Xeno Goku VS Mario

[BajaBlastoise1329]

2-B versions in use

Speed equalized

Fight takes place at Final Destination

Votes:

Goku: 7 or 8 (MYHERO, Warren Valion, RotofBots, The Smashor, DMB 1, DragonEmperor23, One Stick Man, DaBoiWhoOwnsMods (maybe))

Mario: 4, possibly 0 (debunked (?) by Warren Valion) (ShadowWarrior1999, Christian Higdon, Edwardtruong2006, Bobsican)

Inconclusive: 0


C'mon!


I will protect-a the Mushroom Kingdom!

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Mario one-shots.

 

[BajaBlastoise1329]

Mario one-shots.

Did VS Battles wiki nerf Xeno Goku or something?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Nah he's just wanked on other sites.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Wasn't this thread done before?

I think I remember the argument that Goku would sense Mario's massive AP advantage via Ki sensing or his Information Analysis and realize how big of a threat Mario is and then go in for the seal as he did with Omega Shenron.

Plus I think Goku's thread is lacking some abilities he was getting like Probability Manipulation, for example.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yeah that's not happening before Mario simply one-shots. Goku can't physically hurt him.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Yeah that's not happening before Mario simply one-shots. Goku can't physically hurt him.

Why wouldn't Goku dodge? Goku sensing works instantly, so he would understand and rate Mario's threat level instantly.

Mario's range is tens of meters with power-ups while Goku's Multiversal with Ki blasts, he can just back up until he realizes that sealing is his best option and just use that.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Speed is equal.

Range doesn't really matter when Mario doesn't have to nuke the multiverse to kill Goku.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Sealing also requires prep time IIRC.

 

[BajaBlastoise1329]

Yeah that's not happening before Mario simply one-shots. Goku can't physically hurt him.

Why wouldn't Goku dodge? Goku sensing works instantly, so he would understand and rate Mario's threat level instantly.
Mario's range is tens of meters with power-ups while Goku's Multiversal with Ki blasts, he can just back up until he realizes that sealing is his best option and just use that.

Totally forgot about that. Goku has a massive range advantage so he does have a chance to win. But idk who wins for now.

 

[BajaBlastoise1329]

Sealing also requires prep time IIRC.

AND that, too. In my Piccolo VS Donkey Kong thread, someone commented about Mafuba but that would have prep time. It's not like Piccolo can use Instant Transmission and get a container, he doesn't even know how to use IT, then Donkey Kong can just slow down time so he can catch Piccolo. Mario can do that too with XG.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Speed is equal.
Range doesn't really matter when Mario doesn't have to nuke the multiverse to kill Goku.

Just because speed is equal doesn't mean Goku can't dodge. He is the master martial artist out of the two, not to mention he can teleport.

And range does matter as he can simply fly back out of Mario's attack range, and IIRC, Mario's flight power-ups inhabit his inhibit his hands and are more of a glide ability than true flight.

Sealing also requires prep time IIRC.

Mafuba sealing requires prep (the thing to put the person being sealed into and the seal mark), but IDK if the sealing that Goku used on Omega Shenron (sealing him into the Dragon Balls, IIRC) needs prep as well. I wouldn't think so, as Goku has the Dragon Balls as he can summon Shenron and Super Shenron.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You're acting like Mario's just some bum off the streets and not someone who's been fighting just as long as Goku. Don't get me wrong, Goku definitely has the skill advantage, but he can't dodge forever, especially since running isn't Goku's character.

 

[Lightbuster30]

I thought Mario was baseline "countless" while Goku was "a timeline for ever action". Something change?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Goku needs to home in on someone's Ki signature to teleport. It's not spammable.

Goku's attacks can't hurt Mario so it won't be like that range advantage matters in helping him win.

Mario also has his own sealing and power nullification.

 

[BajaBlastoise1329]

If this was CC Goku VS Mario, I would definitely go for Goku.

 

[Warren_Valion]

You're acting like Mario's just some bum off the streets and not someone who's been fighting just as long as Goku. Don't get me wrong, Goku definitely has the skill advantage, but he can't dodge forever, especially since running isn't Goku's character.

Mario fights a lot, but he isn't a master martial artist like Goku. Goku also has better flight and can properly maneuver in the air. Not to mention Goku can instantly teleport away from Mario if needed.

And it is in character for Goku to not want to fight a being he knows he has no chance of winning.

Look at Super Buu, he was begging Vegeta to fuse with him again, and they both sighed in relief after they ran away and Super Buu became the weaker Kid Buu.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Goku needs to home in on someone's Ki signature to teleport. It's not spammable.

