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Jiren is credited as "the mightiest foe in Dragon Ball history" numerous times throughout the airing of the Tournament of Power, and the Wiki currently uses this statement, alongside others, to scale a suppressed Jiren above Infinite Zamasu, making him Low 2-C
Why is this the case, though? Why is Zamasu Universe level+? Yes, he assimilated a universe into himself, but that would be a state of being.
Nothing ever suggests that merging with the universe had any affect on his power level. Even after his physical form was destroyed by Trunks and he was forced to retreat to an incorporeal one, he was still capable of utilizing his ki, proving that his ki is independent of the form he takes -- Immortality? That being said, this means that hijacking the universe and becoming a spacetime would only affect his form, whereas his power level would remain exactly the same. This is backed up by the fact that his attacks, even after merging with the universe, had the same effect on Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks as they did when he was still alive -- the three of them could momentarily defend themselves, even while weakened, and they were ultimately overpowered, but survived, like when he knocked the shit out of Goku and Vegeta in his grotesque form or when he folded them immediately after coming into existence; this all suggests that his power level remained unchanged. Hell, even Gowasu could defend against his attacks, albeit with a barrier, of course.
Along with that, inflating oneself or merging with something larger than oneself has never increased one's power by itself before. When Piccolo grew to the size of a small mountain against Goku in the original Dragon Ball, his power level remained the same; the only that changed was the force of his punches because his mass increased. And, in the Dragon Ball Super manga, when Moro merged with the entire planet Earth, his power remained unchanged; the only thing that happened was that he had a larger form to properly control the power he gained from Merus... there are not too many examples of this happening in Dragon Ball.
So once again, there is nothing backing up the idea that merging with the universe increased his power.
So, why is he rated as Low 2-C? He has no feats to back up such a rating; him tampering with time was a side-effect of his existence, meaning it would not count as an Attack Potency feat, nor would it affect his power level anyway. In fact, would that not fall under the nonviable examples of Stabilization Feats?
Tl;dr: Zamasu merging with the universe has nothing to do with his power, so his rating should be changed.
Zamasu having Low 2-C Durability for being a universe would be fine, but his Attack Potency should be changed or just not be scaled off of.
also, when do we change this to "fusion zamasu (super dragon ball heroes)"
Jiren is credited as "the mightiest foe in Dragon Ball history" numerous times throughout the airing of the Tournament of Power, and the Wiki currently uses this statement, alongside others, to scale a suppressed Jiren above Infinite Zamasu, making him Low 2-C
Why is this the case, though? Why is Zamasu Universe level+? Yes, he assimilated a universe into himself, but that would be a state of being.
Nothing ever suggests that merging with the universe had any affect on his power level. Even after his physical form was destroyed by Trunks and he was forced to retreat to an incorporeal one, he was still capable of utilizing his ki, proving that his ki is independent of the form he takes -- Immortality? That being said, this means that hijacking the universe and becoming a spacetime would only affect his form, whereas his power level would remain exactly the same. This is backed up by the fact that his attacks, even after merging with the universe, had the same effect on Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks as they did when he was still alive -- the three of them could momentarily defend themselves, even while weakened, and they were ultimately overpowered, but survived, like when he knocked the shit out of Goku and Vegeta in his grotesque form or when he folded them immediately after coming into existence; this all suggests that his power level remained unchanged. Hell, even Gowasu could defend against his attacks, albeit with a barrier, of course.
Along with that, inflating oneself or merging with something larger than oneself has never increased one's power by itself before. When Piccolo grew to the size of a small mountain against Goku in the original Dragon Ball, his power level remained the same; the only that changed was the force of his punches because his mass increased. And, in the Dragon Ball Super manga, when Moro merged with the entire planet Earth, his power remained unchanged; the only thing that happened was that he had a larger form to properly control the power he gained from Merus... there are not too many examples of this happening in Dragon Ball.
So once again, there is nothing backing up the idea that merging with the universe increased his power.
So, why is he rated as Low 2-C? He has no feats to back up such a rating; him tampering with time was a side-effect of his existence, meaning it would not count as an Attack Potency feat, nor would it affect his power level anyway. In fact, would that not fall under the nonviable examples of Stabilization Feats?
Tl;dr: Zamasu merging with the universe has nothing to do with his power, so his rating should be changed.
Zamasu having Low 2-C Durability for being a universe would be fine, but his Attack Potency should be changed or just not be scaled off of.
also, when do we change this to "fusion zamasu (super dragon ball heroes)"
