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Explanation:
So as all of you may know, we currently don't accept Emerl scaling to the Final Egg Blaster. I think the reason behind this is fairly flawed, though I can understand where the idea may stem from. It's because Emerl began malfunctioning after having copied the power of the Final Egg Blaster, so I can understand why one may be hesitant to believe Emerl scales to it. However, that's why I'm here.
Counter Argument:
I would first like to note that for some reason, the page is under the impression that Emerl was malfunctioning only after absorbing/copying only a portion/fraction of the FEB's power rather than it being a result of it being its full power. This was never stated, it was only ever stated that Emerl had successfully copied its data and was in pain due to trying to contain the energy of the Final Egg Blaster. Occam's razor would dictate that Emerl copied the full power of the Final Egg Blaster as it is only ever noted that he successfully copied it.
Now to address the malfunctioning bit; As stated by Tails, Emerl had absorbed power beyond his limits, and his body couldn't contain it fully. Because of this, Tails believed that after Sonic beating him in combat, he'd die, likely as a result of his body being in too weak of a shape to contain the energy. But I would like to note that Shadow's comment after Emerl being defeated implies Tails was wrong (The first link in Counter Argument section). He didn't die because his body was in too weak of a state to contain the FEB's power, but because Gerald had programmed Emerl to destroy himself if he ever lost control. Which occurred the moment after he copied the FEB's power. This indicates that Emerl would have been able to live with the copied power of the Final Egg Blaster had it not been for the "safe switch" implemented by Gerald.
However, let's assume that's not the case, and that he would have died either way. This is no basis to not scale Emerl to the FEB. The fact he was able to contain that power and engage in several rounds of combat with Sonic and only died DUE to being weakend by Sonic meant he was momentarily able to contain the power. The issue would be managing it in the long run, which was the issue from the start. I don't think it's right to dismiss someone scaling because they would eventually succumb to their own power.
As an example. Picture someone growing in power uncontrollably. Say after reaching "Galaxy" levels of power, their growth stops as their body is incapable of maintaining that level of power for an extended period of time. While it is true their body would eventually fail, it is also true they are able to use/utilize this power while they are functional. It would simply be listed as "eventually Galaxy level" on the profile, with a note in the weakness section that the user would eventually succumb to the power.
I would say it's fair for Emerl who only ended up being destroyed as a combination of being defeated by Sonic and programming that causes him to off himself to scale to the full yield of the Final Egg Blaster for managing its power for an extended period of time. Especially if the only counter argument towards it is "He didn't absorb the full power" when that was never stated and "He was malfunctioning" when that can simply be noted as a weakness with his power still being reflected accurately within the profile.
However, if that's not satisfactory, Base cast should still scale off of the FEB post Sonic Battle as Eggman goes on to create Gemerl in the very next game. Gemerl is stated to be the Ultimate fighting robot who was made using the data of Emerl that Eggman had gathered after his defeat. Because of this, Gemerl should upscale from Emerl after having copied the power of the Final Egg Blaster as he's both made with his data, and stated to be his Ultimate fighting robot at the time (And should thus scale above the FEB which is one of Eggman's machines and Emerl who mimicked its power). Double so when you consider he wasn't programmed with the same weakness and was able to easily contain power far greater than anything Emerl managed at the end of the game, using the Chaos Emeralds to reach his own version of a Super state (Which scales to Tier 2).
In addition to that, Eggman in later games creates even more mechs and robots that he dubs his strongest invention yet (As well as a narration comment about one of them being the pinnacle of his creations). And given he created the Final Egg Blaster without any outside source such as the Emeralds, should know its power quite well. Especially after visually examining it destroying stars alongside Emerl.
Conclusion
Ultimate Emerl should scale to 4-A via copying the power of the Final Egg Blaster with it being noted on his profile that he simply can't sustain its power indefinitely. As well as a note that if he were to lose control he would destroy himself.
Sonic becomes 4-A for defeating Emerl.
Gemerl and anyone who scales to him and Sonic will be upgraded to 4-A post Sonic Battle/Advance 3.
Agree: 12 (@BlastX, @JJSliderman, @omegabronic, @It_is_i_wyatt, @JED, @Remus1998, @Mephistus, @Maverick_Zero_X [Fine with a likely rating], @LordGriffin1000, @DarkDragonMedeus [Fine with a likely rating], @CosmicWreck, @Starter_Pack [Fine with a likely rating])
Neutral: 9 (@ShakeResounding, @Theuser789, @The_Axiom_of_Virgo, @thetechmaster36, @ShadowWarrior1999, @Gilad_Hyperstar, @TyranoDoom30, @Elizhaa, @Psychomaster35)
Disagree:
So as all of you may know, we currently don't accept Emerl scaling to the Final Egg Blaster. I think the reason behind this is fairly flawed, though I can understand where the idea may stem from. It's because Emerl began malfunctioning after having copied the power of the Final Egg Blaster, so I can understand why one may be hesitant to believe Emerl scales to it. However, that's why I'm here.
