Warriors of Heaven and Hell: The Most Skilled on the Wiki!

[azontr]

I'll assume the debate continues then lol.

 

[First_Witch]

I'll assume the debate continues then lol.

It isnt. All arguments have been laid out

 

[azontr]

Okay.

I read through Roxas' thing briefly and personally I don't see how that even remotely compares to Sion. So, she's got my favor, but I'd wait for other opinions(if there even are other opinions, nobody gives af about this thread).

 

[First_Witch]

Its because the top dogs are figured out. People lose interesst when their character dont even stand a speck of chance against the insanity that is chinamen and later Kengan and Baki.

Not only that, most skill dickriders are just dead. Say what you want about Earl, man used to keep the fire lit. Not even Gin and is participating really, such is life

 

[azontr]

Sadge.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Have already read the arguments, and not sure what Roxas that makes him beat Sion, at all.

Sion has my vote.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

I'm voting for Roxas.
His skill feats laid out by Bob are much more concrete and viable than Sion's bizzare Body Control Feat and her numerous unsupported feats that lack scans. Not to mention a large part of her argument was how she scaled above the best swordsman in her verse, even though Roxas would do this many times over (Read my Skill Scaling Chain if you want to see elaboration: Xehanort was stated to be the most skilled and Powerful of all Keyblade Master's, yet he's at the bottom of a chain with about 3-4 people in between him and Roxas).
This isn't even to mention how Bob blatantly debunked the vast majority of Sion's argument, and no one has had a viable response to send in reaction. Scans are important here because if you don't require at least some of them, than someone can come up with a absolutely BS feat that just has a great explanation, and then it would be given the thumbs up like it was actually viable.

 

[azontr]

Sion's body control isn't concrete and yet Sora's weird ass telekinetic dual wielding shit is I guess

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Admittedly I'm not too big on his triple wielding being as impressive as Dual wielding, but he would still have needed the skill to know how to control where the Key's went while also attacking with his normal Keyblade.

 

[Bobsican]

Triple wielding is definitely a notable coordination skill feat as he'd have to be aware when to strike with each Keyblade so they don't get in the way.
Anyways, I may as well mention for clarity's sake that I'm voting Roxas here.

Also, power mimicry is overrated as I've mentioned before, and I can't even evaluate how good Sion's sword skill mimicry is with no scans provided.

 

[LordGinSama]

Going Sion fra.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Going Sion FRA as well

 

[Ballsdeep69]

Going Sora FRA.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Nominating Claude von Riegan for bows. Man's a ******' showoff even compared to some of the more obvious picks like Hawkeye or Green Arrow.

He killed the CEO of racism, but was still buried underneath a Kojiro train...

 

[Bobsican]

Going Sora FRA.

Uh... Roxas is the one being nominated, not Sora, but still.

 

[Bobsican]

Given that the votes are mostly tied, perhaps Roxas could just share a spot with Sion for now?

 

[azontr]

If nobody has any issues with that, I'm fine with that conclusion.

 

[The_Smashor]

Nominating Claude von Riegan for bows. Man's a ******' showoff even compared to some of the more obvious picks like Hawkeye or Green Arrow.

Spoiler: His feats

• Precisely predicted exactly where Nemesis would be and made sure an arrow hit him right on time with Byleth's attack
• Can precisely land a shot while dodging a melee attack with a backflip
• Can precisely land a shot while backflipping on a Wyvern
• Shoots another arrow out of the air as it's flying at him
• Able to jump in the air and precisely land a shot while also upside-down, landing on his Wyvern which dodged an attack
• Precisely lands three shots while having the Wyvern he's actively riding perform a barrel roll
• This is technically Shez, but Claude is fully capable of all of this in gameplay, including but not limited to firing several arrows with one pull of his bow, doing the same on horseback and firing arrows with machinegun-like speed.
• Can casually dance around trained soldiers even in melee while using a bow
• Three Hopes Barbarossa, just Three Hopes Barbarossa
• Despite being outmatched in raw stats, he's able to fight against and kill Rhea, who has centuries if over an eon of combat experience, with some help from Shez
• Capable of firing his arrow in such a way that it prevents his opponent from moving via Encloser
• I'm pretty sure this just counts as magic at this point, but so far as we know it's not, so he can somehow fire arrows at people from multiple angles without moving his bow. I probably wouldn't count this personally, but if you wanna go right ahead
• I don't have any footage of this because Three Hopes is new, but Claude can fight and defeat a duplicate of himself created by the godlike mage Epimenides, and then fight said mage, who has a significant amount of combat experience himself, despite mages having a natural advantage over bow users in gameplay.
• Other Archers who should be far inferior to Claude, such as nameless faceless archers and the likes of Bernadetta, are capable of unleashing Fusillades from all the way across a battlefield, Bernadetta being able to do so while it's impossible to track her (I don't have footage because Three Hopes is new, but it's in the mission in Golden Wildfire where you're able to recruit Bernadetta)
• Should be in the same ballpark as Shamir, who required an entire mercenary company to slowly whittle her down over time in order to defeat her, and even then, Shamir only notes it's "Entirely possible" she could have lost, meaning it's also probably possible she would have been able to kill all of them instead, and even if she couldn't, she would have been able to kill a lot of them.
• It's worth noting that the story generally ignores how laughably superior the playable units are to enemy armies in terms of raw stats, implying several times that simple bad luck could get you killed if you weren't careful, such as Balthus believing he would have died to a few generic archers had he not been lucky, implying Shamir's statement was intended one of skill more than of raw stats
• This isn't even getting into his military and political genius, as these ultimately aren't relevant to his prowess with a bow.

