Yellow Hedgehog Swordsman VS Yellow Monke Swordsman (CONCLUDED)

[deonment]

neither do I

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Sonic games tend to happen chronologically right? So id assume that forces is after black knight

Black Knight takes place after Unleashed, Forces takes place after Generations, Lost World and Mania due to Zavok and the Phantom Ruby's existence there.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Sonic games tend to happen chronologically right? So id assume that forces is after black knight

Not necessarily. CD happens before Sonic 2 for example, as Tails is nowhere to be found

Sonic 4 apperantly happens after Sonic 3 & K too

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Not necessarily. CD happens before Sonic 2 for example, as Tails is nowhere to be found

Sonic 4 apperantly happens after Sonic 3 & K too

Is Sonic 4 still even canon at this point? since Sega officially cancelled that game after episode 2 and Sonic Maina doesn't reference it at all even tho it's shown as the next game chronologically after S3&K in the lift scene.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Is Sonic 4 still even canon at this point? since Sega officially cancelled that game after episode 2 and Sonic Maina doesn't reference it at all even tho it's shown as the next game chronologically after S3&K in the lift scene.

Honestly, I don't even know. Though nobody cares about Sonic 4 so maybe Sega de-canonized it

Also, Sonic 4 could happen after the split in Generations, which explains why the other Classic Sonic never experienced the game

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Honestly, I don't even know. Though nobody cares about Sonic 4 so maybe Sega de-canonized it

Also, Sonic 4 could happen after the split in Generations, which explains why the other Classic Sonic never experienced the game

I hope I'm not derailing but has Sega or any official Sonic sources confirmed that timeline split as canon?

Either way I'm leaning slightly towards (actually ages) Trunks judging by the absurd AP advantage he has.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Sonic can ressurect even if he gets one-shotted.

 

[ShakeResounding]

I am not expert, and if they both clash their swords, Trunks sword can break Sonic ones due sheer AP

The entire point of Excalibur is that Caliburn was previous broken, and Excalibur is considered indestructible by comparison. Which is obviously an NLF if taken literally, but that should mean it's capable of withstanding the force of Trunks' attacks.

Also Sonic's Soul Surge energy is used up in place of his vitality when he should die, it's a skill in Black Knight that he has access to. Like an extra health bar that prevents his death.

 

[StekFence]

it's a skill in Secret Rings that he has access to. Like an extra health bar that prevents his death.

Isn’t that a diff game?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Trunks is 244.5 tenatons, 7.64, difference and scales far above his value. He easily one shots. What can sonic do?

 

[sanicspood]

Trunks is 244.5 tenatons, 7.64, difference and scales far above his value. He easily one shots. What can sonic do?

has good analytical prediction, has the better experience, can probably deflect trunks energy attacks but since there not magic idk

 

[sanicspood]

also has the range advantage

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

has good analytical prediction, has the better experience, can probably deflect trunks energy attacks but since there not magic idk

ki isn't magic, that's not stopping him from being hit especially when trunks can glare or shout or something.

 

[sanicspood]

sonic also has soul energy and can just resurrect him self if he dies

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

sonic also has soul energy and can just resurrect him self if he dies

ressurect- what? wtf? so trunks is forced to incapacitate?

 

[sanicspood]

ressurect- what? wtf? so trunks is forced to incapacitate?

yes

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

yes

still a one shot but harder since he needs to get a hit it in at close range or severely wound sonic from range.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

ki isn't magic, that's not stopping him from being hit especially when trunks can glare or shout or something.

Trunks can't do that. He doesn't have kiai in this key

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Trunks can't do that. He doesn't have kiai in this key

Literally anyone who can use ki proficiently can use the kiai, it literally is just a shout and an expansion of ki that is invisible, just because trunks doesn't show the certain applications for it doesn't mean he can't, bruh oob can do it and he doesn't know shit about ki.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Literally anyone who can use ki proficiently can use the kiai, it literally is just a shout and an expansion of ki that is invisible, just because trunks doesn't show the certain applications for it doesn't mean he can't, bruh oob can do it and he doesn't know shit about ki.

Even if he could, this is very out of character for him, as he literally never used this in any of his battles, not against the Androids, not against Frieza, against Cell and literally anyone else.

Why would he use it against Sonic when he never used it in canon?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Even if he could, this is very out of character for him, as he literally never used this in any of his battles, not against the Androids, not against Frieza, against Cell and literally anyone else.

Why would he use it against Sonic when he never used it in canon?

Not assuming he'd start with it, I'm using it as an example to show how much stronger trunks is that he can kill very easily. will he use it? I guess if he's pushed or can't land a proper attack he can, he can do it just by shouting or powering up.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Isn’t that a diff game?

Shit, I meant Black Knight

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Not assuming he'd start with it, I'm using it as an example to show how much stronger trunks is that he can kill very easily. will he use it? I guess if he's pushed or can't land a proper attack he can, he can do it just by shouting or powering up.

Even when pushed against the wall by the Androids, Cell or Black he didn't used it, so I doubt he would resort to it, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know that ability

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Even when pushed against the wall by the Androids, Cell or Black he didn't used it, so I doubt he would resort to it, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know that ability

That's because he was weaker than them, if his normal ki blasts or physicals can't give him the win then kiai is not factor, here trunks is more than 7.6 times stronger, using it is logical.

 

[CBslayeR]

Does Sonic's resurrection drain his soul gauge?

 

[ShakeResounding]

sonic also has soul energy and can just resurrect him self if he dies

Does Sonic's resurrection drain his soul gauge?

In conjunction with Caliburn, it's moreso treated as a back-up health bar instead of how it's treated in Secret Rings. It's essentially Immortality Type 2, as Sonic is brought to 0 rings and can still take damage without dying. It just takes some energy away from the Soul Gauge instead, which is good for Sonic because it refills through a few things.

