07-expansion (Raising levels and reviewing metaphysics)

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I apologize in advance if there are mistakes in English


I would like to discuss with you the increase in force levels of the 07-expansion universe.

To begin with, I agree with a certain part of the presentation of metaphysics. But I would still like to go over the basics.
As we already know there are two poles. Those who follow destiny - humans and those who create destiny - gods and creator

全ての存在は、運命に翻弄される側と運命を生み出す側の二極の間のどこかに位置して
いると説明できる。
運命に翻弄されるのがニンゲン。愚かで哀れで、何も生み出せない。
……しかし、足の下には踏みしめる大地がある。そしてその大地は決して裏切らず、生
涯、奈落への墜落の恐怖に怯えることなく暮らすことが出来る。
運命を生み出すのが、神々。そして造物主。全知で全能で、全てを生み出す。

It is worth noting. It's not just about some "Gods"(神ʼ) (Also, note that the word "Gods" is used in the plural form. 々 duplicates the character 神), but also "Creator"(造物主). The word "造物主" is used separately. But we'll talk about that later.

The witches are somewhere in the middle (actually, witches are 神, but you'll figure that out later)

その中間に位置するのが、私たち魔女なのではないかと思う。
私たちは運命を生み出し、弄ぶ。その狭間を回遊する。
しかし、ある一定の制限と限界に甘んじ、自分が転落しない程度の足場を残す。

Witches can also create and play with destiny

From what has been written above, we can divide the world into 3 parts. 1. The "Domain of humans". 2. The "Domain of Witches" and we will talk about 3 later.


In the world of 07-expansion there is such a concept as (カケラ)

それは、握り拳ほどの大きさの、カケラと呼ばれる結晶の塊

まぁ、そんなに仰々しく考える必要はない。私にとっては、本とか漫画とかゲームソフトとか、そんな程度のもの

It is a crystallization of different worlds, destinies, possibilities, and similar concepts

"カケラ" belong to the world of gods or the "Domain of Witches. In the "Domain of humans" they manifest themselves in the form of various things. For example, feelings

1. 「・・・梨花にとって、 世界に見えるものは、より高い次元の世界では カケラと呼ばれているのです。 そのカケラを、 ジグソーパズルの ように組み合わせて世界を渡り歩いてきたのです」
2. 「・・・私が今いるこの世界というカケラ、 •••いえ、 ジグソーパズルの ピースは、 噛み合う部分がどうにかなっていて、周りのピースと 組み合ってくれないと、 そう言いたいわけね」
3. 「神の世界にあるべきカケラが、 なぜか人間の世界に零れ落ちてい て欠陥を起こしている、ってこと…?」
4. 「た、・・・多分、 そうだと思いますが、 ･･･高次の世界にあるべきもの が、人間の世界にもたらされた場合、 どんな姿に変わるのか想像 もつきませんです...」
5. 「・・・カケラは梨花の世界では “想い” と解釈されていますのです。 その想いが、何かに宿る形でカケラとなっているのです」

Individual "Domain of humans" worlds may contain entire structures from different religions (screenshot 1-2)

"The Human Domain" also assumes the "Science Adventure" universe as a separate world

«牧瀨紅莉栖»
ん…….ここは、どこ……?森……

«牧瀨紅莉栖»
えっ、なんぞこれ。 森・・・森っ? 私たち、いったいどうなったの!

«漆原るか す»
すごい! ボクたち、 本当にゲームの中に 入っちゃったんですか!

«牧瀨紅莉栖»
ちょ、ちょっと岡部! これ、いったいどうなって・・・・・!

«岡部倫太郎»
成功だ。

«牧瀨紅莉栖»
は......

«岡部倫太郎»
･･････ふはははは、成功だッ!

«岡部倫太郎»
青少年の憧れ、そして夢っ! それを俺は• いや! 俺たちはついに 現実のものとしたのだああっっ!!

«牧瀨紅莉栖»
････。 天才となんとかは紙一重って言うけど、 本当に実現させたのは褒めるべきかもね。

«牧瀨紅莉栖»
で······ ここからは、どうするの? どうすればゲームクリアで、 脱出になるの

«牧瀨紅莉栖»
まさか、 脱出方法を考えてなかった…………… なんて、言わないわよ、ね

«岡部倫太郎»
……….ってなかった。

«岡部倫太郎»
その･･････本当に成功するとは思ってなかったのだ! この俺が一番驚いて・・・・・・いや、正直に言おう!!

«岡部倫太郎»
俺が作ったのは、ゲーム内の背景画像同士の 隙間に、ネット上に存在する様々な現実の写真を 参考にした存在しない景色を脳内補完させ......。

«岡部倫太郎»
人間のアモーダル補完を応用 活用して 存在しないはずの二次元の景色を 三次元的に構築するシステムのはずだった。

«岡部倫太郎»
視界を作り出すためのヘッドセットを 付けただけで、 なぜこのような感覚が 存在しているんだ!

You can find out more in the short story:
Higurashi When They Cry Mei X Steins; Gate

You already know from the "Ovy07" cosmology introduction that Books/Paintings are also separate worlds. Renoir is a yokai capable of moving living beings into these worlds


In addition to the structures of the Science Adventure universe, the 07-expansion itself assumes the existence of infinite parallel worlds

The Ryuns are beings that surpass ordinary humans mentally, physically and spiritually. Through their knowledge, they were able to create the "Gate of Control". A device that allowed them to overcome the five-dimensional wall and so they came to our world. For our world, their technology is super science

リューンの民が開発した具次元間の転移装置 『管理門』

『彼女』はその一つを制御するために作られたものだが現在は私の手で改良を施し鬼ヶ淵村一帯を中心に 『同化』、していった同朋たちの動向管理も担わせている

また、姿こそ持たないが…膨大な知識と記録を所有する 『彼女』は私とのやり取りの中生物のような感情や人格を疑似的に備えるようになった。

ともかく、災回を逃れたリューンの人々は故郷を捨てて、生き延びるために次元を超えてこの世界へと避難する道を選んだのだ

その手段は 『位相転移』

生物の肉体や精神は、すべて一定の質量を持った素粒子と、電気信号の集合体情報 』によって構成されている。

ゆえに理屈上では、それらを一定の荷電粒子に変換したものを異なる世界へと転移させ、その到達先で情報を再構築すれば、物体の移動は可能となる。

…その理論をもとに、私の祖先であるリューンの民が研究の末に確立した技術が、この世界では超科学にあたる 『位相転移」だった

研究者たちはリューンの民を救済するため、その位相転移を用いた次元間の移動媒介装置 『管理門」を開発する

その完成とともに、リューンの民の大規模な新天地への移民計画が実行され、避難民たちは次々に別次元の世界へと転送されていった…。

位相転移には実は欠点があった

それは、対象物を異次元へと転移させる際、ある一定の質量を超えた物体に対して抵抗を示すというものである

ゆえに記憶や人格など、個体を保つ精神情報の大量移動は可能であったのだが肉体などの物質は 『管理門』を度に通過できず、情報信号と物質の垂離が引き起こされる。

いわゆる、身体と精神の分裂である。…だが、その危険性が判明したのは大半のリューンの民が移動した後で、もはや対処の術もなかった。

その結果、多くの人々が 『管理門』を通過する過程で自らの肉体を失ってしまうという事態を招いたのだった…。

『…通常の生物であれば、そのまま消滅していたと思います。でも、リューンの民はその点で、位相転移に適性があったのかもしれません』

幸いなことにリューンの民は元々、その身体・精神構成が高位分子で結合し、強い荷電性と高い情報蓄積能力を持つ生物であった。

ゆえに、肉体を失ってからも一定時間であれば、人格などの精神情報のみで生命源を保つことができたのである。

そのため、肉体を失った後も彼らはこの世界でいうところの 『幽霊』、…つまり 『遊離体』として移多住することとなった。

とはいえ、いつまでも肉体を持たないままではいかなかった

分子結合・正離を断続的に行う 『遊離体』はその強荷電性により、周囲の有機物に対して高い干渉能力があった。

ゆえにその状態で長時間行動し続けると、この世界を構成する様々な情報を無作為に習得して、自我が変化してしまう危険をはらんでいる。

そして同時に、他の生物たちの遺伝子情報にも干渉して、その内容を書き換えてしまうなどの悪影響を与える可能性も否定できなかった。

About the five-dimensional wall:

