Woody: Tier 4 Strikes Back

[Bobsican]

The discussion on here pretty much concluded that taking the events of Kingdom Hearts III as cano via WoG was deemed unreliable as literally the only thing missing was Pixar also agreeing with it being canon to the Toy Story series.

Well, I finally found it:

"The solution became to place the plotline between Toy Story movies (specifically 2 and 3), satisfying Nomura's vision, Pixar's restrictions and creating a strange extra consequence: "I said, 'Okay, so is it fair to assume that Woody and Buzz, and friends, remember Sora and everybody coming? Is it part of the story now?' and they were like, 'yeah,' and I was kind of like, 'Oh! Okay.'" "

This means Kingdom Hearts III´s events are canon to Toy Story

"Outlier!"

Well, nope, as we can see that they were inside Young Xehanort´s "replica" world, which also explains how even Buzz´ lasers became actual ones (Which Woody even points out) or nearly everyone missing, meaing that the new High 4-C stuff can be just applied as a new, separate key from the movie series one.

Conclusion:

Woody gets a new separate High 4-C key exactly like in this blog I made.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Seems fine I guess.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No. This is the same thing as before. Woody won't get a HIgh 4-C Key scaling from Kingdom Hearts. Even in Kingdom Hearts itself it is readily apparent that everyone on the Toy Box world are 10-C toys.

 

[Bobsican]

Powerscaling =/= Destructive Capacity

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also that doesn't mean it's canon to Toy Story. It isn't. It's simply set between the movies in the KH universe. That's it.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Powerscaling =/= Destructive Capacity

Except no character has any feats beyond 10-C in the Toy Story World. Even the digital world is justa replica.

 

[Bobsican]

"In terms of Toy Story's timeline, it takes place after the events of the second film. It doesn't take place in a parallel world, but think of it as Kingdom Hearts III's happenings as being part of the Toy Story timeline." - Nomura, KH WoG

Combine that with even Pixar agreeing and it leasd to it being canon

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You keep saying that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

This is just basic information on how KH works. The devs don't consider it parallel universes because they're not dumb nerds. They are focused on telling a story. Not caring to see where all fits on some chart.

 

[Bobsican]

They actually do, they even said it here, once again

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

This annoys me to no end...There is so much context ignored. Let's take the quote beforehand.

"Nomura explains that his vision for Kingdom Hearts has always been that Sora and friends canonically arrive in Disney's worlds. That didn't suit the Toy Story team. "When I first brought this to Pixar and I asked about doing that, they were like, 'Actually, no. The Toy Story story is complete. It's a complete package the way it is, and we can't really change that.' I told them if I'm going to do this in the Kingdom Hearts way, then it's going to become a case of, 'Actually, Sora and his friends did come into the world."

Based upon this and the quote above, this is simply setting a time for which Sora could appear in the Toy Story world. Yes, Sora is apart of the TS world, just like he is for the other Disney worlds. Doesn't make them canon to those respective franchises. If you try to push this then you are also trying to say that all of the times Sora appeared in other Disney worlds is also canon to those movies.

 

[Bobsican]

"In terms of Toy Story's timeline, it takes place after the events of the second film. It doesn't take place in a parallel world, but think of it as Kingdom Hearts III's happenings as being part of the Toy Story timeline." - Nomura, KH WoG
Combine that with even Pixar agreeing and it leasd to it being canon

Am I missing something? This only applies to Toy Story regarding the canonicity, by the way.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

That quote means nothing and counters nothing with what I just said as you can argue that with any Disney world. Doesn't make it canon.

 

[Bobsican]

If it isn´t a parallel world, then what is it? As it points into such being canon, once again

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No it doesn't.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

After seeing Dragonmaster's responses, I think he's the one making sense here.

 

[Bobsican]

No it doesn't.

Why not exactly, once again?

I already replied to your argument about them just not knowning what they were saying with "parallel universes" above

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Agreeing with Dragon as well.

 

[Bobsican]

Powerscaling =/= Destructive Capacity

Except no character has any feats beyond 10-C in the Toy Story World. Even the digital world is justa replica.

What about the part where Sora, Donald and Goofy keep up with Young Xehanort, who made an entire pocket reality for them to fight the King of Toys?

 

[InfiniteSped]

This is madness

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Also, from talking to Ever, there is on thing we realized. It is never stated or noted that the parallel world they were in made them stronger. All they note is that Buzz had real lasers. So your outlier argument doesn't really fly.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

They still struggle to move boxes and balls.

 

[Bobsican]

They still struggle to move boxes and balls.

Lifting Strength doesn´t scale to AP, then again

As for Ever´s argument, a "possibly At least High 4-C" adjustment to the current rating at the blog should fix it.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

It's more like the key shouldn't exist in the first place as I've noted.

 

[Self_Love]

Giddy up

 

[Bobsican]

Well, the hearts (of the toys) were separated by Young Xehanort, meaning that they are actually inside replicas of their original bodies, so them being amped isn´t too crazy nor an outlier, furthing supporting just a separate key.

 

[MYHERO]

You have got to be kidding me. Why does this thread even exist? Did my warning go over your head Bob? Did what I had to say mean nothing to you? I already told you it's best to just lay off on controversial KH threads like this, yet you continue to throw away what I had to say and just go on your own accord. And I cannot force you to stop making these threads, but at least have the balls to directly say NO to my face. You shouldn't waver and lead me to believe in false security by saying shit like "okay I understand" or "thank you for showing me the way." You should've just refused straight up to me, instead of being a snake and lying that you will stop. That's ****** up Bob.

 

[Christian_Higdon]

I agree with Dragon on this.

 

[Eficiente]

@Bob No.

 

[Bobsican]

MYHERO, Sorry, It´s just that I really wanted to see if it could at least have led to something.

I´m fine even if this gets denied.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, the hearts (of the toys) were separated by Young Xehanort, meaning that they are actually inside replicas of their original bodies, so them being amped isn´t too crazy nor an outlier, furthing supporting just a separate key.

Also, again.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

From Ever;

"Bob, you keep assuming that these circumstances are leading to them being amped when that's never stated to be the case."

 

[Schnee_One]

....This shit again?

Why does this exist?

Someone give me one reason I don't fire Stonehenge

 

[Bobsican]

As it´s based on an assumption, a "possibly X tier" addition to the High 4-C key is reasonable as it´s hypothetical, once again.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I agree with Dragonmaster

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

As it´s based on an assumption, a "possibly X tier" addition to the High 4-C key is reasonable as it´s hypothetical, once again.

Once again, the key has no reason to exist in the first place.

 

[Bobsican]

Because it would be an outlier?

 

[Spinoirr]

Leave jiren to me....

But in all truth i think he needs a kingdom harts key

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Because it would be an outlier?

Because it's not canon.

 

[Bobsican]

I already debated that part, Nomura and Pixar agree to it being canon already.

Am I missing something?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Let's ignore my argument against this huh?