I'm bored, I'm going to argue for Roxas again as I'm noticing most of the arguments for him were terrible and could be substantiated far more, plus some of Sion's stuff isn't even skill for the purposes in here.
Accelerated Development:
- With only about a year of adventures across the multiverse and with next to no training besides his own, Roxas quickly went from the weakest Organization XIII member to one of the strongest.
General Skills and Moveset:
- Roxas has
a large variety of techniques (explanation video
here) that he can do with the Keyblade for offensive purposes, of note is that while he started as merely wielding a single Keyblade, eventually he awakens the capability to dual wield them, and does so very well, seen in cases like Roxas using this to manage
a crowd of high-level Heartless. I should reiterate the dual wielding part, as that's a really notable feat in coordination skill as stated
here. Sora could also
deflect an omnidirectional danmaku alongside Riku shortly after, so it'd be fair to say Roxas is around that level.
- Just like Sora, Roxas also shares a notable amount of mobility options, such as the capability to perform multiple
aerial dashes,
recover quickly after being sent flying, quick movement
to behind a target, and
flight while reacting to multiple hazards in real time.
- As it was mentioned before, Roxas could keep up with an opponent even after having his weapons stolen, with the guy in question
triple wielding against him, yet
Sora eventually just gets overwhelmed and would have lost were it not for him surprising Roxas by teleporting his Keyblade back, Sora himself is notable as is out of a good chunk of what's mentioned
here in that period of time.
- Lore-wise, Roxas is made of Sora's body and soul, and so he'd inherently get the same physical attributes, even if he inherited the appearance of Ventus out of lore reasons. Even so, Roxas could keep up with Saix, who can do stuff like
this and has
overwhelmed Sora as well. Beings like Roxas are regarded in the Age of Fairytales (which inherit his power, and are already aware of Keyblade Masters themselves) as "
unimaginable forces of the future".
- Xion as a whole deserves a mention as Roxas was capable of defeating her even while being up to 4 times weaker than her, and she does stuff like
this, which would require a quite high level of skill to keep up with out of the sheer beam spam and surrounding hazards at the same time.
Intelligence and Information Analysis:
- Has met tens of cultures across the multiverse, and has been able to do undercover work within them for nearly a year.
- Like several other characters, Roxas has the innate ability to see the remaining health of the opponent, and even has the sense to tell where the opponent is even if he's not directly seeing it.
Instinctive Reaction:
- Can seemingly instinctively
block and
dodge attacks.
- Per the above showcases, Roxas has shown the capability to react to attacks from behind with no prior in-universe warning and plenty of teleport-based or "instant" attacks as well, let alone while also having to worry about several waves of energy.
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Now, I'm going to debunk some of the arguments used for Sion, as frankly some are either seemingly unquantificable out of no visuals being shown or aren't really significant skill feats or the like to begin with.
See, this post is far better than anything you have posted before. Those are now actual skill feats. That said
Him getting weaker by the day and having nightmares and shit does not compare to Sion fighting looking like this im sorry:
This how Sion looked before she went on a solo crusade against an entire army of AG's and Hyperion. That is after she was on wheelchair support, missing organs and suffering from illness. Not only that, I know for a fact that Sion is keeping herself together through skill because it is stated as such:
Meh, with all the given context Sion reflecting back half of a shockwave is just hax, or otherwise just a (minor for skill measuring IMO) feat unrelated to her health. The health arguments as a whole isn't even usable for skill measuring purposes as that's literally just a stamina/will feat, as much as type 2 immortality isn't skill.
My son in christ, how could you misconstruct/misunderstand that argument so badly. Speed of LEARNING. Which Sion has beat by the fact that she copies and perfects entire combat styles with a signle VIEWING.
This is the only thing that's valid here, but even so it's hard to compare to viably dual wielding.
It is a worse skill feat because Skill is clearly not the deciding factor in that fight. If it was Xemnas vs Sora but he is restricted to his sword then you would have a better case of a feat, but that is blatantly not true. The difference in physical power is irrelevant when it makes skill logically obselet. You cant bridge a thousands of difference in AP, for example, with skill, you would need hax that allowed you to win. Not only that, you cant give me a concrete difference in the first place. I can. Its in her prime Sion < Hyperion pre Repair > Hyperion Repair >>> Sion in her final duel >>> Sion after getting 80% of her physical stats passivly eroded. And this is not including Hyperions massive powerups that it got TWICE in a single battle. Not only are the odds important, HOW the odds were dealt with is too.
Uh... no, KHII Sora doesn't even has hax to begin with, although I can agree on leaving arguments regarding hearts at a side as they're irrelevant for skill purposes here. I'm also not a fan of scaling skill as it doesn't work like AP and it can easily lead to inflated results, especially when no visuals are shown of the battles regarding Sion so far to evaluate.
