Warriors of Heaven and Hell: The Most Skilled on the Wiki!

[DaReaperMan]

If we were going purely by visual feats and not statements for skill I think that Hank from Madness Combat would easily fold everyone in this list.

(Even the average movie skill man has more impressive visual skill feats than anime people tbh)

Funny you say that because Darksiders(more specifically War) has insane army solos which kind of invalidate Hank lmfao

 

[Phoenks]

Funny you say that because Darksiders(more specifically War) has insane army solos which kind of invalidate Hank lmfao

Are they visual tho?

Also, it's more than just Hanks army soloing. Its his ability to fight with literally every possible weapon in so many different situations and keep up an insane level of consistency despite the downright stupid odds against him.

I think visually it's a lot more impressive than some random guy beating up an army of fodders (which is typically what a "army soloing" feat ends up boiling down to)

 

[azontr]

Are they visual tho?

Knowing Reaper most likely not.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Are they visual tho?

Yes, for the more impressive shit.

Crucible is literally a DLC for DS 2 and 3, Angel Tower is what War was doing for a nice chunk of the Abomination Vault novel and we see more then a few of the levels he ******* trashed, and we literally see War going apeshit in the army at the end of the Abomination Vault novel .ol

 

[Bobsican]

He'd have to be in the Multi-Faceted Martial Artists section due to how Hokuto works, I'll just lay down some of the stuff he does
- As a kid he could casually fold 10 Nanto masters

• Hokuto Shinken allows the user to completely master any martial art he sees being performed (he doesn't need to fight against it), such mastery lets him acquire abilities he hasn't even seen, gives him complete understanding over how the martial art itself functions (even better than the original user) and parts of its backstory, also allows the user to completely precog said martial art to the point of statuing an opponent who he could barely react to, Hokuto practitioners can "purify" the martial art by removing the negative thoughts of the original user
• Scales massively above the Colonel, who mastered "every method of killing there is", which would include both martial arts and weapons, since he's a soldier and uses knives, Raoh, even before going on a spree to master "hundreds of martial arts" had already mastered almost every martial art, HNK is a verse that would have AT LEAST twice the amount of martial arts as the real world, since Nanto by itself is divided in 108 different martial arts, which Ken is confirmed to have mastered entirely, Kasumi has mastered martial arts as a whole
• Has a ridiculous amount of ways to precog the opponent: Can precog via reading eye and muscle movements, via the movement of air around his opponent, via analysing the rhythm of your breathing after just 2 moves, via seeing the moment in which the opponent channels energy into his next blow and they can have entire mind-battles where they read two steps ahead of the opponent; in turn, he can resist precog via both erasing all intention from his attack and mind (He can still precog you if you do it tho) and by having an "unconscious fist" devoid of worldly thought, which is impossible to precog, this is different from things like subconscious reflexes, which are easily precog'd by Hokuto users and considered fodder
• Can find a perfect counter to any technique after seeing it once, which includes things like being able to block an attack that could duraneg him, find a counter to ki-draining, being able to locate an attack that's being thrown inside a space-warped pocket dimension or finding a way to negate the effects of being thrown in a pocket dimension without gravity by rotating at high speeds and using centrifugal force to actually find his footing.
• Even after being completely memory wiped to the point of not even remembering his name, Ken can instinctively use Hokuto Shinken and target an opponent's hidden attack in order to counter it
• Hokuto Shinken is a martial art with infinite fighting variations that can't be mastered by people on the skill level of the Colonel; it incorporates the moves from every martial art it fights and it's been involved in countless conflicts throughout history, it even split itself into defferent branches just so they could develop separately and then fight in order to feed Hokuto Shinken new techniques, both Ken and Kasumi attained the very essence of Hokuto Shinken
• Toki's Soft Fist allows the user to completely negate his opponent's strength and use it against him, Toki can also bend fate via his skill/talent
• Mastered Nanto Suichoken at least to Rei's level, Rei in his younger days could slice ligaments and tendons so finely and precisely that an average human could be completely unscathed if they stayed still for just 3 seconds, because the cut would heal; even microscopic damage to ligaments takes around 6 weeks to heal
• Can completely disappear from Shuu's sight/perception, Shuu can sense life force from hundreds of meters away and "see with his mind's eye", You can't sneak up on Ken, no matter how quiet you are
• He has a perfect guard with no opening whatsoever, Kaiser, who scales significantly below Ken in skill, can physically see evvery possible blind spot on a person's body as a dot that lights up when said blid spot is open, Shachi, who similarly is nowhere near as skilled as Ken, can purposefully open up a blind spot just to punish his opponent
• Kasumi is able to identify a person who touched a piece of chalk several minutes prior by discerning the percentage of bodily acid contained in the minuscule amount of sweat left by the fingertips of the person
• Ken can use a strand of hair to hit a pressure point the size of a needle mid-fight, can stop hundreds of arrows at the same time and throw them back, head-shotting the archers with one arrow each

