PrinceofPein
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So, my fist can BFR to the afterlife? Sick.
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So, my fist can BFR to the afterlife? Sick.
Wait, I just got BFR'd to prison.Ikr, go down the street find anyone random try it out, it works
The Summary?Wait, I just got BFR'd to prison.
Why did you lie?!
Oh, that's right, actually. Maria's only advantage is the ability to not become bored forever.Since the crt is almost finished, can I make an offer please? @QuasiYuri
I think the voyager witches should get a key that scales to the creators level just like maria. Because their potential to become a creator at the end of their journey is absolutely undeniable.
"Voyagers are frightened that the ends of their own journeys mean becoming a Creator. As to why they would be frightened of advancing to become a higher-order being, none can understand except they themselves."
So i think creators called "untapped potential" like maria should get a key that scales to their level.
They have the potential but it's ambiguous whether they would take the final steps since they are afraid to do so. Right now afaik the wiki only give future creator key to Maria because her case in becoming a creator is absolutely certainI think the voyager witches should get a key that scales to the creators level just like maria. Because their potential to become a creator at the end of their journey is absolutely undeniable.
We don't know such details about Creators as a whole. So I would say the key is fineTbf we know nothing about how Maria will be as a creator, what abilities she'll have, etc. Like I asked in previous crt, I ask whether she even should have such key?
I would disagree.Since the crt is almost finished, can I make an offer please? @QuasiYuri
I think the voyager witches should get a key that scales to the creators level just like maria. Because their potential to become a creator at the end of their journey is absolutely undeniable.
"Voyagers are frightened that the ends of their own journeys mean becoming a Creator. As to why they would be frightened of advancing to become a higher-order being, none can understand except they themselves."
So i think creators called "untapped potential" like maria should get a key that scales to their level.
As far as we know Creators just have the same stuff.Tbf we know nothing about how Maria will be as a creator, what abilities she'll have, etc. Like I asked in previous crt, I ask whether she even should have such key?
what do you mean bro? I got BFR'd to the hospital.Wait, I just got BFR'd to prison.
Why did you lie?!
I already know about that. What I said was because they are afraid to become a creator, we don't know if they will ever be willing to take the necessary steps. So this key would be more based on a hypothetical assumption rather than something that would definitely happen in the future.The fact that maria is definitely going to be a creator doesn't really preclude the case of the voyager witches who could be creative. R07 already explains why voyagers are afraid to be creative, as he stated in his interview.
Question 4: Is that where the Voyager's fear of becoming a Creator comes from?
A: That's right. Manga is interesting when you read it, but eventually, you get tired of reading it. But if you are given a blank notebook and write in it yourself, you can play with it endlessly, which is much more interesting than reading manga. However, if you run out of ideas or get bored with the act of drawing, it's over. Moreover, you (the artist) will not be able to create characters or developments that you do not want. A Creator is a boring creature because they can create anything they want.
As it can be understood from the information he gave in his interview, it is clear that the reason why the voyagers are afraid and hesitant to be creative is because the creators are boring creatures. Because they're already avoiding boredom, why would they want to become a boring existence? The verse is in his statement to us in the continuation of his explanation that they can be creative, he also mentions that they are afraid of turning into a higher being. That is, he already says that at the end of their journey, they turn into a higher being, the creator. Also, it is already accepted that there are more than one creators in an unknown number. as Beatrice points out we can say as she also points out how rare the witch of origins is.that some of these creators were voyager witches before. Just as Yuri said that Featherine used to be a Voyager witch.I'm still not sure about Yuri's comment, if it's wrong, I hope Yuri doesn't lynch me .So, as can be seen from the information the verse gave us and the interview of the R07, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't give the voyagers a potential creative key.
So the Summary?...…....I would disagree.
Maria only have it because she would be special among Creators.
As far as we know Creators just have the same stuff.
If Maria's speciality to be never bored is not considered enough, then the key should be removed tho.
It's not like this is the final revision anyway. If the new series gives more information and gives us more reasons for 1-A and higher rating then we can literally make another revision. Not applying this just because new series is yet to come is a big disservice to @QuasiYuri's hard work.
It don't see how I'm being at odd with myself.Just because you said Maria should be special isn't a reason to disagree. To be honest i remember you saying somewhere in this crt that featherine was a voyager witch and finally were a creator. Sorry if I'm wrong with your comment, I don't remember exactly. Even though you have said this, not agreeing with it now shows that you are at odds with yourself. The verse clearly tells us that at the end of their journey they can become a creator and frankly, I can't even see a connection between Maria's special situation and disagreeing with it.
Coming, coming.So the Summary?...…....
Oh?Or you know you can use that one vn that no one wants to use as canon lol
Also, one question. Kinzo in his 9-B has Immeasurable speed right?...,I mean, I remember him fighting in a higher dimension in which the flow of time in the material world was perceived as stopped IIRCC. But maybe I'm wrong, I think I would've to rewatch that chapter.It don't see how I'm being at odd with myself.
I emitted the possibility of Feath being a Voyager in the past, but it is unrelated to the matter at hand.
By verses' rules, litteraly every being in the verse can end up as a Creator, even lowly humans (as we know from stuff like Lambdadelta's Memoirs).
Does this mean we should give everyone a Creator key because they can become one eventually? I don't think so.
Maria's only reason would be because she's a relevant exception among Creators and the story's putting an emphasis on her and Creatorship.
If this isn't enough for her to be an exception and keep her key related to it, then nuke that key.
