What tier is this?

[Sandman31]

Im going to make a profile for a character. Need to know what tier this is.

What is the Mathiverse? The Mathiverse transcends Time and Space . . . it transcends Intelligence and Extelligence . . . it transcends Thought; it transcends Transcendence itself. Within it - and 'within' is definitely the wrong word, for concepts such as 'inside' and 'outside' apply to individual Spaces, not to the unfathomable reaches of the mathiverse - are not just all Spaces and Times that have existed, or all Spaces and Times that will exist, or even all Spaces and Times that could exist. It also contains (wrong word, again) all Spaces and Times that could not exist, if only as a grim warning of the dangers of the nonexistent.

The Mathiverse contains all numbers.

The Mathiverse contains all shapes.

The Mathiverse contains all geometries.

The Mathiverse contains all vectors, matrices, permutations, combinations, integrations, separations, projections, injections, functions, functors, functionals, algebraic group schemes, supermanifolds, K-theories, M-theories, M-sets, power sets, subsets, supersets, and plain, ordinary, common-or-garden sets. The Mathiverse contains all data structures. The Mathiverse contains all processes. The Mathiverse contains all formal descriptions of illogical structures. The Mathiverse contains all informal descriptions of illogical structures.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Uhhhhhhh

Seems like either obscenely abstract tier 2 or 1-A, but still extremely abstract

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Extremely high High 1B or 1A

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

What is this from.

 

[Sandman31]

Flatterland

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

This looks like Suggverse shit.

 

[DrReynolds]

Containing all possible sets and manifolds alone would make this Mathiverse High-1B, and the description goes on to say that the concept of containing them is meaningless as the Mathiverse transcends all concepts, which should make it 1A.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's a Flatland fanfic.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Is fanfic like this even allowed here?

 

[Sandman31]

Its a publish work, not a fanfic that came from some website from the internet. Its like Cthulhus EU

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Its a publish work, not a fanfic that came from some website from the internet. Its like Cthulhus EU

Who scales to this in the verse and what is the name of this verse ?

 

[Sandman31]

Right now a Space Hopper that can ascend through dimensions and all of the spaces in mathiverse

It was also written by Ian Stewart who is an emeritus professor of mathematics which explains the math stuff

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Then it's 1-A definitely.

 

[DrReynolds]

It is from a published novel, so it's not just fan fiction in the common sense of the word:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatterland

I think this space hopper should be allowed on this wiki, though would being able to traverse this mathiverse make him 1A? Does he perform any feats besides travelling?

 

[Sandman31]

He can basically "hop"(ascend and descend) spaces up to infinite dimensions and probably across the entire mathiverse

He also has a machine called the Virtual Unreality Engine which made Vikki, a flatlander, able to experience infinite D reality

 

[Antvasima]

I think that it seems like High 1-B, but Azathoth, DontTalkDT, Sera, or DarkLK are better at evaluating these types of concepts than I am.

 

[Sera_EX]

Coule you give me the simplified version, please? All I read was a wall of text that's nothing but transcendental blah blah.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Seems either very powerful high 1-B, or 1-A

 

[Sandman31]

@Sera

Basically a Mathematical Universe/Ultimate Ensemble/Type 4 multiverse, same with the Downstreamers, except this one went over the top describing it.

 

[Sera_EX]

High 1-B.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

But if it does conceptually transcend time and space, then it may be 1-A

 

[DrReynolds]

@Sandman31 I think this is more than a Type 4 multiverse, because it doesn't just contain all realities which can be formally described, but "all informal descriptors of illogical structures", and is stated to transcend both existence and non-existence. Having read more, I'm fairly certain that this is a mathematician's attempt to define what is termed the outerverse of this wiki, so as a native of this realm the space hopper should be a clear 1A.

 

[Sera_EX]

A High 1-B space can contain all numbers, all shapes, and all geometries, and be described as transcending space and time.

Ultimate Ensembles do not transcend the concept of dimensions. They contain significantly more within them than Types 1, 2, and 3. That's it.

An outerverse is not defined mathematically and cannot be described geometrically. That doesn't mean an outerverse transcends mathematics. It's just not the same thing on this wiki. We do not use Type 1, 2, 3, or 4 multiverses to determine tiers. That includes giving ultimate ensembles 1-A rankings simply because they have pretty descriptions. I've explained this too many times before. It's one of the reasons Marvel is hard to tier.

 

[Sera_EX]

To reiterate. Ultimate Ensembles encompass the very concept of dimensionality and are nondimensional (not beyond-dimensional as this wiki uses). Beyond-dimensional realms are meta-abstractions.

 

[Kepekley23]

It sounds like a borderline-ish case if the OP is literal.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Depends a bit on which way it contains abstract structures. E.g. in which sense do permutations or functions exist in it?

It sounds a bit like a space that contains formal logic (and then the informal as well).

If it contains naive set theory in physical sense it's 1-A ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Edit: At least the verse itself, what that means for characters needs more context in any case

 

[Sandman31]

That feeling when this dude is probably tier 1


It already has explicit mention infinite dimensions. Theres also something about how all theories and ideas of mathematicians and philosophers exists in Mathisphere

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

We getting high 1-B flatland fanfics now

Why not

 

[Sandman31]

Is At least High 1-B, possibly 1-A ok? or just High 1-B

The Space Hopper said that he came from a metaspace beyond the infinite dimensional space of Planiturth.

 

[Antvasima]

Probably just High 1-B.

 

[RRTheEndMan]

if it's 1-A it's some suggverse level bs

 

[Jobbo]

All theories and ideas would naturally include 1-A and beyond stuff.

 

[Sera_EX]

It didn't say all theories.

 

[Jobbo]

Sandman said it contains all theories and ideas of mathematicians and philosophers, who for the purposes of this conversation are pretty much the only people who matter anyway.

 

[Sera_EX]

The verse itself is High 1-B, likely 1-A. But the characters need more information.