And believe me, I could go on, but I stop here. As for his spot, I don't know, I honestly feel like 90% of Karate Kid's feats are not skill at all and him just blatantly not belonging in the tier he's in/using duraneg/having techniques that surpass his AP, which has no bearing on combat skill, I feel like what I showed here eclipses whatever has been brought up for him (that I saw, at least) in terms of actual skill besides the amount of martial arts mastered, which is guess all of the galaxy's martial arts>however many martial arts Ken knows

Given that Armorchompy didn't defend the placement of Karate Kid, put Kenshiro above Karate Kid in multi-faceted martial arts.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[azontr]

Given that Armorchompy didn't defend the placement of Karate Kid, put Kenshiro above Karate Kid in multi-faceted martial arts.

Does anybody have any objections to this ig?

 

[Bobsican]

Looks like not.

 

[azontr]

Will change it then.

In like, 15,000 years.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Phoenks]

Well yeah I still think Shirou deserves top 1 misc

 

[Bobsican]

@TheKingStrategist13 is yet to reply to what I've said or so.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Not only did the response I was going to send to this thread get deleted, but frankly, I was never even aiming for Sora's spot anyways (Though that might just be because for as much a Fate fan as I am, KH is much more important to me, so I might have slight Bias)

Though maybe I'll try to get the energy again to reply at least to the most relevant parts of what Bob had said, I'm not particularly motivated rn to debate Shirou > Sora

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Well yeah I still think Shirou deserves top 1 misc

Actually, looking at your Profile, you debate Tsukihime/Fate, correct? Now, I'm not saying you should or asking you to, but, if you really believe that Shirou deserves to be 1st, you can also jump in and Argue for him further, too, using evidence already posted as well as any evidence you find. Of course, if you don't want to, you don't have to, just leaving that out there.

Also, keep in mind (And this isn't exactly saying that Bob's opinion doesn't matter, it certainly does), if you do argue for him, the point isn't necessarily to convince Bob, but rather, a sufficient number of people, that Shirou should be > Sora in skill. More specifically, the OP Suggests creating a thread pitting the two against one another in a purely skill contest.

 

[azontr]

Making a thread for the match would probably be a more effective method than arguing here, actually. Nobody but @Firephoenixearl has actually utilized that.

 

[Bobsican]

Oh no, a thread was also made to argue between Sora and Rex Salazar previously.

 

[azontr]

Oh yeah that.

Forgor about that.

You get my point-

 

[Bobsican]

Made the thread

 

[Kirinator07]

SCP-076-2 - Able for 1st place on swords/daggers

 

[Zaratthustra]

SCP-076-2 - Able for 1st place on swords/daggers

You need to mention his "skills" "feats" like how other people have done. If not, the character wouldn't even be counted and ignored completely.

 

[Kirinator07]

You need to mention his "skills" "feats" like how other people have done. If not, the character wouldn't even be counted and ignored completely.

Would lore even count? so far I've heard from other threads his combat skill can contend with the likes of Ikki, but I'll see.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Why do you mention a character you have no knowledge of? ... anyway. Look on the first page, click on the swords/daggers spoiler tab, and then on any (Feats) of the characters there; here you'll see how the feats were mentioned/organized, etc. This may help you.

 

[Kirinator07]

Why do you mention a character you have no knowledge of? ... anyway. Look on the first page, click on the swords/daggers spoiler tab, and then on any (Feats) of the characters there; here you'll see how the feats were mentioned/organized, etc. This may help you.

Now who said I have no knowledge on it? if you'd read my post I stated that I'll look more into it, His intelligence covers some aspects but doesn't go over all of them which is what I'm going through, I'd also need supporters from the verse to confirm if what they say about him is really true.

 

[Bobsican]

TBH 076 looks more like a misc character, but yeah, a skill feat list is required for the purposes of ths thread.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[azontr]

Is the Sora vs Shirou shit finished yet?