Coming, coming.
Honestly, I agree. The logic didn't really make much sense to me, but we can probably discuss that laterNo. One of the last thing brought up is hpw it doesnt make sense for them to be smurf hax.
Rewrite actually doesn't affect the tier in the slightest. The cosmology would remain High 1-B even if you choose to include it.Or you know you can use that one vn that no one wants to use as canon lol
Imo the human domain profiles have their own problem, like treating them having Truth (which I don't really remember for Blue one?) as being able to use them as weapons which isn't what they do at all.Also, one question. Kinzo in his 9-B has Immeasurable speed right?...,I mean, I remember him fighting in a higher dimension in which the flow of time in the material world was perceived as stopped IIRCC. But maybe I'm wrong, I think I would've to rewatch that chapter.
HuhRewrite actually doesn't affect the tier in the slightest. The cosmology would remain High 1-B even if you choose to include it.
So what speed should him have in his tier 9 key?..., also, if memory serves me right, he can jump from his human self (9-B) to his Dragon form which is HD. Although, I find it stupid for him to consider himself as weak and with low Magic power (yes, he hardly can engluf a cup of tea with his Magic), but he can literally shapeshift into a Higher dimensional being, he can summon people way above his league (Virgilia), etc.... ImaoImo the human domain profiles have their own problem, like treating them having Truth (which I don't really remember for Blue one?) as being able to use them as weapons which isn't what they do at all.
Mainly referring to the Ushiromiya's family here though.
Tbf if I had motivation I would deal with them, but only realized they had weird changes way after creating the thread.
Do you have a link to this from the VN? I don't think anything like this happens in the manga.his Dragon form which is HD. Although, I find it stupid for him to consider himself as weak and with low Magic power (yes, he hardly can engluf a cup of tea with his Magic), but he can literally shapeshift into a Higher dimensional being, he can summon people way above his league (Virgilia), etc.... Imao
The summoning part is what Kinzo's excels at iirc.So what speed should him have in his tier 9 key?..., also, if memory serves me right, he can jump from his human self (9-B) to his Dragon form which is HD. Although, I find it stupid for him to consider himself as weak and with low Magic power (yes, he hardly can engluf a cup of tea with his Magic), but he can literally shapeshift into a Higher dimensional being, he can summon people way above his league (Virgilia), etc.... Imao
Do you have a link to this from the VN? I don't think anything like this happens in the manga.
I don't have that one, let me search for it.Thanks
What about being HD though?
Featherine has it as a key because she is a Creator.Featherine's being creative while being a voyager witch also supports the need for voyagers to get a potential creator key. I really don't understand why the voyagers weren't able to pick up a potential creator key as it was clearly clearly articulated and backed by Featherine reason herself.
Lambdadelta litteraly thinks they are mindless beings and she's the one who gives us the info dump on Creators (with the TIPS).The story also clearly and unequivocally emphasizes that voyagers can be creative too. They are no different from Maria reason.
Beatrice's case is based on her special case of internal evolving.I don't care if maria's creator key is bombed and I can agree with that but then beatrice's potential key should be removed as well because it's similar to the voyagers cases. As you mentioned, anyone in the verse can be creator, and Beatrice, who stepped into featherine's level, is no exception. Because as you said others can do it too. They do not need to be specifically specified. Either add a "likely" creator key to the voyagers because it's potential, or remove all potential switches in the verse even though they all have support. Other than these two, I don't see any offers I can join.
First I think it is should be eventually as they would eventually reach the creator realm at the end of there's journey. I disagree with the key because they are scared of reaching that realm. Maria is the only one confirmed who would reach that realm, so yeah she is specialSo i think creators called "untapped potential" like maria should get a key that scales to their level.
What Yuri said:. -and remove the whole 1A potency stuff.
̶Y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶U̶m̶i̶n̶e̶k̶o̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶?̶?̶Still disagree with 1-A but whatever might make a different thread for that
Riki was talking about truths not the Creator
̶Y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶U̶m̶i̶n̶e̶k̶o̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶?̶?̶
̶S̶o̶m̶e̶t̶i̶m̶e̶s̶ ̶I̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶e̶e̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶a̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶g̶a̶i̶n̶s̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶o̶w̶n̶ ̶v̶e̶r̶s̶e̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶e̶a̶d̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶̶̶̶t̶r̶i̶e̶d ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶b̶e̶s̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶d̶o̶w̶n̶g̶r̶a̶d̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶l̶o̶l̶ ̶̶
Well I wouldn't classify myself as a "supporter" or "opponent" since I don't exactly understand what they entail, but I just want the ratings to be accurate and not exaggerated.̶Y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶U̶m̶i̶n̶e̶k̶o̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶?̶?̶
̶S̶o̶m̶e̶t̶i̶m̶e̶s̶ ̶I̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶e̶e̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶a̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶g̶a̶i̶n̶s̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶o̶w̶n̶ ̶v̶e̶r̶s̶e̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶e̶a̶d̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶̶̶̶t̶r̶i̶e̶d ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶b̶e̶s̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶d̶o̶w̶n̶g̶r̶a̶d̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶l̶o̶l̶ ̶̶
But I mean, you seem to have some knowledge on this verse too. You've read the VN or the manga?Well I wouldn't classify myself as a "supporter" or "opponent" since I don't exactly understand what they entail, but I just want the ratings to be accurate and not exaggerated.
And? What does that entail? Are all SCP supporters Umineko haters?he is an SPC fan.