1. By killing enemies.

2. By chaining attacks in combos.

3. By running.

It's self-supplemental. Trunks would essentially need to be a VERY hard aggressor in the fight to drain the gauge faster than Sonic refills it. But that was Merlina's style, which Sonic hard-countered into oblivion.

 

[CBslayeR]

In conjunction with Caliburn, it's moreso treated as a back-up health bar instead of how it's treated in Secret Rings. It's essentially Immortality Type 2, as Sonic is brought to 0 rings and can still take damage without dying. It just takes some energy away from the Soul Gauge instead, which is good for Sonic because it refills through a few things.

1. By killing enemies.

2. By chaining attacks in combos.

3. By running.

It's self-supplemental. Trunks would essentially need to be a VERY hard aggressor in the fight to drain the gauge faster than Sonic refills it. But that was Merlina's style, which Sonic hard-countered into oblivion.

Merlina was also slower, weaker, and had to charge every move. Here speed is equal, Trunks can oneshot him, and can use his massive aoe ki blasts to catch him if he tries to play evasive

 

[CBslayeR]

Wait how is Sonic shattering magic barriers with sword swings power null? Isn't that just AP

 

[ShakeResounding]

Merlina was also slower, weaker, and had to charge every move. Here speed is equal

Which is where skill matters most, yes. And where Sonic has a VERY strong lead in

Trunks can oneshot him

Not with any Soul Gauge energy around, which Sonic is going to accumulate by doing nothing more than moving around and fighting

and can use his massive aoe ki blasts to catch him if he tries to play evasive

Which relies on Sonic falling for such a thing, but he's no stranger to those who can use AoE blasts (Lancelot in particular). That's not even mentioning Sonic's Danger Sense, referenced in that very game, that would make Sonic on-edge and far more ready for whatever Trunks might pull. And considering Sonic has a dozen and more ways to amplify his speed, chances are he wouldn't be caught anywhere near the epicenter and thus gives him time to act accordingly. Not to mention that he can guard himself in pulses of energy, his Soul Energy would mitigate lethal damage if necessary, and Sonic is undoubtedly the better swordsman AND fighter in this scenario.

He's seen everything Trunks has to offer and more, minus something like the kiai that wouldn't be in-character to begin with.

Wait how is Sonic shattering magic barriers with sword swings power null? Isn't that just AP

It's implied to be something else in-game iirc

 

[sanicspood]

Not with any Soul Gauge energy around, which Sonic is going to accumulate by doing nothing more than moving around and fighting

...how does that stop trunks from one shotting? does soul gauge make him more durable?

 

[ShakeResounding]

...how does that stop trunks from one shotting? does soul gauge make him more durable?

In conjunction with Caliburn, it's moreso treated as a back-up health bar instead of how it's treated in Secret Rings. It's essentially Immortality Type 2, as Sonic is brought to 0 rings and can still take damage without dying.

FFS Spood I even responded to YOU here, dumbass Regular banter between us, carry on

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

First Trunks would need to land a hit I guess

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

FFS Spood I even responded to YOU here, dumbass Regular banter between us, carry on

Don't call him a dumbass, if trunks gets one hit he either slices sonic in half, or vaporizes him, both states sonic can't fight in.

 

[ShakeResounding]

It also takes a set amount from it every time, so Sonic literally CANNOT be one-shot. Figured I'd mention that before someone else does. I'll try and find a YouTube clip but no promises because my Wii is no longer with us and YT is unreliable when it comes to BK and SR

 

[ShakeResounding]

Don't call him a dumbass

Mind your business when it comes to how me and my friends address each other and focus on the match instead, k?

if trunks gets one hit he either slices sonic in half, or vaporizes him

DEFINITELY not enough of an AP difference to vaporize Sonic.

 

[sanicspood]

bruh, trunks one-shotting was essentially his only wincon, what can trunks do then?

 

[ShakeResounding]

bruh, trunks one-shotting was essentially his only wincon, what can trunks do then?

Wear down Sonic's Soul Gauge faster than Sonic can recover it and incapacitation, to my knowledge. The former likely won't happen because Sonic gets it by movement and the former unlikely because it requires Sonic to let his guard down enough to get knocked around. Which isn't going to happen due to him focusing on evasion and parrying, as well as far superior skill, and with enough techniques to mitigate AoE attacks through guarding it by several means or by using Stats Amp for evasive measures (such as the Super Peel Out or Boost).

My vote goes to Sonic.

 

[sanicspood]

aight, changing my vote to sonic

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Mind your business when it comes to how me and my friends address each other and focus on the match instead, k?

DEFINITELY not enough of an AP difference to vaporize Sonic.

Yes it is? Future trunks vaporized frieza straight up actually he was stated to have atomized him, and that's not counting the ridiculous scaling chain which they scale above the value which for your information looks like this >>>>>>>244.5, just 3 ">" is enough to stomp. So trunks can easily vaporize with ki.

 

[JED]

I just wanted to clear up a few things

Merlina was also slower, weaker, and had to charge every move. Here speed is equal, Trunks can oneshot him, and can use his massive aoe ki blasts to catch him if he tries to play evasive

Sonic only blitzed Merlina when he used Soul Surge, otherwise they were relative in speed.
Another thing, Sonic doesn’t just rush into all of his fights guns a blaze without thinking. Even in the Merlina fight, he didn’t just instantly go to attack her, he even says during the fight something akin to “Let me wait for a moment after she attacks when I can counter and go in for an easy attack”. So even if he doesn’t sense Trunks’s power he isn’t just going to run straight at Trunks. He’ll time all his attacks accordingly to Trunks. My vote still stands the same