to it. We already have a note that says it shouldn't be used, but people seem to ignore that pretty often, so it would be better to just ban it entirely. There are multiple reasons for this. Ther first is that the skill is not just something that makes the opponent act in a dumb way like some people seem to think. The Hero is "someone that is already decided to be the winner" and "there's nobody in the world who can defeat her", as the entire series follows a "plot > fictional powers" logic. You could say "But that's NLF!" but that's exactly my point. "The Hero" is the epitome of NLF, therefore it should be banned. Normally we could just scale it to its best showing, but in this case The Hero scales to a character whose tier is unknown in the first place (Ajimu), so we can't put any "realistic" limit to it either. Another reason is that everytime Medaka has it in a fight the thread usually gets out of hand and it sometimes generates hostility too, and the entire thread becomes an infinite repetition of "Medaka can be haxed because The Hero has no showings" vs "Medaka is superior to Ajimu so 3D hax won't be able to defeat her". Last but not least, Iihiko is basically the embodiment of "The Hero" and he's banned. Allowing Medaka to use what makes Iihiko what he is doesn't make any sense.
3. Every Style user should have Word Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Vibration Manipulation and Power Granting (style can be lent to other people). This was already accepted for Medaka, we just forgot to add it to other style users.
4. Joutou Kotobuki currently has "Necromancy" on her profile. That's probably because she resurrected Zenkichi by bringing his body back to how it was 2 days before Iihiko killed him. I believe that doesn't qualify as Necromancy, but Resuscitation (limited, since she said that the effect would wear off with time). She should also have pseudo-Healing (she reversed the irreversible wounds dealt by Iihiko) and Time Reversal.
5. Style doesn't work on frenzied enemies, and it's implied to be ineffective against beings that are not able to communicate. It should probably be added to every Style user profile as a weakness.
6. Stamina lost against Iihiko doesn't recover, exactly like damage. I don't know if there's a page for this kind of power, but we should probably mention it in his profile.
7. Iihiko should have a possibly 5-C rating as well, scaling from Medaka.
8. IIihiko's note that states "attacks only work on him once before they break" is incorrect. Using the same attack twice seems to be simply uneffective. The attack reflection has nothing to do with it and it's never suggested that it only works on attacks he already experienced. The note should be removed.
9. Medaka can accurately control the vibration from her attacks. This was done before she learned to use her style so we should put a note under her Vibration Manipulation.
10. Medaka and Hinokage should have Perception Manipulation with Unknown Hero.
11. Medaka should have Resistance to Sealing, scaling from Kumagawa (since Kumagawa can resist sealing simply because he has Bookmaker, Medaka should be able to do the same thing with 120% Bookmaker).
I hope I didn't forget anything so we can finally end this.