五次元の壁を越えて現在の世界に移り住むようになった「リューンの民」の入植状況を見守り、先住民への危害など違反行為を行う者に対して制裁することを任務とする「監視者（ジェダ）」のひとり。

(screenshot 3-6)


In each world of the "Human Domain," there is not only its visible part (physical), but also the invisible (supernatural)

まるで、 そなたというキングに対して守りを固める堅牢 な城壁のようよ! それを妾は、 何度もゲームを重ね、 駒 をひとつずつ進め、 切り崩し、 追い込み、じわじわとそな たの城壁を切り崩して行った

そしてようやくわずかの隙間を開き、 そこから妾はビ ショップを送り込み、 そなたのすぐ近くに近付けるように なった。………………… しかし知っての通り、ビショップは死角の ある駒だ

黒のビショップは、 そなたが黒きマスに留まる限り絶大 な影響力を発揮するが、 そなたがひょいと白きマスに一歩 逃れれば、 妾はそなたの隣に接することは出来ても、 接触 することは叶わぬのだ

だから妾は、そなたが白きマスに留まれぬよう、様々な 駒を送り込み、そなたの隣の黒きマスを支配する妾の前に 弾き出されるようにゲームを進めてきたのだ

今やそなたの城壁はぽっかりと穴を空け、 妾はビショッ プではなく、とうとうクイーンを送り込むことが出来 たッ!!クイーンがどういう駒か、知っているか?

飛車+ 角だろ。 ・・・・・・言いてぇことはこうかよ。 ... 今やお 前は、黒い魔女幻想のマスだけでなく、 白い人間世界のマ スにまで自由に侵食できるようになったと・・!

その通りッ!! そなたは妾の眷属である黄金の蝶たち が存在するマスのことを、魔女幻想と呼び、観測者なき非 現実と仮定して否定してきたのだろうオ···? くっくくく く、知っておるぞぉ······!!

だからこそ、 妾はこうしてとうとう白きマスへ降臨し たッ!! 安心しろよ、 黄金の蝶も山羊たちも、 悪魔も魔 女もあとでいっぱい呼んでやるぜ! そなたが望むなら妾 の黄金郷へ招待してやる!!

There is also a certain area between these worlds in which such concepts as "space" and "time" do not exist.

…………そこは、この世の如何なる場所でもなく、同時に、こ の世の如何なる時間でもない

つまり、文字通り、 この世ならざる場所に違いなかった。

ここでは、ここが何処か、 今が何時かを問うことには、何 の意味もない

ここへは如何なる場所からも通じるが、 ここからは如何な る場所にも通じない

そして、如何なる時間からも連なるが、ここからは如何な る時間にも経過しない

つまり、ここは彼らが語る通り、チェス盤の裏側

Now let's move on to mirrors. They are not just "doors to another world," but are part of a larger hierarchy. Mirrors are capable of reversing absolutely everything. Even one world is capable of reversing right and left, as well as reversing the personalities of others. There are an infinite number of such worlds.

Besides, any minimal influence of the "original world" on the mirror will cause changes in the world behind it. Contamination of the mirror would be tantamount to contamination of the entire world behind it. Thus, the mirror is not just a "Door to another world" (screenshot 7 - 19)


It is worth noting that Kyo refers to the world behind the mirrors as "dreams. You might think we are talking about some other worlds, but in fact they are the same mirror worlds. He controls the boundaries between them.

There are also some other worlds between the mirror worlds.

(screenshot 20-23)


Let's move on to the Witches' Domain. You can't get into it any other way than by being acknowledged as another witch.

そして、その魔法大系の組成式に飛び込み、………彼女ならではの独自の解釈により、
それまでの私が知り得なかった、広大な魔法世界が生み出されていたことを知る。
確かにまだこの子は拙い。魔法世界はまだまだ生成されている途上にある。しかし、そ
の生成に至る組成式は、完璧かつ無限の可能性を備えている。
その無限を使いこなすには、まだまだ長い時間を掛けるだろうが、すでにその扉を開き、
その向こうに至っていることに疑いの余地はなかった。

そして何よりもこの“魔女”の個性的な点は、その魔法大系を人間界にて組成すること
に成功していたことだ。

魔女は自由と力を求めれば求めるほどに、あらゆる制約から比例的に解放されていく。
制約とは即ち、物質的な世界のこと。つまり、私や同格の魔女たちがそうであるように、
人間界・物質界からどんどん遠くへ漂流していくようになる。

しかしこの魔女は、それを人間界で成し遂げたのだ。
即ち、ニンゲンの身でありながら、私たちと同じ世界に足を踏み入れている…！

Beatrice's magical compendium contains her mirrors, which are analogous to the mirrors that duplicate the "whole universe" in "The Domain of Men," but at a higher level. These mirrors are at the lowest level of her own world.

「この島のすぐ近くの海に、岩が覗き、そこに小さな鳥居と嗣が設けてあるのを知っているか…？

魔に通じぬ者に一から説明はせぬ。早い話がだな、アレには参っておるのだ。…実はな、あの詞の中に、ある鏡が納められている。それをそなたに割って欲しいというのだ」

あの鏡の魔力は、妾の魔力と相対する。人の言葉でうまく説明できぬな。…例えれば、食器の違いとでも言おうか。あの鏡はフォークで、妾の力はスープなのだフォークでスープは飲めまい？

鏡は恐らく魔女を縛るためのもの。なれば、鏡は魔女のために割られるべきもののはず

Evidence that these mirrors have the same functionality:

1. The evil spirits of Akujikishima are the same Yokai from Higanbana (and more).
2. The power of the mirror (to erect all worlds an infinite number of times) and the infinite magic of Beatrice are in conflict with each other
3 Cleaning of mirrors is mandatory, otherwise neighboring worlds will be contaminated. Kinzo knows this and cleans the mirrors.
4. The same name in Japanese (霊鏡)

(screenshot 24 - 27)

It is also worth bearing in mind that within the world of Beatrice there are many other layers that overlap


The beings of the "Witches' Domain" are also able to bind shards and create hierarchies from them

