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You dare steal my phrase?Sadlyme being right on everything isn't universal knowledge yet
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You dare steal my phrase?Sadlyme being right on everything isn't universal knowledge yet
Being plural or not have never having a thing to do with not being tier 0, the thing is the third domain doens't exist, never be mentioned and just accepted her by a hyperbol text that show to be contradicted in story (And it's only here that a thing as vague as this would be accepted)Regardless of whether or not Creators are plural or singular, it doesn't change the fact that the Kingdom of God is tier 0 territory. That's just semantics and the idea of removing the tiering because of it is ridiculous when all existing evidence, even in retcons, still impose the domain of the Creator/Creators as being unbound from all restrictions. All my other disagreements are being handled by ovy so I won't mention them.
But I am on Ovy's side for this one so far.
Being baseline H1A does not mean there is no tier 0 realm/beingAnd again if the creator is truly tier 0 won't featherine be infinitely into high 1A as she touched the boundary of the creator domain. But in this wiki she is baseline High 1A which will make the creator domain another layer of High 1A, so yea the creator's or featherine's (definitely the creator) current rating is wrong whether this gets accepted or not the
Except she was said to touch the domain of the creator which means she touched the said tier 0 world but refrained from going on cause she will lose herself. So how is baseline H1A touching a tier 0 world?Being baseline H1A does not mean there is no tier 0 realm/being
It just means there are no other H1A realms besides the one u are in
She was at the last step but refused to go as she would lose herselfExcept she was said to touch the domain of the creator which means she touched the said tier 0 world but refrained from going on cause she will lose herself. So how is baseline H1A touching a tier 0 world?
And since she can move up to the creator's realm it is just a single transcendence and not enough to say creator is outside the entire hierachy
Except that it's not show as like we tell Featherine have reached it but not enter it.U just need to show that the 0 realm will never be reached no matter how many H1A realms there are etc.
The verse can have 1 or a million H1A realms and the creator realm would still be 0 as no matter what extension of H1A u create it will never reach it
And again this is exactly it, feathrine could reach it from her own said H1A realmShe was at the last step but refused to go as she would lose herself
The H1A realm is not touching the 0 realm, is the person doing that
Not how ot works, u dont need an infinite hierarchy of H1A realms to prove the other is 0
U just need to show that the 0 realm will never be reached no matter how many H1A realms there are etc.
The verse can have 1 or a million H1A realms and the creator realm would still be 0 as no matter what extension of H1A u create it will never reach it
The realm is H1A and so is she for being able to be there etc. She in turn could reach a higher level but refuses to do itAnd again this is exactly it, feathrine could reach it from her own said H1A realm
Not really talking but umineko perse and more bout the whole "1 H1A realm/baseline H1A cant have toer 0 on verse/cant reach tear 0"Except that it's not show as like we tell Featherine have reached it but not enter it.
And anyways featherine should never be high 1-A in first
This it in self makes no sense, she is within a said H1A hierarchy but she can move out at will?The realm is H1A and so is she for being able to be there etc. She in turn could reach a higher level but refuses to do it
So until she crosses that final step she will still remain H1A
If ur argument is "she can reach it therefore H1A" that's not really how it works, that just means she has the potential to reach that level
there are verses were characters can become tier 0 but dont do it or can reach a higher level of existence but refuse to do it for one reason or anotherThis it in self makes no sense, she is within a said H1A hierarchy but she can move out at will?
except the creator domain never showed a anough transcend for the thing, like he tell if a high 1-A can go into this layer whenever he would want, no reason to be tier 0 when it's the only reason it's tier 0 in first like it's only tier 0 because above feath but the trnascendance is not to the point she will never reach it as she can go whenever she want in so it's just higher high 1-Athere are verses were characters can become tier 0 but dont do it or can reach a higher level of existence but refuse to do it for one reason or another
but since she never crossed to the creator domain she remains H1A and not 0
The moment 0 does not exist outside and is accessible to h1A it is no longer tier 0. And why bring other verses to this? I am sure the context is different and not the same thing as thisthere are verses were characters can become tier 0 but dont do it or can reach a higher level of existence but refuse to do it for one reason or another
but since she never crossed to the creator domain she remains H1A and not 0
kinda is, they can become tier 0 but chose not to do so as they could either lose themselves or would be absorbed into the OG tier 0 of the verseThe moment 0 does not exist outside and is accessible to h1A it is no longer tier 0. And why bring other verses to this? I am sure the context is different and not the same thing as this
Not how that works, though. TC's Tier 0 rating is because it's supposedly inaccessibly above the entire verse including characters like Featherine. This is already invalid and false if she's able to reach its realm and even become one.there are verses were characters can become tier 0 but dont do it or can reach a higher level of existence but refuse to do it for one reason or another
but since she never crossed to the creator domain she remains H1A and not 0
that can is what i am saying it is suppose to be inaccessiblekinda is, they can become tier 0 but chose not to do so as they could either lose themselves or would be absorbed into the OG tier 0 of the verse
so which other verse does this? WOG or Twin peaks?just bringing other verses to show that the whole "can be tier 0 but does not do it" is a thing
Also TESthat can is what i am saying it is suppose to be inaccessible
so which other verse does this? WOG or Twin peaks?
This sums up my issues with Creator being "inaccessibly" above the heirarchy. At this point it just seems more like a formality to make Umineko 1-A rather than genuine attempt at trying to go for accurate tiering.Except she was said to touch the domain of the creator which means she touched the said tier 0 world but refrained from going on cause she will lose herself. So how is baseline H1A touching a tier 0 world?
There seems to be reason to keep it at 1A, but like you just said the contradictions go against thatThis sums up my issues with Creator being "inaccessibly" above the heirarchy. At this point it just seems more like a formality to make Umineko 1-A rather than genuine attempt at trying to go for accurate tiering.
fully agree with thisExcept she was said to touch the domain of the creator which means she touched the said tier 0 world but refrained from going on cause she will lose herself. So how is baseline H1A touching a tier 0 world?
And since she can move up to the creator's realm it is just a single transcendence and not enough to say creator is outside the entire hierachy
Because Nasu is always high when he writes his storiesJesus Christ, how tf is Nasuverse more powerful than both Shinza and Umineko?
I don't see any concrete reasons other than "0 restrictions no ground :0" which doesn't really have any correlation to being inaccessibly above the heirarchy, and directly ignores the fact that it can be reached by climbing the heirarchy. Plus more stuff pain explainedThere seems to be reason to keep it at 1A
Damn, first Shinza, then Lovecraft (almost), now Umineko, soon DC. What's next? Downgrade Twin Peaks and SCP to solar system level?
Well, you could honestly argue that it's this whole 0 restrictions thing that could grant 1A through being unrestricted and above the very framework of the hierarchy itself, but that is contradicted by what was said earlier, anywayI don't see any concrete reasons other than "0 restrictions no ground :0" which doesn't really have any correlation to being inaccessibly above the heirarchy, and directly ignores the fact that it can be reached by climbing the heirarchy. Plus more stuff pain explained