What tier is this cosmology ?

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

A multiverse contain nine different universes with infinite possibilities (nine 2-A structures), separated from each other by a gap called "interval of worlds" but they are still govern by the same system, Concepts type 1 and laws of the universe (physics).

In each branch there is a finite or infinite number of worlds that consist of different number of universes with infinite possibilities, each world is separate from the rest with It's own system( Concepts type 1 and laws of physics, even the world's underlying principle).
creatures from those world are unaffected by anything that is not from their world, and were stated that they couldn't and shouldn't exist in another world.

Then there is the True World Astral a higher world where the world tree exist, It's was stated to be a world of infinite possibilities and conceptual in nature, where time got no meaning and everything is possible, hold all knowledge and compared to the Akashic records, anyone who reach it end up with his existence transcending the lower world, It's also independent from the physical world.

True World Astral≈The World Tree>the tree branches>multiverse (4Ds)

What Tier does it reach ?

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

The infinite number of such multiverses would likely be 2B

2A

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

The multiverse containing 9 separate universe spacetimes is likely 2C. The infinite number of such multiverses would likely be 2B. The astral world transcending these multiverses is likely low 1C.

no, the nine realms are within a space and separate from each other by the interval, just this is 5D
imagine a tree, the same way how a main branch (multiverse) hold a secondary branch (smaller multiverse) and this is repeated indefinitely, there is higher multiverses and all of the infinite branches are transcended by the world tree, that exist in the TRUE WORLD ASTRAL.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

2A

the space that contain the nine realm is 5D let alone the rest of the cosmology.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

the space that contain the nine realm is 5D let alone the rest of the cosmology.

I meant 2A for infinite number of multiverse

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I meant 2A for infinite number of multiverse

thanks but the problem is that each multiverse is a space containing multiple 4D universes making it 5D (Low 1-C), and there is multiverses higher, below and smaller than each other and there is infinite number of them.

like I said each of the world tree's main branches(multiverse) hold multiple secondary branches (smaller multiverses) and this is repeated, the multiverse of the nine realm is within the the third generation branch.

when I say transcend I mean the higher branches are unaffected by everything from below(concepts, logic, laws, even time and space), and the the world tree transcend everything.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

True World Astral>The World Tree>main tree branches>secondary branches...>branch>space (5D)>multiverse (4Ds)>universe (4D)

 

[Benimōru]

the problem is that each multiverse is a space containing multiple 4D universes making it 5D (Low 1-C)

Having more than one L2-C structure is enough to claim that there is a 5th axis in that space, but this does not make it L1-C.

Because in this case the only things that have L2-C structures and are the same size as these are the first 4 axes not the 5th. So unless you prove the size of the 5th axis, it will still be in Tier 2.

And here is the DT's explanation:

Space being infinite in itself doesn't matter, as space at that level (2-A) is infinite in some sense anyway. You would need to be told that either specifically its 5 dimensional volume is infinite or that specifically the 5th dimensional axis (the one you add to the standard timelines) is infinite (or very large) for that to work. But I figure if you have information that specific then you wouldn't need this thread. In general, infinite could mean infinite by 3D or 4D standards, or in the sense of countably infinite times larger than a spacetime continuum, so that is just not enough.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Having more than one L2-C structure is enough to claim that there is a 5th axis in that space, but this does not make it L1-C.

Because in this case the only things that have L2-C structures and are the same size as these are the first 4 axes not the 5th. So unless you prove the size of the 5th axis, it will still be in Tier 2.

And here is the DT's explanation:

the space containing the multiverse is higher , unaffected by anything below (including CM type 1) and can contain infinite number of this multiverse, also the universes are separate by a space called the interval and each universe has it's own infinite alternative timelines.

 

[KLOL506]

the space containing the multiverse is higher , unaffected by anything below (including CM type 1) and can contain infinite number of this multiverse, also the universes are separate by a space called the interval and each universe has it's own infinite alternative timelines.

Kinda doesn't matter if you cannot prove that it is also that large along the 5th dimensional axis.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

It would be nice if you edit your new arguments into the op.

just did

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Kinda doesn't matter if you cannot prove that it is also that large in the 5th dimensional axis.

what does it need to be 5D ?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Having more than one L2-C structure is enough to claim that there is a 5th axis in that space, but this does not make it L1-C.