「その宇宙戦争の世界の、マインドケアマシンの夢の中が、第1のカケラの田舎世界であると……つ」

「第2の世界で畏人が遊んでいるFPSゲームの世界が、第3の宇宙戦争の世界で…」

「その宇宙戦争の世界のマインドケアマシンの夢の中が、第1のカケラの田舎世界であると………つ」

「あのラノベ学園世界は、青春的田舎世界で幹彦がプレイしている、学園ラブコメのオンラインゲームの世界なのよ…。！」

内容はマンガなどでよくある学国ラブコメを、オンラインゲームに落とし込んだようなゲームだ

第1のカケラの青春的田舎世界。あの中で確か、引き俺もりになった幹彦は、ゲームに没票していた。

"The Witches' Domain" can be compared to going down an endless staircase. You can go down leisurely and carefully, or you can go down quickly and recklessly, but if you fall down the stairs, there will be an endless fall waiting for you

…まぁ、ニンゲンを急に神にしても、精神が霧散しちゃうだけだし。
努力というステップを確実に踏みながら、徐々に全能なる世界への気圧に体を慣らして
いくのも必要かもしれない。
私たちの世界は、底無き深遠へ続く無限の梯子を降りるのに似ているかもしれない。
臆病にビクビクと降りてもいいし、どこまで深みに至れるのか、ワクワクと急いで降り
てもいい。
しかし踏み外せば。……底無き奈落への永遠の墜落。

Witches indulge in certain restrictions in order to create a foothold from which they will not fall

その中間に位置するのが、私たち魔女なのではないかと思う。
私たちは運命を生み出し、弄ぶ。その狭間を回遊する。
しかし、ある一定の制限と限界に甘んじ、自分が転落しない程度の足場を残す。

The further the witch descends, the more restrictions she removes

魔女は自由と力を求めれば求めるほどに、あらゆる制約から比例的に解放されていく。
制約とは即ち、物質的な世界のこと。つまり、私や同格の魔女たちがそうであるように、
人間界・物質界からどんどん遠くへ漂流していくようになる。

The City of Books and the "Fezarin Cabinet" are also part of the Witches' Domain. You will now see why


As I have said before, there is a clear distinction between "Gods" and "Creator. Gods are also called witches, but the Creator is a somewhat different being. It loses all limitations and becomes omnipotent and omnipresent, but the price for this is the loss of the self and the loss of the Will.

運命を生み出すのが、神々。そして造物主。全知で全能で、全てを生み出す。
全ての制約を完全に失った存在は、……全てを手にする代わりに、それらの“意味”と
いう制約すら失う。……生死の概念すらなくなり、存在の意味さえもなくなり、……ゼロ
の域に達する。あるいは、転落する。墜落する。崩壊する。雲散霧消する。

Witches are gods

「えーッ、 逮捕状?! 私たちは元老院の魔女よ?! 物語の評価は私たちが決める! 私たちがそれを歴史に記す! 魔女は神様なのよ?! 私たちが一番偉いのに!!」

As we can see the term (神) applies here


Fezarin was able to touch this "Third Domain. Most likely, this place is the "Creator.

フェザリーヌ ・ ・ アウローラ。

ピース を 遣わ し た 、 造物 主 に 近い 最 高 位 の 魔女。

その は 、 神羅 を 物語 よう に 俯瞰 し 、 の よう に 自在 に 世界 干渉 俯瞰 し 、 物語 の に 自在 書き換え 干渉 し し し 、 、というもの。

It is worth noting that it is the term "造物 主" and not "神々" that is used there.


It follows that the City of Books, as well as the Fezarin Cabinet, cannot exist in that place. To be there you must lose your personality and will, which not a single witch from Episode 8 did while there.

Also, this concept proves that at the time of Umineko episode 4, Beatrice was telling Maria what she herself didn't understand. 0 of 1 can also create travelers, but they don't want to do it trivially because it's boring

「私たちへの敬意を忘れることは、それだけで世界への大逆よ。 くすくすくす…………最近はどうも、それを忘れてる輩が多くて 困るわ」

「私たちは世界でいちばん偉いのにね! きゃはははははは!」

「やーよ。 私たちみたいな魔女がどこからともなくやってきて、 クソゲーだのオワコンだのうっさいだけ。消費者が神様だもん! 生産者なんて奴隷と馬鹿がやればいーんだわ」

「その通りね。 ・・・・・・その結果、誰もが消費者になって。 この海には退屈だけしかなくなったわけだわ」

Voyagers are basically gods to all creatures of the Witch Domain


I would also like to note that the scriptwriter of the whole plot of "Umineko" is Bernkastel

「･･････台本を間違えた、 とは･･･?」

「勝つのは私たちでなく、ベアトであるべきだった、 ･･･という意味よ。 そうすれば、このゲーム盤はまだまだ遊べた」

「惜しいことですが、散るからこそ花。 儚いからこそ花火なのです。 また、次なる哀れなゲーム盤を探せばいいだけの話」

I would add that those Voyagers who travel through the sea of shards are not their final versions. This was shown in Golden Fantasia. The concept of the battle between the conditional White Bernkastel and the regular one was that they both came from the sea of shards


Now I would like to talk about the relationship between Rewrite and 07-expansion. If my proofs are approved, then to what I have already shown will be added a complication of structures
To begin with, I would like to say that the president of Visual Arts, Yuto Tonakawa, initially wanted to mix Riyuksha and Key's ideas

社長的には「Rewrite」に毒のような物を注入できればおもしろい化学反応が起きるんじゃないかと。ロミオさんのシナリオは非常にロジカルなもの、Keyができるのは萌え中心。そこに「怖さ」みたいなものはない。そこに竜騎士さんのテイストが混ざれば結果的に深みのあるおもしろいものになるに違いない、そういう予感みたいなものだそうです。

Now let's move on to the Interview with Ryu, where he states that he was given complete freedom to write Rewrite. He was involved in the development of not only the chapter, but of the whole work.

1.執筆時の思い出やエピソードはありますか？

田中ロミオ先生が1ヒロインくらい脱稿しているだろうからその文章を読んでから取り掛かれるなと考えていたんですが、僕が書き始めなければならない時期はその脱稿の前だったので、結果的には設定資料を片手に僕が真っ先に書き始めなければならなかったことです（笑）

2.ええ！ 『Rewrite』は竜騎士07さんが最初に書き始めていたんですか？

はい。でも引き受けた以上はやるしかないという気持ちもありましたし、『Rewrite』だけに「何かあったらリライトするからとにかく書きたいように書いてくれ」と言われていましたのでとにかく書いてみようと！ 脱稿の瞬間はそれこそ「憧れの会社で仕事ができて我が生涯に悔いなし！」の気持ちでしたよ。そんな昇天から幾年月。今回キネティックノベル（※7）という形で再びお誘いしていただけたことで、うれしさも倍増ですよ。

3. もう少し『Rewrite』のお話を訊きたいんですが、個別ルートはさておき、さすがにメインルートはあったんですよね？

それも割りと途中でしたね。ここからはもし言ってはいけない発言だったらカットしてもらいたいんですが朱音周りの設定もかなり柔らかい感じで……、ガイアとガーディアンの具体的な組織設定もふわっとしていたんです。だからこそ、僕もそこは勝手に解釈して「間違っていたらなんとかしてくれるだろう」という気持ちで書き進めたんですが、意外とガッツリそのまま使われていて（笑）。若さゆえのなんちゃらってやつですよね、懐かしいな……。楽しかったな……。

4.しかプロットではガイアやガーディアン（※8）はふわっとしていたそうですし、それにルチアに関してもなかったとも聞きました。

There is also a Rewrite on the official 07-expansion website.
Now I've only talked about the evidence outside of the novella . Now let's move on to the facts of Rewrite itself

