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Hello, so the third arc was realesed not too long ago, and there has been a TON of new stuff. There is a spoiler wall however before the final boss, so as soon as that is out, I'll be making another thread. I wanted to put the downgrades with that thread, but they have nothing to do with the new arc so I'll put it here. That and it's probably gonna be a while until they put the spoiler wall down. So without further adoo

  • Shadow Morganthe should be downgraded to "3-A. High 3-A with the Song of Creation" For starters, her "high 3-A" feat is only through the song of creation, literally just one spell; controlling a fraction of it's power. She would rather be 3-A naturally because of shadow magic, since it can rebuild reality, and she infused herself in it. This would in turn downgrade The Player (Arc 2) to 3-A
Morganthe: "Universe level (Possesses and infused herself with Shadow Magic, the power that forms reality, and can rebuild reality into the users image). High Universe level with The Song Of Creation (Was about to reset the timeline, but failed as she could only control a fraction of the songs power)

The Player: "Universe level (Defeated Shadow Morganthe)". He did absorb the High 3-A power from her, but like a minute later gave it away, so there's no reason for him to get a High 3-A key, since he only had it for a minute.

  • The Three Titans should be downgraded to "At least 3-A, likely low 2-C". For starters, they are the ones that broke the First World into fragments, which forced the creation of the spiral, the thread that holds the universe [First world] together. However, Low 2-C comes from the fact the spiral has a different concept/flow of time when compared to the First world, implying that the First worlds time was destroyed. The characters and developers themself refer to the spiral's time as "spiral time"; something seperate. This would also make sense because the titans can destroy the spiral if either one of them were to wake up.
  • Grandfather Spider without his heart should be downgraded to "At least 3-A. At least 2-C with preperation time". 3-A for being far more powerful than Morganthe. 2-C because he was going to reset time for the entire spiral; all it's worlds back to the First World, and this was implied to be a similar scale to destroying all existence anyway, but this required a lot of preperation time and he did it with outside equipment.
The Bat, The Rat and Mellori would also become "At least 3-A" because they are comparable to The Player after he defeated Spider without his heart, and The Bat even said if he, Mellori and The Player work together, Spider would have no chance in winning.
 
I suppose that his seems fine.

Are there some other knowledgeable members that can confirm this?
 
You mentioned this, and everything you're saying makes sense.
 
Scans BTW

https://youtu.be/VXxGHLGypos?t=1486

Morganthe's song of creation

https://youtu.be/VXxGHLGypos?t=163

https://www.wizard101.com/game/shadow-magic

https://youtu.be/kK8y3IkZaNc?t=733

Shadow forming reality/rebuilding it

https://youtu.be/4ACL-grE-Co?t=38

Titans destroying the Firstworld and Bartleby forming a spiral to hold it together

https://youtu.be/efHNUkYS-GA?t=108

Confirmed that the spiral holds a universe together

https://edgecast.wizard101.com/foru...-2016-8ad6a415523abbf50152846521182fa1?page=1

Spiral has a different concept/flow of time

"As to your other questions, time in the Spiral doesn't work the way it does in our world. Our concept of time is based on the laws of nature, while in the Spiral, the flow of time is guided by the laws of magic"

https://youtu.be/irBql6DEQAY?t=405

Spider using chronoshards and the eye of history to affect time and the spiral. The sands of time are sands that represent time for the entirety of the spiral/all it's worlds

"For a primal force that plans to destroy the spiral, he sure makes this seem personal"

"Let time be restored, I care not for such trivialities"

"As you collect the eye of history, it dissolves the final shadow ray, that was projected into the sands of time. As the sands of time reset [...]"

"As you collect the chronoshard, it dissolves ONE of the shadow rays, that was projected onto the sands of time"


http://www.wizard101central.com/wiki/Creature:Malistaire_Drake#axzz5V9zsZCJb

"without realizing that the Dragon Titan could destroy the Spiral"
 
Okay, if all the pages at tier 2 have been locked again, I will close this thread.
 
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