Because in this case the only things that have L2-C structures and are the same size as these are the first 4 axes not the 5th. So unless you prove the size of the 5th axis, it will still be in Tier 2.

And here is the DT's explanation:

here what we know about this space:
1) infinitely larger than the multiverse (nine realms)
2)It's a higher space unaffected by anything below.

each universe from the nine realms contain infinite alternative timelines
the nine realms are separated from each other by another space(interval).

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

anything ?

 

[Majorpraxor]

The Astral World seems to be Low 1-C to 1-C from what I am reading in the op.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

The Astral World seems to be Low 1-C to 1-C from what I am reading in the op.

Does this effect it's tier ?

the scan:
1)

「……Nn. The origin world’s name is “True World Astral”, and the root of the great trees is the “World Tree”. The general term for the great tree in each world is the “World Tree’s Branch”.

「Hajime-kun was the one who coined those names though. After all it’s hard for our imagination to comprehend the goddess terminology that Aularodde-san used.」

「Yeah, that’s right. I coined the name using earth’s legends as reference. After all Aularodde’s explanation about the origin world is just really big.」

According to Aularodde, it was a world where there was just a single tree with immense size that beggared the imagination.

Hajime recited from his memory with his eyes looking at nowhere in particular.

「――The sky becomes the ground, and the ground becomes the sky. Time is flowing forward while also going in reverse at the same time. Life and death are circulating infinitely. Past, present, and future all lost their meaning there. It’s an eternal world where every possibility is converging.」

And then, Aularodde said.

Those who reached there would be granted all the equation they wished for. But, that would be like pouring the water of a great waterfall into a small pot. With human body, no, even an existence with divinity would be unable to bear it at all. The moment they wished for those equations and solutions, they would perish.

Therefore,

「”The Grand Record Depository of the World”……even an avatar like Aularodde is unable to reach that world. Even wishing for such thing is a taboo.」

It’s like the concept of Akashic Record at earth isn’t it? Hajime said with a shrug and a wry smile. Yue and others looked like they didn’t know what kind of expression they should make.

Of course, Moana and others couldn’t possibly understand some of the words that he said, but they could guess that it was a world that was completely out of their imagination just from bits and pieces of the talk. It made them shivered unconsciously.

「Perhaps, this world is completely different from the nine worlds. It might not even a “planet”.」

「……You mean it’s a conceptual world?」

「Apparently when avatars like Aularodde and others become an avatar, they felt like they became connected with something endless. But, it doesn’t seem like they were granted any particular knowledge from the World Tree. Even Aularodde only knew this from the word of mouth that are passed down from the first generation heaven tree’s avatar until her generation. She has never actually gone there herself.」

2)

「It certainly is something beyond human intellect.」

Most of the story of world structure that Foltina talked about was something that he had already known. Most were nothing more than information that supported the story that Aularodde had told them.

There was just one additional point, an information that made him wanted to throw up his hands and think “Won’t it be pointless to think about it anymore than this?” despite how interesting it was.

That was the existence of “possible world”.

According to Foltina, even their nine universes were located on nothing more than a single branch from a major branch that extended from the world tree. Furthermore their universes were nothing more than the leaves that grew at the further end of a smaller branch. There were other branches and leaves beside their branch. Nearby branch would have similar worlds with theirs, while the far away branch could possibly could have worlds with completely different culture and history engraved on them.

Not only that, it might even be possible that there were different major branches that grew from the world tree, where mankind itself didn’t exist there in the first place, where the worlds were completely different, in law of physics, concept, or the world’s underlying principle.

「It’s not a simple story where there’s an origin world and that’s it huh.」

Even a goddess didn’t have a clear grasp of the details or the full picture, they couldn’t. But, as an avatar of a great tree, they simply understood that the world was like that from the moment they were born.

The way to know everything was to access the World Tree──that was to say the origin world, but it seemed their instinct or perhaps their soul warned them. That it was hopeless. That it was beyond them. Their existence itself would warp if they stepped further ahead, that they would never be able to return back to normal.