1. Okonogie is present, which was in the entire WTC series
2. A certain カケラ(spelling is the same as in 07-expansion) manifesting as a sentient and dropped from the area above (similar functionality from 07-expansion).
3. Further evolution is tantamount to losing your own self

I've highlighted the most notable, but there are some other things I haven't mentioned yet


What do we have in the end?

high 1-B - Human Domain
low 1-A - the lowest layer of the Domain of witches
1-A (1-A high in the theory) - for any witches (due to the possibility of forming complex structures containing infinite hierarchies)
1-A high - For Voyagers (the City of Books is also part of the "Witches Domain", and therefore it itself is contained in a sea of shards)

0 - For Creator and Fezarin (for the fact of being in the 3rd domain). The difference between "Creator" and "Gods" I pointed out above

Screenshots:

1.https://paste.pics/c1084d488b532ac1998cdbc2d1b7f463
2.https://paste.pics/af811560898464fc0231133a30c3f2f6
3.https://paste.pics/e295a94588020d81015cfbeb31a58caf
4.https://paste.pics/0954e312b88187706318e02911673b30
5.https://paste.pics/e1e69ebe1c24a7271f0daf7e158f0a63
6.https://paste.pics/1297312c265a66c88929c619b1063d34
7.https://paste.pics/a30c3884d3329e4c8b976489c1a57795
8.https://paste.pics/3ca08dfbcdae4218272a548da6040955
9.https://paste.pics/173a0f576040ad266048344eb026b96d
10.https://paste.pics/06f88215513d19ec8b4a092e221872a6
11.https://paste.pics/85122a07818ea73804a26a64597aee77
12.https://paste.pics/c5e89358be872e1f95e467a9f2640f05
13.https://paste.pics/3c15edf1eb15f6cabf44fc7adc3738a9
14.https://paste.pics/cd761c4af6e1c5a7bb2b88a4f8e31262
15.https://paste.pics/68560d4608896fc828cd47769911dc98
16.https://paste.pics/0c82af59fffe819cbc8fedd499933a48
17.https://paste.pics/a93e40245ce758794b2290e0e13f60d7
18.https://paste.pics/3740347e1076860af3171fca9764c673
19.https://paste.pics/f533f035f8cd4c77ac016343a919b524
20.https://paste.pics/1b072351c6fc468f3ff9de6fd6f4f589
21.https://paste.pics/ef1963513aef9499d7fe2f04cad767a8
22.https://paste.pics/8a3a4d14aadbf719813ab02dd10d398b
23.https://paste.pics/2f9af7b385cb9582a2e77633ee4a74f5
24.https://paste.pics/1a8f7dfb0e4f32ed36255aeca4a9284e
25.https://paste.pics/8531a976a22fd9101e521cb2fd9482a7
26.https://paste.pics/7ffb8faf59d366cff25c086c4168e847
27.https://paste.pics/3dc78e744da73b474d736d876e264944

 

[Alonik]

Creators are used plural in the last paragraph of the Voyagers' tip, it is said that Creators are witches, so it is all right for them to be 神 in the same way that witches of a higher-rank than them are called witches.

航海者より高位の魔女は、造物主と呼ばれる。
Witches of a higher order than the voyagers are called Creators.

Creators themselves only stay in the singular if you separate that context, but through context it's never going to be a singular entity. As in the episode 7 when maria herself claims in the official translation, that she will become the strongest creator there is, and Ryukishi highlights this in the booklet of episode 8.

This topic I believe will not be accepted again in the singular because it is just a matter of translations thrown to the wind in MTL ignoring nihongo's syntax rules.

 

[Alonik]

About Rewrite, I also think it's a big no-no, since just because an author has reused concepts from his writing in another work doesn't mean anything. It's almost the same as saying that Marvel is part of DC Comics or vice versa because New Gods, Thor and Eternals are totally similar and some same concepts because they were written by Jack Kirby.

 

[BlueText]

Creators are used plural in the last paragraph of the Voyagers' tip, it is said that Creators are witches, so it is all right for them to be 神 in the same way that witches of a higher-rank than them are called witches.





Creators themselves only stay in the singular if you separate that context, but through context it's never going to be a singular entity. As in the episode 7 when maria herself claims in the official translation, that she will become the strongest creator there is, and Ryukishi highlights this in the booklet of episode 8.

This topic I believe will not be accepted again in the singular because it is just a matter of translations thrown to the wind in MTL ignoring nihongo's syntax rules.

Regarding Maria. There are an infinite number of witches like her, given that even Beatrice, who is not aware of all the structures, said that she is not the only one. It's just that at a young age, most beings have this ability.

The end point of any witch's evolution will be the shedding of all restrictions. Including personality and will. That's why witches don't want to become creatures. The ability to entertain herself will not help her.

 

[BlueText]

About Rewrite, I also think it's a big no-no, since just because an author has reused concepts from his writing in another work doesn't mean anything. It's almost the same as saying that Marvel is part of DC Comics or vice versa because New Gods, Thor and Eternals are totally similar and some same concepts because they were written by Jack Kirby.

It's one thing when these concepts are applied a couple of times (although there are actually more similarities there than I wrote). It's another when the interview explicitly says that Rewrite by design is the chemistry of 07-expansion and Rewrite itself.

 

[BlueText]

In general, even though Beatrice doesn't know much about the world order, at least at the time of episode 4, she presents the creator specifically as a level, not as a specific witch or creature. Many mistakenly assume (https://paste.pics/b3d928af1d0b5b373e97af94cf1d653b) that this figure here is the Creator, but in fact the creator is the white door beyond, and the figure is Mary who is looking for a way to this very Creator in the process of shedding restrictions. Which is actually what any witch does when she evolves

In the world of 07-expansion there is basically no such thing as "Absolute Zero". No matter how many times you divide a unit, it will never be equivalent to zero.


「・・・・・・ あの子は恐ろしい力を持ってる。 ・1人を “必ず”殺す力。 しかしこの世に “必ず” は存在しない。 1を いくら割ろうとも決してゼロには出来ぬように」

Except that the creator, ignoring this principle, reaches a state of zero and is absolute zero.

　全ての制約を完全に失った存在は、……全てを手にする代わりに、それらの“意味”と
いう制約すら失う。……生死の概念すらなくなり、存在の意味さえもなくなり、……ゼロ
の域に達する。あるいは、転落する。墜落する。崩壊する。雲散霧消する。


It follows that Beatrice does not understand what she is saying. At least most of her words for sure.

Generally speaking, most witches can spawn something out of nothing. Because, again, there is no absolute zero. As an example, Beatrice, at the time she was not yet a witch, was already able to create something from "nothing", namely a magical compendium


　魔女は自由と力を求めれば求めるほどに、あらゆる制約から比例的に解放されていく。
　制約とは即ち、物質的な世界のこと。つまり、私や同格の魔女たちがそうであるように、
人間界・物質界からどんどん遠くへ漂流していくようになる。

　しかしこの魔女は、それを人間界で成し遂げたのだ。
　即ち、ニンゲンの身でありながら、私たちと同じ世界に足を踏み入れている…！

　いや、……それどころか、彼女の組成式はあまりに深い。
　私が深遠の井戸の梯子を、一段一段、千年掛けて降りてきた深みを、まるでパラソルを
開いて落下傘のようにして舞い降りてくるように、…あっさりと…！

　……もちろん、そのパラソルが破れて、そのまま奈落に墜落していくかもしれない危う
さも持っている。

 

[Guardian_Doge]

I’m too busy right now but here’s the gist of what my reply will be:
I have agreements and I have problems.
There goes my upgrade attempt

 

[BlueText]

Speaking of clues. They do not add information that was not previously mentioned. There's just more generalised information there.