(I'm not counting Fallen Star making him guaranteed to dodge the next attack since that's something he only gets from Failnaught and is just an ability separate from his skill)

Bumping this

 

[azontr]

Do you wanna challenge the current 1st spot in Bows, or are you fine with me just plopping him into the 2nd spot

 

[The_Smashor]

The latter's fine

 

[CarverSindile]

I want to suggest Chris Gordon but I don't know where he fits in the category section.

 

[azontr]

I want to suggest Chris Gordon but I don't know where he fits in the category section.

Whose that

 

[CarverSindile]

Chris Gordon is a character from the Demon Accords urban fantasy series which is by John Conroe.

 

[Bobsican]

Does he has a page on the site to begin with? This list focuses on stuff actually in the site to begin with, after all

Also, about this...?

If nobody has any issues with that, I'm fine with that conclusion.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Sion and Roxas sharing is a compromise I have no qualms with

 

[CarverSindile]

If by site you mean this website or the VS Battles Wiki, he technically has one. Source: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:CarverSindile/sandbox

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Uh, that's a sandbox

 

[CarverSindile]

Yes, I know. I've been working on it for the past 1 year.

 

[Bobsican]

I'm afraid only stuff actually on the main site (aka, proper pages) is up for nominations here.

 

[CarverSindile]

Where exactly would it fit on the categories?

 

[Shmooply]

Checking the sandbox I guess martial arts? But you literally haven't written or proved why he's skilled.

 

[Bobsican]

Another day to remind @azontr to update the swordmen section, to:

5. Sion Zail (Feats) / Roxas (Feats)

 

[azontr]

I'll do it when I have access to a computer.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Kenshiro for a spot in miscellaneous

His intelligence section already goes over his insane skill, as well as also being copy a user’s technique flawlessly after seeing it once and Muso Tensei allows him to use skills of his fallen allies and rivals

 

[Bobsican]

Wouldn't Kenshiro fit in the bare-handed section?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Wouldn't Kenshiro fit in the bare-handed section?

Not entirely? Kenshiro literally has ranged techniques and some of the techniques he learns have some pretty good range as well. (Unless we're going off of what he's best skilled at? Which Hokuto does have ranged techniques)

 

[Bobsican]

Well, he doesn't appear to rely on a weapon for that kind of stuff to begin with, and while he apparently has experience using a few weapons, it doesn't look like that's his best area.

The main reason there's multiple sections is because comparing the skill of (for example) a bow user to the of a martial artist is pretty difficult to properly compare to say the least, so yeah, the focus here is on what'd he'd be most skilled at, plus there's precedent on that IIRC.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Ah, and I don't think shooting ki beams out of his hand would count for range either, in that case he'd probably be in the bare handed category in Multi-Faceted, he does use more than just Hokuto Shinken, he can also use Nanto Seiken, Gento Ko Ken, and more, and he can copy techniques after seeing them once on the fly as well so he would be pretty well suited for that category

 

[azontr]

I've added Pissxas to the list with Sion.

 

[Epiccheev]

Hokuto no ken is a supernatural heavy martial arts that has a lot of unquantifiable stuff like ki manipulation. wich is kinda ignored in this thread. His copying and anything that doesn't rely on ki/supernatural/unquantifiable stuff is fair game.