「If even a goddess will turn like that, it’ll be dangerous to go out of my way to investigate with the compass huh……」

He summoned the compass on his hand. He toyed with that object that was shaped like pocket watch on his palm while recalling when he searched for existence outside of the nine worlds.

The result went without saying. The compass showed no reaction at all.

Perhaps there was a powerful partition that even the compass was unable to grasp. Or perhaps something like the rule of the world was obstructing it.

the compass use Concept type 1.

 

[Majorpraxor]

D

Not really looks like more context to support the Low 1-C to 1-C tier.

 

[Planck69]

This is 2-A. The Astral World doesn't have a tier beyond this without further context.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

This is 2-A. The Astral World doesn't have a tier beyond this without further context.

you sure
just the first world: nine realm (9 universes separated by a void) with their own infinite timelines and this multiverse exist within the bound (space) of the branch that hold multiple number of worlds.
the world tree has infinite number of branches and it's higher than them.

True world astral>world tree>world tree branches>multiverses
(the closer the world to main branch the bigger it is and higher it's laws and concept will be and creatures from it will not be affected by anything lower.)

 

[Planck69]

you sure
just the first world: nine realm (9 universes separated by a void) with their own infinite timelines and this multiverse exist within the bound (space) of the branch that hold multiple number of worlds.
the world tree has infinite number of branches and it's higher than them.

True world astral>world tree>world tree branches>multiverses
(the closer the world to main branch the bigger it is and higher it's laws and concept will be and creatures from it will not be affected by anything lower.)

Yeah. You could probably make a case for Low 1-C if you had more information than this though. Tiers don't exist in a vacuum.

 

[Planck69]

thanks.
if the true world astral is conceptual and anyone who reach it end up with their existence transcending everything below (multiverses and possible the world tree ) without being able to come back.
what tier will a character who reach it get ?

Nothing beyond his original tier. This just gives Abstract Existence (Type 1). Transcending to a higher conceptual plane in itself doesn't necessarily mean anything until the nature of such transcendence is clear.

Athena from God of War is of a similar nature for example, yet even that is insufficient.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Transcending to a higher conceptual plane in itself doesn't necessarily mean anything until the nature of such transcendence is clear.

Athena from God of War is of a similar nature for example, yet even that is insufficient.

about transcendence, each multiverse is govern by It's own system (Concept type1, laws of physics and principles of reality) and the World Tree transcend all those systems.

 

[Planck69]

about transcendence, each multiverse is govern by It's own system (Concept type1, laws of physics and principles of reality) and the World Tree transcend all those systems.

That. Doesn't. Change. It.

Is it showcased to be an ontological difference (akin to the lower world being fiction/a dream/nonexistent to the upper being)? Or anything of the sort?

"I transcend reality" without reference to how doesn't give a tier.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

I don't think being infinitely larger than a 4D construct gives u L1C anymore. Being a higher space unaffected by anything lower just seems like a "At Least 2-A" since there is implication of a higher dimensional construct even tho it lacks enough context for vs battle wiki's standards. Transcending a reality is way too vague for a dimensional upgrade too

infinitely larger than the multiverse (nine realms)
2)It's a higher space unaffected by anything below

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I don't think being infinitely larger than a 4D construct gives u L1C anymore. Being a higher space unaffected by anything lower just seems like a "At Least 2-A" since there is implication of a higher dimensional construct even tho it lacks enough context for vs battle wiki's standards. Transcending a reality is way too vague for a dimensional upgrade too

what does it need ?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

other thing: if the multiverses are the physical manifestation of all possible structures and equations (concept, math, physics) that exist in the TWA.
what Tier it will get ?

 

[Planck69]

Depends on how far that mathematics provably goes. At its highest interpretation, it'd be Tier 0. Good luck proving that though.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Depends on how far that mathematics provably goes. At its highest interpretation, it'd be Tier 0. Good luck proving that though.

most of it is vague and uncertain, but what if the author used the term "ultimate ensemble"?

 

[Planck69]

I don't think a single mention of a mathematical concept should be enough. But I've seen other verses on the site use so eh, what do I know.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Sorry to bother(again), but what tier could the interval of worlds get?

interval of worlds: a void, space or a gap that separate nine 2-A structures from each other.
(Just asking because there is a character that shock and weaken the interval with his presence)

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Bump

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Bump

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Bump