 

[BlueText]

I’m too busy right now but here’s the gist of what my reply will be:
I have agreements and I have problems.
There goes my upgrade attempt

If there's anything you disagree with or don't fully understand, I can probably answer that. The essence of this CRT is primarily a revision of the view of the general metaphysics of the universe

 

[Alonik]

In general, even though Beatrice doesn't know much about the world order, at least at the time of episode 4, she presents the creator specifically as a level, not as a specific witch or creature. Many mistakenly assume (https://paste.pics/b3d928af1d0b5b373e97af94cf1d653b) that this figure here is the Creator, but in fact the creator is the white door beyond, and the figure is Mary who is looking for a way to this very Creator in the process of shedding restrictions. Which is actually what any witch does when she evolves

The level of a creator is reached by a witch when she passes through the door, in fact, and nobody talked about Beatrice's conception (in fact who creates this conception for the Mariage Sorciere is Maria herself, as Beatrice was the witch of infinity, Maria gives herself a specific title witch, and she presents this to Beatrice in one of her meetings at the Mariage Sorciere's tea party which is shown in episode 7).

Anyway there is no such thing as "The Creator", nor is there a specific witch that is "The Creator", there are witches that are higher-ranked than the Voyagers that have reached the status/level of a Creator, Voyagers in general are afraid of becoming creators because they are afraid of creating something from scratch every time, as Ryukishi says in the Booklet of episode 8, voyagers are like the viewers of a franchise, they like to read and watch, but are too afraid to start creating and not knowing what to write/create, although there are many among them who do that and manage to become great creators (writers).

 

[BlueText]

The level of a creator is reached by a witch when she passes through the door, in fact, and nobody talked about Beatrice's conception (in fact who creates this conception for the Mariage Sorciere is Maria herself, as Beatrice was the witch of infinity, Maria gives herself a specific title witch, and she presents this to Beatrice in one of her meetings at the Mariage Sorciere's tea party which is shown in episode 7).

Anyway there is no such thing as "The Creator", nor is there a specific witch that is "The Creator", there are witches that are higher-ranked than the Voyagers that have reached the status/level of a Creator, Voyagers in general are afraid of becoming creators because they are afraid of creating something from scratch every time, as Ryukishi says in the Booklet of episode 8, voyagers are like the viewers of a franchise, they like to read and watch, but are too afraid to start creating and not knowing what to write/create, although there are many among them who do that and manage to become great creators (writers).

All the characters in Umineko (excluding Lambdadelta) are subject to the script that was, created by Bernkastel.


「そう。 ············くす。 私たちは、台本を間違えたかしらね」

「･･････台本を間違えた、 とは･･･?」

「勝つのは私たちでなく、ベアトであるべきだった、 ･･･という意味よ。 そうすれば、このゲーム盤はまだまだ遊べた」

「惜しいことですが、散るからこそ花。 儚いからこそ花火なのです。 また、次なる哀れなゲーム盤を探せばいいだけの話」

Why didn't I mention Fezarin? It's hard to determine exactly what level her office is on, relative to the Bernkastel creating the script. On her own, though she is a being who has touched the 3rd Domain, within the story is only her Avatar, not her full-fledged one, who has no idea that the story is being written by someone on a level above



Of the witches mentioned above the Voyagers, it is only Pis, who is part Fezarin, and Fezarin herself

Fezarin and is described as the most "high ranking witch" close to the Creator

フェザリーヌ ・ ・ アウローラ。

ピース を 遣わ し た 、 造物 主 に 近い 最 高 位 の 魔女。

その は 、 神羅 を 物語 よう に 俯瞰 し 、 の よう に 自在 に 世界 干渉 俯瞰 し 、 物語 の に 自在 書き換え 干渉 し し し 、 、というもの。



Voyagers can create from scratch without using their full potential.

They are afraid of losing their personality and will, not of becoming writers



「やーよ。 私たちみたいな魔女がどこからともなくやってきて、 クソゲーだのオワコンだのうっさいだけ。消費者が神様だもん! 生産者なんて奴隷と馬鹿がやればいーんだわ」

「ねぇ、ラムダ。 ••••••たまには私たちで、 ゲーム盤でも作ってみない?」

Riyukshi explicitly says that Voyagers think the Creator is a boring creature as he can create anything (understandably, he says this in general terms). The Voyagers themselves can already write stories, but are mostly unwilling to do so (mentioned above). Becoming a Creator doesn't just make you all-powerful and omnipresent. The price of it is your personality and your will

造物主というのは何でも生み 出せるが故につまらない生き物ですよ。



This interview only reinforces the fact that it exists, not refutes it, as the Riyukshi here singles it out as a separate creature...




There are ordinary people

There are witches, as well as creatures who are at this level

And there is the Creator. Almighty and omnipresent.

There is Fezarin, who almost died (did not become one with him) by touching the Creator

 

[BlueText]

What I don't understand is why you are using the interview as a rebuttal when it is a confirmation of what I said...

The higher up they go, the closer they are to the author's position. And at the end of the road they are done. They lose their identity and their will.

Maria can just come up with new ideas. Implementing them is something most witches can do, but coming up with them is something else entirely. Again, the interview says this

造物主でないほうが、TVの前 に座っていればどんどん物語を見ることが できるのと同じで楽なんですよ。人間は、 自分が誰かの作品の登場人物であることす ら自覚しておらず、自由意志によって行動 していると信じているので、一番気楽な存 在です。一方でベルンやラムダたちは、チャンネ ルを自由に変えたり、ときどきシナリオライ ターに注文をつけて、話に介入できる階層。 ただし介入すると物語が変わってしまうの で、その事実はギリギリまで知らないふりを している。 フェザリーヌは、そこに踏み込ん で死んでしまったんでしょう。 白紙のノート に妄想するのは楽しいけど、そこにずっと話 を書き続けるのはかなりしんどいので、魔 女は死んでしまうわけですね。魔女というの は、「自分たちは、誰かの創作物じゃないか」 ということに気づき始めていて、なおかつ 異なる創作物を閲覧できる立場にいる者で、 上に行けば行くほど執筆者の立場に近づい ていき、本当に執筆者の域まで到達すると 終わってしまう。真里亞が「原初の魔女」と 呼ばれた理由は、飽きることなく、ゼロから ドンドンとアイデアや世界を膨らませていけ るからなんです。

 

[Lynieryz]

i agree.

 

[Darksmash]

Bro the Okonogi in rewrite isn't even the same as the one in Umineko

Anyway OP is borderline unreadable. Consider formatting it a bit. Also no rewrite having any relationship to 07th cosmology whatsoever is fanfiction.

 

[Darksmash]

It's one thing when these concepts are applied a couple of times (although there are actually more similarities there than I wrote). It's another when the interview explicitly says that Rewrite by design is the chemistry of 07-expansion and Rewrite itself.