Goku's attacks can't hurt Mario so it won't be like that range advantage matters in helping him win.

Mario also has his own sealing and power nullification.

^

 

[MYHERO]

What is CC Goku?

 

[BajaBlastoise1329]

Goku needs to home in on someone's Ki signature to teleport. It's not spammable.
Goku's attacks can't hurt Mario so it won't be like that range advantage matters in helping him win.

Mario also has his own sealing and power nullification.

Not to mention, Mario has Time Manipulation with Zone Speed and Statistics Reduction.

 

[HST_Master]

Goku needs to home in on someone's Ki signature to teleport. It's not spammable.

Goku's attacks can't hurt Mario so it won't be like that range advantage matters in helping him win.

Mario also has his own sealing and power nullification.

It's absolutely spammable. He spams it in character.

Xeno Goku's sealing only needs the DBs idk where this prep time is coming from. Not only can he sense Mario he has info analysis so it's not like he's gonna Leroy Jenkins it.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Goku needs to home in on someone's Ki signature to teleport. It's not spammable.

Goku's attacks can't hurt Mario so it won't be like that range advantage matters in helping him win.

Mario also has his own sealing and power nullification.

^

He can spam teleporting, and he can appear around someone out of their range.

Here's an example of that.

How do they abilities work?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Dragon Balls aren't even standard equipment for Goku lol.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Dragon Balls aren't even standard equipment for Goku lol.

He can summon Shenron AND Super Shenron, how else would he be able to do that?

I don't play the games, I just am going from the profile.

 

[HST_Master]

Dragon Balls aren't even standard equipment for Goku lol.

Shenron Mode is a thing.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Mario's sealing is with Catch Cards that can turn enemies into collectible cards.

The power null weakened Super Dimentio by removing his "invincibility" or something like that.

 

[BajaBlastoise1329]

What is CC Goku?

Never saw this comment, but CC (Capsule Corp.) Goku is the other Goku from Dragon Ball Heroes that used Ultra Instinct recently. To make it simple, he's Dragon Ball Super Goku on steroids.

 

[Warren_Valion]

I thought Mario was baseline "countless" while Goku was "a timeline for ever action". Something change?

In Mario, there is the Dream Depot, where every citizen's dream becomes a universe.

In Dragon Ball, there is a "there are countless universes based on countless possibilities" statement from Trunks which is what we use to define the DB Multiverse I believe. Here's the scan.

Actually, why is Mario considered so much stronger than Goku?

The Dream Depot doesn't seem to be bigger than a Many-Worlds Theory of Quantum Mechanics multiverse.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Mario's sealing is with Catch Cards that can turn enemies into collectible cards.
The power null weakened Super Dimentio by removing his "invincibility" or something like that.

So Mario throws a card to seal? Isn't that dodgeable and/or destroyable via ki blast?

How did Mario do this power null? Did he throw another card, or did he just wave his hand?

 

[MYHERO]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Goku FRA

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Mario's sealing is with Catch Cards that can turn enemies into collectible cards.
The power null weakened Super Dimentio by removing his "invincibility" or something like that.

So Mario throws a card to seal? Isn't that dodgeable and/or destroyable via ki blast?
How did Mario do this power null? Did he throw another card, or did he just wave his hand?

Would Goku know what the card could do in the first place?

Power null is with the Pure Hearts.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Oh OP, I haven't voted yet.

I'm playing Devil's Advocate for Goku because I don't think this is a stomp.

I'm also curious about finding out why people believe Mario would one-shot Goku. As in where does the enormous AP that he supposedly has comes from.

However, I must find out tomorrow as it is one in the morning, and I'm too exhausted to argue more.

@Everyone Goodnight, and Merry Christmas!

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Goku FRA

For what reasons? Goku can't hurt Mario at all. His only way of winning is to use an OOC sealing move.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Would Goku know what the card could do in the first place?

Power null is with the Pure Hearts.

Why would he let a card hit him?

So is it a wave of the hand or something, or a passive effect?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Because it's just a card? He wouldn't know what it could do.

The power nulling is passive.

 

[MYHERO]

Wouldn't his info analysis tell him though?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Like Mario is just going to stand there so Goku can examine him?

 

[MYHERO]

How does Goku's analysis work though?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It's just him being able to sense power levels.

 

[MYHERO]

I'm pretty sure Goku is capable of doing at least two things at once, and when it's something like Ki sensing he can do it while dodging as well.