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I've honestly tried to find why, but I couldn't, so if anyone knows the justification on why, Umineko went from High 1-A too 1-A, that would be nice.
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Why did they downgrade Umineko to 1-A?
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Cause upon closer inspection the cosmology was overhyped/wanked and in the end, only reached High 1-B and Featherine herself was dropped to 1-A.
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That doesn't justify, why it was downgraded. Why is it "overhyped/wanked"?
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From what I saw the entire Umineko Cosmology can be summed up as a High 1-B Structure. A pretty complex one, but still just Infinite layers upon layers each one diminishing the last. Featherine transcends said High 1-B Structure and therefore she is 1-A.
The Creator wasn't some overarching God being either, just a title. It's all discussed here.
The Creator wasn't some overarching God being either, just a title. It's all discussed here.
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Well, the Human Domain has an infinite hierarchy as well, each higher layer views the lower layer as fiction, etc. Then the Witches conceptually transcend the Human Domain, making them 1-A, then we Witch Domain has their own infinite hierarchy of layers, each higher layer viewing the lower layer as fiction represented in the form of a fragment, so since this hierarchy goes off of R>F layers, and the baseline of this hierarchy is already 1-A, it would qualify for the next layer of the infinite hierarchy to be an Aleph higher, meaning the Witch Domain is already 1-A+, since they have an infinite hierarchy, that works off of R>F layers. Then we have Featherine, who stands outside of the Witch Domain, and resides in the 3rd Domain, where her study is, she would also be conceptually above the Witch Domain as she views it as fiction, and she views the Witch Domain, as the Witch Domain views the Human Domain, etc. Featherine would be High 1-A off of this, because she is conceptually above a infinite layered outerversal hierarchy.
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Well, that's not what the Cosmology page says, but if you want to argue with someone about it you can make a CRT.
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Well it goes over the part about, the Witch Domain Infinite hierarchy, and he didn't establish Featherine's study being in the 3rd Domain, he went over the endless staircase, but he didn't explain how it's an infinite hierarchy sadly, in the future, I'll put my own cosmology scale in here.
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While I know there's arguments for the Human Domain (although imo it's not solid enough); just saying stuff without scans isn't gonna do anything.
You can't say the Human Domain has infinite layers without proving so. And 3rd domain stuff was adressed in the downgrade thread. You should read it.
VSB Umineko profiles never had the Human Domain at High 1-B at any point.
Also, the infinite ladder is explained to be an infinite hierarchy both in the downgrade thread and cosmology page.
You can't say the Human Domain has infinite layers without proving so. And 3rd domain stuff was adressed in the downgrade thread. You should read it.
VSB Umineko profiles never had the Human Domain at High 1-B at any point.
Also, the infinite ladder is explained to be an infinite hierarchy both in the downgrade thread and cosmology page.
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I'll reread it, but I personally think Ovy7 already proved the downgrade thread wrong. But I'll post some scans later about the Human Domain has infinite layers that function off of R>F.
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Ovy7 was against it, but if it had been proven wrong, it wouldn't have been accepted.
Also the thread addressed more than just a single issue, and Ovy7 agreed with some.
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Yea, I know Ovy7 was against it, that's why I said: I think he disproved, the downgrade wrong.
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Pretty sure human domain having infinite layers was already debunked in the thread? i think i will have a look
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Human Domain hasn't been mentionned even once I think. VSB never used that domain as justification so no real reason to bring it up.
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Bring evidence. The human domain doesn't contain infinite hierarchy of any kind. I have personally seen all the evidence compiled to argue for human domain and none of it is enough for 1-A.
All this was already debunked on the thread
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No one on VSBW, from the looks of it, never explained the Human Domain's infinite hierarchy, I guess I have a different scaling method, but I'll probably post about it.
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I guess it's either based on Renoir or Kyou?
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It's based on Renoir.
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From my interpretation it does, each staircase is what spreads each layer of the art room (the place with all these fictional worlds), Crossing this staircase and reaching a high floor is simply ascending to a higher painting, and vice versa for descending.
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There need's to be proof of superiority, either by statements or sheer difference in scope.
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Don't rely on assumptions or interpretations, use solid evidence.
is human domain 1-A there? So why arn't we using it, is that non canon?
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I am sorry but we don't use baseless out of context headcanon as evidence
It's not. It's just a bunch of arguments that people think are enough to prove that the human domain has an infinite hierarchy when it's not.
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Did the thread already proved that Human Domain is at the bottom of the hierarchy???. And the entire thread never once mention anything about that Domain
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The Human Domain and the Witch Domain have 2 separate hierarchies.
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Lmao, I'll post scans later ig.
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I'll just copy my statements and provide the scans. If you already read Visual Novel for Higanbana, this will make more sense.
Explanation on the Infinite Hierarchy:
They all stack on the top of each other, basically this is described as “ascending and descending” through these infinite amounts of endless staircases
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936812322742239333/937413763798274161/latest.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936812322742239333/937413764045733938/latest.png
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936812322742239333/937413802406871101/latest.png
Each staircase is what spreads each layer of the art room (the place with all these fictional worlds)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936812322742239333/937411791867228250/latest.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936812322742239333/937414575740039248/latest.png
Crossing this staircase and reaching a high floor is simply ascending to a higher painting, and vice versa for descending
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936812322742239333/937411792462839858/latest.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936812322742239333/937411792202768444/latest.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936812322742239333/937414575740039248/latest.png
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/v...manga_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20200730082200
Each layer is a painting/story, the transcendence is described as going into 2-D, so each layer is R>F.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828838205730193458/828845167389835274/image1.png
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I already know the context of what you are arguing lol. Already seen this bad argument at multiple places before(Umineko debating is trash I swear)
Yes...ascending and descending means going up or down on stairs.
None of the scans say anything like that.
Once again nothing in the scans says anything like that.
Also all of this doesn't even matter because Renoir's painting worlds are explicitly called 2D. We aren't here to tier lower dimensional things.
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It's already explained that it's the same stairs looping here. No hierarchy or nothing of the sort.
At worst, it would be a 11-C to 11-A hierarchy since the highest "layer" would be 2-D.
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Just a picture with endless staircase, i failed to see any actual hierarchy of infinite layer dimension
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Where is the hierarchy though? It's not any kind of ontological differences, literally just an endless staircase. There are no "layers" lol.
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.................................................what
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Damn, i love how even mercurius was pissed off when hajun killed reinhard.
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pretty sure all verses are done? Bruh.
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Actually...
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There's none, but even if there was one it wouldn't be High 1-B.
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Wait, if there are still more verses left to be downgraded i have no idea of them. Are there still more left?
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