Ryukishi explicitly says Rewrite isn't his work

 

[BlueText]

Ryukishi explicitly says Rewrite isn't his work

I've already sent a post with Yuto Tonakawa's words about Ryukshi. He was originally invited to create chemistry in Rewrite

社長的には「Rewrite」に毒のような物を注入できればおもしろい化学反応が起きるんじゃないかと。ロミオさんのシナリオは非常にロジカルなもの、Keyができるのは萌え中心。そこに「怖さ」みたいなものはない。そこに竜騎士さんのテイストが混ざれば結果的に深みのあるおもしろいものになるに違いない、そういう予感みたいなものだそうです。

Yes and he was given absolute freedom to write Rewrite

Q1:執筆時の思い出やエピソードはありますか？

A:田中ロミオ先生が1ヒロインくらい脱稿しているだろうからその文章を読んでから取り掛かれるなと考えていたんですが、僕が書き始めなければならない時期はその脱稿の前だったので、結果的には設定資料を片手に僕が真っ先に書き始めなければならなかったことです（笑）

Q2:ええ！ 『Rewrite』は竜騎士07さんが最初に書き始めていたんですか？

A:はい。でも引き受けた以上はやるしかないという気持ちもありましたし、『Rewrite』だけに「何かあったらリライトするからとにかく書きたいように書いてくれ」と言われていましたのでとにかく書いてみようと！ 脱稿の瞬間はそれこそ「憧れの会社で仕事ができて我が生涯に悔いなし！」の気持ちでしたよ。そんな昇天から幾年月。今回キネティックノベル（※7）という形で再びお誘いしていただけたことで、うれしさも倍増ですよ。

Q3: もう少し『Rewrite』のお話を訊きたいんですが、個別ルートはさておき、さすがにメインルートはあったんですよね？

A:それも割りと途中でしたね。ここからはもし言ってはいけない発言だったらカットしてもらいたいんですが朱音周りの設定もかなり柔らかい感じで……、ガイアとガーディアンの具体的な組織設定もふわっとしていたんです。だからこそ、僕もそこは勝手に解釈して「間違っていたらなんとかしてくれるだろう」という気持ちで書き進めたんですが、意外とガッツリそのまま使われていて（笑）。若さゆえのなんちゃらってやつですよね、懐かしいな……。楽しかったな……。

 

[BlueText]

Link to Riyukshi interview

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[Ovy7]

About Rewrite, I also think it's a big no-no, since just because an author has reused concepts from his writing in another work doesn't mean anything.

These concept aren't even from the route Ryukishi wrote IIRC, which is even more telling.

Anyway, I don't want to involve myself in this thread any further. I have my own plans on WTC CRTs, but I'm currently waiting for Higurashi Meguri, Mei, and Ciconia to develop further, there's no need to hurry.

 

[BlueText]

These concept aren't even from the route Ryukishi wrote IIRC, which is even more telling.

Anyway, I don't want to involve myself in this thread any further. I have my own plans on WTC CRTs, but I'm currently waiting for Higurashi Meguri, Mei, and Ciconia to develop further, there's no need to hurry.

Again, you don't even read what I send...

Riyukshi developed not just one chapter, but the entire Rewrite from the beginning. Even before the outline appeared


田中ロミオ先生が1ヒロインくらい脱稿しているだろうからその文章を読んでから取り掛かれるなと考えていたんですが、僕が書き始めなければならない時期はその脱稿の前だったので、結果的には設定資料を片手に僕が真っ先に書き始めなければならなかったことです（笑）

What really saddens me is that those who are trying to disprove things don't understand what they are talking about.And in some cases they read past the lines. I will take "The Creator" as an example. Not to mention Riyuksha's words (which is not a rebuttal but a confirmation of its existence), the work itself explains to some extent how the "Creator" works

Part from Ryu's interview:

造物主というのは何でも生み 出せるが故につまらない生き物ですよ。


Lambda's words:

運命を生み出すのが、神々。そして造物主。全知で全能で、全てを生み出す。
全ての制約を完全に失った存在は、……全てを手にする代わりに、それらの“意味”と
いう制約すら失う。……生死の概念すらなくなり、存在の意味さえもなくなり、……ゼロ
の域に達する。あるいは、転落する。墜落する。崩壊する。雲散霧消する。

 

[BlueText]

These concept aren't even from the route Ryukishi wrote IIRC, which is even more telling.

Anyway, I don't want to involve myself in this thread any further. I have my own plans on WTC CRTs, but I'm currently waiting for Higurashi Meguri, Mei, and Ciconia to develop further, there's no need to hurry.

The truth is always the same. It is just that some people cannot interpret what is written, even if the author himself writes the explanations. It is not even a matter of misinterpretation, but that in most cases a person, believing his opinion to be wrong, will try to prove himself right. I am not positioning my view of metaphysics as exclusively correct. There are flaws in it too, which I will eliminate in time (in time - when I am not too lazy to go through everything from the beginning).

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm no Tier 1 expert and the like, but the proposals look okay from a glance. But it's be better if someone more experienced or better informed on the topic takes a look.

 

[Darksmash]

I've already sent a post with Yuto Tonakawa's words about Ryukshi. He was originally invited to create chemistry in Rewrite

社長的には「Rewrite」に毒のような物を注入できればおもしろい化学反応が起きるんじゃないかと。ロミオさんのシナリオは非常にロジカルなもの、Keyができるのは萌え中心。そこに「怖さ」みたいなものはない。そこに竜騎士さんのテイストが混ざれば結果的に深みのあるおもしろいものになるに違いない、そういう予感みたいなものだそうです。

Yes and he was given absolute freedom to write Rewrite

And? He still explicitly says that it's a different setting compared to his work(aka Umineko+Higurashi etc). Having freedom to write his portion of the story=/=story is canon to 07th cosmology. Besides his route didn't have any cosmology anyway afaik.

 

[Darksmash]

Also funny thing but rewrite won't even upgrade the cosmology. It will still cap out at baseline 1-A

 

[BlueText]

And? He still explicitly says that it's a different setting compared to his work(aka Umineko+Higurashi etc). Having freedom to write his portion of the story=/=story is canon to 07th cosmology. Besides his route didn't have any cosmology anyway afaik.

By a different setting, he means he has never written a novel...

He wrote not just one chapter, but essentially the whole work, I've sent the text of the interview more than once.


A: ええ！　『Rewrite』は竜騎士07さんが最初に書き始めていたんですか？

Q: はい。でも引き受けた以上はやるしかないという気持ちもありましたし、『Rewrite』だけに「何かあったらリライトするからとにかく書きたいように書いてくれ」と言われていましたのでとにかく書いてみようと！　脱稿の瞬間はそれこそ「憧れの会社で仕事ができて我が生涯に悔いなし！」の気持ちでしたよ。そんな昇天から幾年月。今回キネティックノベル（※7）という形で再びお誘いしていただけたことで、うれしさも倍増ですよ。

And if you put on top of that the fact that all metaphysical structures are based on 07-expansion, the jigsaw puzzle is formed

 

[BlueText]

Also funny thing but rewrite won't even upgrade the cosmology. It will still cap out at baseline 1-A

Where the levels above 1-A come from, I have written above (not including "Rewrite")

Well, since you've touched on that too, I have no choice but to show a small part of the Rewrite structures

Here we are talking about beings transcendent to Euclidean and non-Euclidean geometry (we are talking about the world of the Moon). Current science's conception of our existence is limited to terms of Euclidean and non-Euclidean geometry