Counter Argument:
I would first like to note that for some reason, the page is under the impression that Emerl was malfunctioning only after absorbing/copying only a portion/fraction of the FEB's power rather than it being a result of it being its full power. This was never stated, it was only ever stated that Emerl had successfully copied its data and was in pain due to trying to contain the energy of the Final Egg Blaster. Occam's razor would dictate that Emerl copied the full power of the Final Egg Blaster as it is only ever noted that he successfully copied it.
Now to address the malfunctioning bit; As stated by Tails, Emerl had absorbed power beyond his limits, and his body couldn't contain it fully. Because of this, Tails believed that after Sonic beating him in combat, he'd die, likely as a result of his body being in too weak of a shape to contain the energy. But I would like to note that Shadow's comment after Emerl being defeated implies Tails was wrong (The first link in Counter Argument section). He didn't die because his body was in too weak of a state to contain the FEB's power, but because Gerald had programmed Emerl to destroy himself if he ever lost control. Which occurred the moment after he copied the FEB's power. This indicates that Emerl would have been able to live with the copied power of the Final Egg Blaster had it not been for the "safe switch" implemented by Gerald.
However, let's assume that's not the case, and that he would have died either way. This is no basis to not scale Emerl to the FEB. The fact he was able to contain that power and engage in several rounds of combat with Sonic and only died DUE to being weakend by Sonic meant he was momentarily able to contain the power. The issue would be managing it in the long run, which was the issue from the start. I don't think it's right to dismiss someone scaling because they would eventually succumb to their own power.
As an example. Picture someone growing in power uncontrollably. Say after reaching "Galaxy" levels of power, their growth stops as their body is incapable of maintaining that level of power for an extended period of time. While it is true their body would eventually fail, it is also true they are able to use/utilize this power while they are functional. It would simply be listed as "eventually Galaxy level" on the profile, with a note in the weakness section that the user would eventually succumb to the power.
I would say it's fair for Emerl who only ended up being destroyed as a combination of being defeated by Sonic and programming that causes him to off himself to scale to the full yield of the Final Egg Blaster for managing its power for an extended period of time. Especially if the only counter argument towards it is "He didn't absorb the full power" when that was never stated and "He was malfunctioning" when that can simply be noted as a weakness with his power still being reflected accurately within the profile.
However, if that's not satisfactory, Base cast should still scale off of the FEB post Sonic Battle as Eggman goes on to create Gemerl in the very next game. Gemerl is stated to be the Ultimate fighting robot who was made using the data of Emerl that Eggman had gathered after his defeat. Because of this, Gemerl should upscale from Emerl after having copied the power of the Final Egg Blaster as he's both made with his data, and stated to be his Ultimate fighting robot at the time (And should thus scale above the FEB which is one of Eggman's machines and Emerl who mimicked its power). Double so when you consider he wasn't programmed with the same weakness and was able to easily contain power far greater than anything Emerl managed at the end of the game, using the Chaos Emeralds to reach his own version of a Super state (Which scales to Tier 2).
In addition to that, Eggman in later games creates even more mechs and robots that he dubs his strongest invention yet (As well as a narration comment about one of them being the pinnacle of his creations). And given he created the Final Egg Blaster without any outside source such as the Emeralds, should know its power quite well. Especially after visually examining it destroying stars alongside Emerl.
Conclusion
Ultimate Emerl should scale to 4-A via copying the power of the Final Egg Blaster with it being noted on his profile that he simply can't sustain its power indefinitely. As well as a note that if he were to lose control he would destroy himself.
Sonic becomes 4-A for defeating Emerl.
Gemerl and anyone who scales to him and Sonic will be upgraded to 4-A post Sonic Battle/Advance 3.
Agree: 12 (@BlastX, @JJSliderman, @omegabronic, @It_is_i_wyatt, @JED, @Remus1998, @Mephistus, @Maverick_Zero_X [Fine with a likely rating], @LordGriffin1000, @DarkDragonMedeus [Fine with a likely rating], @CosmicWreck, @Starter_Pack [Fine with a likely rating])
Neutral: 9 (@ShakeResounding, @Theuser789, @The_Axiom_of_Virgo, @thetechmaster36, @ShadowWarrior1999, @Gilad_Hyperstar, @TyranoDoom30, @Elizhaa, @Psychomaster35)
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