You gave me multiple Scaling chains and a couple of feats for Xemnas skill. But okay. Scaling chain time as clearly they are so important to you.
Right at the beginning of KR scalings are combat prodigees across the universe. The best of the best of each planets across nummerous planets are handpicked to become Knight Trainees. Knight Trainees are trained for years in combat, tactics and survival. They are Sword fighters in a age of space fleet battles. A regular Knight can keep up with groups of AG's, aliens that can fly, shoot lasers and swarm their target relendlessly. Once they proved themself on planetary wars, they become Master Knights. Master Knights are tasked with running hitsquads against Type Zeroes. Type Zeroes special combat AG's capable of completly annihalating war fleets on their own. The weakest we have seen was a Grade D to C. That thing killed off thousands of soldiers, destroyed multiple warships, fought against dozens of Knights and a Master Knight and killed 5 Knights before it was subdued. Each grade of Type Zero requires varying amounts of Master Knights in order to beat. A S grade took on Humanities ENTIRE Space fleet and multiple Cold Heroes on and required Dry, the current Top Sword to learn actual precognition in order to beat. Cold Heroes are Knights that are walking gods. Only the most skilled and strongest Knights can become one. Then there is the Top Sword, the currently greatest Knight living. Sion was a Cold Hero. She was a Top Sword. She was the first Sword Saint. She was the first to take on a Grade S with no support whatsoever and slay it.
The title Sword Saint makes it clear that in terms of Sword skills, there was only 1 compareable to her. This would put her above Garou Rata, whose kinetic vision allows him to spot irregularities in space and counter them accordingly. Who took on both Sophie Vista and Ralph Paulo, who are Cold Heroes and the founding fathers of the Knight Orders Sword fighting skills, and won. Who can analyze entire Sword Styles, point out their weaknesses and improve them on the spot. Above Pray Mayer, who as a Knight Trainee was so immensly above in skill compared to even Master Knights, that no one even dared to step in to the ring with her. Who in 6 months of training went from 0 combat skills to trashing 13 master martial artists and her adoptive mother, who was remarked to have excellent combat prowess despite regular human strength. Whose Analytical Prediction where so good that the universe fastest Knight could not tag her, stated to be on the level of genuine prophecies. Above Anne Mayer, who was the only Knight capable of keeping up with Pray. Whose analytical prediction allowed her to fight barehanded against dozens of armed Knights, all stronger and faster than her. Against multiple Master Knights that speedblitzed her. Who has complete control over her body allowing her to directly control her nervous systsem, muscles, blood and energy flow.
As implied at the end of my sort of skill list for Roxas, Roxas is regarded as a gifted Keyblade wielder since hundreds of years ago across the multiverse, already putting him above the likes of ancient Keyblade Masters that could see the future in which he appears.
I'll reiterate that I'm not a fan myself of scaling chains for skill, especially not without visuals to back them up, as much as a ton of scaling doesn't give a proper "skill ceiling" to evaluate in itself.
Another actual skill feat. Sions better though, as she went from being a literal child to casually wrecking a veteran knight after 4 weeks of play training (Like how a older sibling pretends to play soccer with their toddler sibling)
Technically Roxas isn't even two years old, and he already managed to do far more than Sion presumably did in her first two years.
I mean... Go ahead? You want her spot.
Scaling from characters with bareley any actual skill feats, on top of himself having barely any skill feats...
I hope the stuff at the start addresses this better.
Good senses feats, not superior to Clints though
I'm not sure how Clint's is better? As far I can tell they're comparable if anything here.
Knights who can grasp Victory literally do the same on top of evolving in skill through battles.
I guess this is valid, but as said before I'm not how comparable this'd be skill wise to dual wielding.
Yes yes, The Mayer Style being a martial arts designed to give normal humans the power to weaponize their body, made out of Earths ancient and legendary martial arts, all giving birth to the Mayer Style. And the Pray style that completley revamps and evolves the Mayer Style into a Style so efficient it was considered as main martial arts for the Knight Order despite its incredible difficulty. We are not reading each others posts arent we?
I'd rather avoid arguments that rely too much on this kind of lore as they're rather irrelevant to actually displayed feats, as much as any random timeframe doesn't correlate too well to a skill level.
Overall, Sion has some notable statements and the like, but a lack of scans on this regard in terms of how they are in practice, combined with relying a lot on big words from lore and timeframes makes me not be too much of a fan to Sion's placement, so I'm going to re-nominate Roxas.
yall all my "Yu solos" jokes are just that, jokes-