思う故に万物の論理を知りたくなってきたのです。我々の存在するユークリッド空間において、マクスウェルの定理やニュートンカ学においても

の存在するユークリッド空間において、マクスウェルの定理やニュートンカ学においても絶対的な静止観測者が存在しないことにひとつ疑問を抱きました

定理やニュートンカ学においても絶対的な静止観測者が存在しないことにひとつ疑問を抱きました。ては我々が今生きている一瞬は何でしょうか？

今生きている一瞬は何でしょうか？流体のように常に一点が存在しない時間の中では私たちはどうして一瞬を過去と思い出すことが出来るのでしょうか

一点が存在しない時間の中では私たちはどうして一瞬を過去と思い出すことが出来るのでしょうか？観測者が存在しうること、絶対的な

観測者が存在しうること、非ユークリッド空間においては絶対静止空間を認識しうる存在、いわば超越者なるものが存在していることを私は感

のが存在していることを私は感じるのです。そもそも我々の存在は座標でしか表現されない物であるという認識その物が現在の学の限界を示して

It's about super-dimensional effects and bullets (all in the context of the moon world)

彼女たちは超次元なエフェクトによりバカとなってしま いました・・・

すんません、状況がよくわからんのですが

対策を練らないといけないわね

超次元バカ弾によって、 彼女たちはかなりアレな存在と なってしまいました

Here the term (超次元) applies which denotes superiority over all dimensions/coordinates

In principle, what I have described above is nothing compared to the subsequent structures described in Rewrite

 

[BlueText]

Also funny thing but rewrite won't even upgrade the cosmology. It will still cap out at baseline 1-A

I'm afraid that with the approval of the link between Rewrite and 07-th expansion, the level will soar very high. And I have arguments not only from Riyukshi interview, but also from the work itself. And they are not few.

 

[Darksmash]

By a different setting, he means he has never written a novel...

Uhm no, he was talking about ownership rights and the degree of freedom he had.

You worked on Rewrite’s Lucia route, which was a collaboration with many other people. Was it harder to write it without any feedback from fans?

In the case of Higurashi and Umineko, it was my own work so I could do whatever I wanted. In Rewrite, it was Key Visual Arts’ work so I had to respect that, and it made me really nervous to write in a very different style and thought process.

He wrote not just one chapter, but essentially the whole work, I've sent the text of the interview more than once.

??? Lmao? He wrote one route and that's it. You are on crack.

A: ええ！　『Rewrite』は竜騎士07さんが最初に書き始めていたんですか？

Q: はい。でも引き受けた以上はやるしかないという気持ちもありましたし、『Rewrite』だけに「何かあったらリライトするからとにかく書きたいように書いてくれ」と言われていましたのでとにかく書いてみようと！　脱稿の瞬間はそれこそ「憧れの会社で仕事ができて我が生涯に悔いなし！」の気持ちでしたよ。そんな昇天から幾年月。今回キネティックノベル（※7）という形で再びお誘いしていただけたことで、うれしさも倍増ですよ。

Also this literally seems to say that Ryukishi was given freedom to write anything because they would have "rewritten" anything that was deemed wrong. This isn't "freedom" lmao.

Where the levels above 1-A come from, I have written above (not including "Rewrite")

I have no clue what your argument is the OP is extremely poorly written and unformatted so it's borderline unreadable.

Here the term (超次元) applies which denotes superiority over all dimensions/coordinates

Brother in Christ this is cho jigen levels of bad argument. If you have anything that actually satisfies the site's standards bring it on the table(in an actually coherent format)

I'm afraid that with the approval of the link between Rewrite and 07-th expansion, the level will soar very high. And I have arguments not only from Riyukshi interview, but also from the work itself. And they are not few.

I am familiar with rewrite's cosmology and no it doesn't satisfy any site criteria. The moon world wouldn't even be tier 1 and there are a finite number of "rewrites" between the upper domain and the human limitations. Also if you want any actual productive discussion consider actually formatting your OP. And preferably stop spamming japanese scans for a work that's already translated(but if you must then provide translations along with it).

 

[BlueText]

And? He still explicitly says that it's a different setting compared to his work(aka Umineko+Higurashi etc). Having freedom to write his portion of the story=/=story is canon to 07th cosmology. Besides his route didn't have any cosmology anyway afaik.

Actually, the main ones who wrote Rewrite (Tanaka Romeo, Tonokawa Yuuto and Ryuukishi07) also did Triantology. I'll say even more. Ryuukishi did less in Triantology than in Rewrite. He basically only worked on one story and cosmology. In Rewrite, on the other hand, not only did he work on the metaphysics of the 07-expansion, he basically worked on the entire work

 

[Darksmash]

Actually, the main ones who wrote Rewrite (Tanaka Romeo, Tonokawa Yuuto and Ryuukishi07) also did Triantology. I'll say even more. Ryuukishi did less in Triantology than in Rewrite. He basically only worked on one story and cosmology. In Rewrite, on the other hand, not only did he work on the metaphysics of the 07-expansion, he basically worked on the entire work

Except Trianthology is 07th expansion's work. Why are you pretending the concept of ownership doesn't exist? Ryukishi blatantly says Rewrite isn't his work, but Key's.

 

[BlueText]

Uhm no, he was talking about ownership rights and the degree of freedom he had.





??? Lmao? He wrote one route and that's it. You are on crack.

Also this literally seems to say that Ryukishi was given freedom to write anything because they would have "rewritten" anything that was deemed wrong. This isn't "freedom" lmao.



I have no clue what your argument is the OP is extremely poorly written and unformatted so it's borderline unreadable.


Brother in Christ this is cho jigen levels of bad argument. If you have anything that actually satisfies the site's standards bring it on the table(in an actually coherent format)

I am familiar with rewrite's cosmology and no it doesn't satisfy any site criteria. The moon world wouldn't even be tier 1 and there are a finite number of "rewrites" between the upper domain and the human limitations. Also if you want any actual productive discussion consider actually formatting your OP. And preferably stop spamming japanese scans for a work that's already translated(but if you must then provide translations along with it).

Uhm no, he was talking about ownership rights and the degree of freedom he had.

I've forwarded the text several times now and apparently I've started to get confused. Just read the interview I linked to

??? Lmao? He wrote one route and that's it. You are on crack.

I've forwarded the text several times now and apparently I've started to get confused. Just read the interview I linked to

I have no clue what your argument is the OP is extremely poorly written and unformatted so it's borderline unreadable.

What exactly about the CRT is unclear? I told you in advance that I'm not good at English

Brother in Christ this is cho jigen levels of bad argument. If you have anything that actually satisfies the site's standards bring it on the table(in an actually coherent format)

The funny thing is that you just commented on the most convenient part. Funny

I am familiar with rewrite's cosmology and no it doesn't satisfy any site criteria. The moon world wouldn't even be tier 1 and there are a finite number of "rewrites" between the upper domain and the human limitations. Also if you want any actual productive discussion consider actually formatting your OP. And preferably stop spamming japanese scans for a work that's already translated(but if you must then provide translations along with it).

The fact that there is a finite number of steps has no effect on the level (although the staircase is infinite if you translate the phrase どこまでも in a certain way)

 

[Darksmash]

I've forwarded the text several times now and apparently I've started to get confused. Just read the interview I linked to

I read what you sent here. Your OP is unreadable so if you want to make any real point send it again.

