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Makes sense to me.
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Why do people upscale from Infinite Zamasu?
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How about an "Inapplicable" rating? Lucy has that for being a universe.
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I don't think so much tbh, there's just a guy there trying to say that Zamasu took over the other universes in the future timeline to say that he took Jiren or something else.
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Immeasurable Lifting Strength it seems
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Inapplicable is generally used for tier 11, i.e. for lifting strength that is too low to be calculated.
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This thread wasn't made with the purpose of downgrading Zamasu's LS for issues of upscaling from others. I think this topic would be separated if anything else is decided.
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why do we care about LS anyways
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Why shouldn’t we care ?
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because this isn't an LS thread
+ I have literally never seen someone on this site ever bring up LS in a vs thread
but mainly, this isn't the thread for that
+ I have literally never seen someone on this site ever bring up LS in a vs thread
but mainly, this isn't the thread for that
Nullflowerblush
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It's not about the battles. It's about looking cool.
Also, you must not visit any versus threads.
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I visit all the vs threads that have a character I know anything about
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I think Zamasu should keep immeasurable lifting strength, darkdragonmdjhdjh gave reasons for why he scaled to that LS tier in the first place, and I also think that everyone who scales above him also scales to it.
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zamasu never lifts anything is the problem, the most moving he does is expanding and moving around
Nullflowerblush
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if he is moving around he has to be able to lift himself
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Moving around would be impossible if he can't support his weight
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True, if he was still expanding and moving after taking over one universe then he should scale to that LS and maybe higher above baseline.
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We only see him move parts of himself anyways
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If anything came out of this thread, I'd say it's the lifting strength rating that needs to be looked at closely because it is given for almost no reasons as far as I can see. It would be better if it is replaced with unknown.
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This is what darkdragonmediueus said about zamasu's lifting strength, is this a valid reason?
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I feel like in order to take it any further you would need assume the universe is being held together by some unknown force or it has to keep itself together under the gravity of some other, larger, unknown structure. Which isn't something I don't think should be done, since as far as i'm aware, Dragon ball doesn't have anything like that.
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You can look at the thread where zamasu got his immeasurable lifting strength.
As far as I remember, the argument was that zamasu fused with the universe thus he should have immeasurable LS. It is pretty similar to mechi who absorbed a 2-B black hole, thus mechi also have immeasurable LS in his TPU form.
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When it comes to a character perceiving an universal spacetime as some physical object they can pick up and carry around, we tend to give out Immeasurable Lifting Strength, yeah. This branches off when it comes to the spacetime itself, though, since, while it is a container of infinitely-many 3-D cross-sections (Each of which has non-zero mass), its "fabric" has no actual mass, as that's strictly a property of things inside of spacetime. Asking how much a direction weighs is not a very coherent question, after all, so that, given the other reasons you gave (+ The fact Zamasu isn't actually "lifting" anything) makes me think "Unknown" is appropriate enough here.
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just out of curiosity for discussion sake
what is the probability of either infinite or high end universal lifting strength?
what is the probability of either infinite or high end universal lifting strength?
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Most likely none
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infinite 3d seems less likely to me yeah
but universal could be plausible if there's some evidence to suggest he moved it
but universal could be plausible if there's some evidence to suggest he moved it
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(saw this comment and couldn't help but laugh lmao but no one responded to it so I will)
lolwut he fused with the future's alt timeline & started to branch into the normal one as well, why would he ever be effecting grand kai or Jiren? This is inherently incorrect and basing the argument on bad faith entirely. You would know if you participated in literally any dragon ball CRT recently that this is absolutely not what happened nor is it how we treat it. He only took over the alternate timeline of universe 7 and started breaching into the main timeline. There is no steelmanning to be done here, as you're doing nothing but strawmanning.
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Mate you don't even what's going on. The person i was arguing with said VSB agreed zamasu merged with all the universes. So i said if he did so that would mean he took out jiren and grand supreme kai who both have scaling above him. I just recently seen the thread for myself and i believe it's excepted he took over one universe in future trunks timeline and attempted to move to the present timeline. I still don't agree with scale especially after toei said zamasu was attempting to take over the universe and nothing outright confirmed he took over anyway.
Uub with grand supreme kais power was able to amp goku to his mui state. Uub is in the same universe zamasu took supposedly over. Which means he took out a mui level character.
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That's manga only
Also how would Zamas fusing with the timeline mean he took out Jiren? By that logic goku and vegeta should have been eliminated by INF Zamas the moment he fused with the Universe
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Well just wait till it gets animatedThat's manga only
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You’re still completely ignoring that it was an alternate timeline, and it was a long time in the future as well
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No problem. All finished
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