What exactly about the CRT is unclear? I told you in advance that I'm not good at English

Well for starters it's extremely badly formatted. You should put the scans in quotes and preferably divide the post into different sections using spoiler blocks.

The funny thing is that you just commented on the most convenient part. Funny

???
Well nothing else you said was of value. Non Euclidean spaces are irrelevant too.

The fact that there is a finite number of steps has no effect on the level (although the staircase is infinite if you translate the phrase どこまでも in a certain way)

It very much has an effect on the number of layers there are, yes. Because the MC could have reached the upper domain by a finite number of rewrites. Also I don't even care about your obscure japanese dictionary translations. That word literally translated to "wherever" with MTL. Plus the English text is very comprehensible and consistent so I don't think there is any room for mistranslations.

 

[BlueText]

Except Trianthology is 07th expansion's work. Why are you pretending the concept of ownership doesn't exist? Ryukishi blatantly says Rewrite isn't his work, but Key's.

I'm not pretending. Regardless of being a Key property, the studio has approved the introduction of a whole root that wasn't even in the original plans, as well as a bunch of concepts directly referring to the 07-expansion

 

[Darksmash]

I'm not pretending. Regardless of being a Key property, the studio has approved the introduction of a whole root that wasn't even in the original plans, as well as a bunch of concepts directly referring to the 07-expansion

They literally invited Ryukishi as a guest writer lmao.

 

[BlueText]

I read what you sent here. Your OP is unreadable so if you want to make any real point send it again.


Well for starters it's extremely badly formatted. You should put the scans in quotes and preferably divide the post into different sections using spoiler blocks.

???
Well nothing else you said was of value. Non Euclidean spaces are irrelevant too.


It very much has an effect on the number of layers there are, yes. Because the MC could have reached the upper domain by a finite number of rewrites. Also I don't even care about your obscure japanese dictionary translations. That word literally translated to "wherever" with MTL. Plus the English text is very comprehensible and consistent so I don't think there is any room for mistranslations.

Regarding the text - I'll format it

It says in principle that the current conception of science of being is limited to coordinates.


Oriental terminology cannot in principle be properly ported to Western languages

For example, here (超) has the meaning of total superiority over something, and (高) is just high. Since the first kanji is applied, the result is this value

Regarding どこまでも. This, in the context provided, has the meaning of "Eternity". Thus that passage translates as "Eternal Rise".

 

[BlueText]

They literally invited Ryukishi as a guest writer lmao.

And yet there were parts where he was allowed to work freely.

そうなんです。じつは最初、ルチアという女の子はいなかったんですよ。小鳥、ちはや、朱音、静流はいたんですが、そんな中でガイアはふたりいるのにガーデ
ィアンは静流ひとりだけじゃないですか？　そこで僕は「もうひとり作ります」と提案させていただきルチアを書かせていただくことになったんですよ。だから自由にやらせてもらった部分はありました。

And he started working on Revere long before the idea of introducing a new part

田中ロミオ先生が1ヒロインくらい脱稿しているだろうからその文章を読んでから取り掛かれるなと考えていたんですが、僕が書き始めなければならない時期はその脱稿の前だったので、結果的には設定資料を片手に僕が真っ先に書き始めなければならなかったことです（笑）。

 

[Darksmash]

It says in principle that the current conception of science of being is limited to coordinates.

Being arbitrarily independent of space restrictions has no bearing on tiering.

Oriental terminology cannot in principle be properly ported to Western languages

For example, here (超) has the meaning of total superiority over something, and (高) is just high. Since the first kanji is applied, the result is this value

Don't care about the details. Just use the english text it's officially translated.

Regarding どこまでも. This, in the context provided, has the meaning of "Eternity". Thus that passage translates as "Eternal Rise".

I was told by people that know japanese that there is no way to interpret that phrase like that without autism. And if you use "context" I would rather just prefer using the official translation because that is more trustworthy than anything you say.

And yet there were parts where he was allowed to work freely.

そうなんです。じつは最初、ルチアという女の子はいなかったんですよ。小鳥、ちはや、朱音、静流はいたんですが、そんな中でガイアはふたりいるのにガーデ
ィアンは静流ひとりだけじゃないですか？　そこで僕は「もうひとり作ります」と提案させていただきルチアを書かせていただくことになったんですよ。だから自由にやらせてもらった部分はありました。

Yea he was allowed to write freely under those particular restrictions. That obviously means that Ryukishi practically owns the work right?

And he started working on Revere long before the idea of introducing a new part

田中ロミオ先生が1ヒロインくらい脱稿しているだろうからその文章を読んでから取り掛かれるなと考えていたんですが、僕が書き始めなければならない時期はその脱稿の前だったので、結果的には設定資料を片手に僕が真っ先に書き始めなければならなかったことです（笑）。

??? What does this mean? You should also post translations along with the japanese text. Anyway the time and place of Ryukishi starting or thinking about working on Rewrite are irrelevant to the topic.

 

[BlueText]

Being arbitrarily independent of space restrictions has no bearing on tiering.

The concept of dimensionality (4d, 5d....) inherently implies multilevelness

Don't care about the details. Just use the english text it's officially translated.

You can't get very far with that kind of logic

I was told by people that know japanese that there is no way to interpret that phrase like that without autism. And if you use "context" I would rather just prefer using the official translation because that is more trustworthy than anything you say.

In this sentence it is quite possible (高く、どこまでも高く)

Yea he was allowed to write freely under those particular restrictions. That obviously means that Ryukishi practically owns the work right?

This means that he was free to implement 07-expansion structures, which he actually did. And it was also approved by Key

What does this mean? You should also post translations along with the japanese text.

My gaffe

Anyway the time and place of Ryukishi starting or thinking about working on Rewrite are irrelevant to the topic.

I wasn't going to bring it up on a large scale at the moment. At the moment. Perhaps at some point I will write in more detail

By the way. I've edited the CRT

 

[Darksmash]

The concept of dimensionality (4d, 5d....) inherently implies multilevelness

This website doesn't use dimensional tiering like that anymore.

You can't get very far with that kind of logic

And? I am not on this website to learn japanese. If you don't want to use officially translated material go to the japanese variant of vswiki.

In this sentence it is quite possible (高く、どこまでも高く)

When the context is more important than the phrase you shouldn't mention the latter in a vacuum. Anyway, once again I don't care. Use officially translated text or provide scans, citations and translations.

This means that he was free to implement 07-expansion structures, which he actually did. And it was also approved by Key

No he wasn't. You are making shit up. He was allowed to write one route and that's it.

My gaffe

My gaffe

By the way. I've edited the CRT

Cool. Try to use spoiler blocks to seperate different sections too. I will try to read it later.

 

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[BlueText]

This website doesn't use dimensional tiering like that anymore.

This is a separate topic of conversation as well

And? I am not on this website to learn japanese. If you don't want to use officially translated material go to the japanese variant of vswiki.

To get the right idea of the universe, you have to watch the original. If you can't understand it, then...

No he wasn't. You are making shit up. He was allowed to write one route and that's it.

I won't attach the interview again. As there is a link to it and I have already highlighted the relevant points

He wrote Revright from the beginning, and was personally given a separate route, which wasn't even in the plans when he started writing it

If needed, I will provide many concepts from the 07-expansion, which were applied in the Rewrite itself

Cool. Try to use spoiler blocks to seperate different sections too. I will try to read it later.

I won't promise anything. I'm just going to try