 

[Bobsican]

Nope, but Sora is kinda stomping vote-wise, @Phoenks doesn't seem to be willing to actually argue for Shirou or anything.

 

[azontr]

Sounds like a skill issue.

 

[Shmooply]

get it its because its a skill thread do you guys get it it i i ge t i tb e the joke guys the joke is tha

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Kirinator07]

Alright Sora, your time is up

Able for 1st place in miscellaneous, I still might have to ask for clarification from the other verse members, but this is what he has as of now plus what's on his page.

SCP-076-2 - Able

• Gracefully dodges a shockwave of soil
• After being told the rules to dodgeball just three hours earlier, he dominates against the rest of MTF Omega-7 for 20 rounds straight, not even breaking a sweat
• Impales Dr. Bright in the chest before he can pull the trigger of a gun
• Swats handgun and assault rifle bullets out of the air with a length of steel rebar
• throws forty daggers in 5 or 6 seconds
• Swings a massive sword so rapidly its barely more than a blur, impaling into the ground with it
• Spins a sword in both of his hands at thousands of rpm, using them like massive circular saws
• Ducks under automatic gunfire
• Kills almost an entire platoon of 43 people sent in to kill him
• Cleaves through an entire legion of guards in twenty minutes, while his hands are completely mangled
• Slaughters half the staff of a wing after being bloodlusted by SCP-619-J
• Avoids gunfire from six .50 caliber heavy machine guns as he runs down a hallway, swatting away any bullets he couldn't avoid with two ninjatōs then throws more blades into the barrels of six heavy machine guns to disable them
• Swims through the 150 meter long killing corridor in barely a minute (which would have been faster had he not been wearing a cape at the time), effortlessly dodging the fire of the close-in weapon’s system while doing so
• The Foundation has to nuke an Area just to stop a containment breach by SCP-076-2
• Battles Don Quixote, SCP-4028, for the better half of a day, admitting that the two are equally matched
• Fights an instance of SCP-1669 for fourteen hours, only failing when the instance manifested an unknown weapon
  • SCP-1669 instances are identical clones of a Foundation Doctor that attempt to kill the previous instance by any means possible, being created proportionately stronger compared to the level of protection the currently living instance is placed under
• In a previous reality, he killed about 150,000 people in a massacre single-handedly
• SCP-4840 relays a story about the beginning of creation, mentioning that Able, his brother, raised an army and savaged his father (Asam, the First King of Men)'s lands, "laying waste to the world of men by the sword and the torch"
• Holds off Foundation forces for over twelve hours during an escape attempt
• Fought against SCP-083-D while it was wielding an unknown SCP long enough that the on-site nuke was detonated, which according to another page takes 10 minutes
• SCP-076-2 has had several fights with SCP-682 across multiple tales, consistently ending in a draw, with Able even being noted as a threat to it, SCP-682 is consistently noted for its incredible adaptivity, notable resilience, and being able to copy & replicate its enemy, yet Able was able to thrash it.
  • SCP-076-2 and SCP-682 exchange devastatingly strong attacks, with SCP-076-2 using powerful, mostly chainsaw-like weaponry and SCP-682 constantly regenerating its wounds while attacking with its monstrous physical strength. SCP-076-2 was able to split SCP-682 completely in half with a "sword", however he was still cleaved in two by its teeth
  • An hour long fight leaves both SCPs heavily wounded, in particular SCP-076-2 was wounded to the point of using his own severed entrails as weapons. The fight ends when SCP-076-2 creates a makeshift uraninite bomb and disintegrates the both of them
  • SCP-076-2 and SCP-682 fight to the point of both receiving enormous damage, with SCP-076-2 producing more weapons than the total number recorded since its containment, and 93% of SCP-682's body mass being damaged or removed. The battle is interrupted by an unexplained anomaly that results in the sudden appearance and disappearance of a black hole, leaving both SCPs completely incapacitated
  • Knocks SCP-682 onto its back with a kick from a bladed boot, then continuously pounds into 682 with weapons hard enough that they either lodge into it or break from the strain, leaving SCP-682 struggling to breath and reform itself

Hevel Ab-Leshal/Gilgamesh

• Is described as greatly skilled in combat, having defended his home from beasts and demons, Is also described as "unbeatable in combat" and "one of the mightiest rulers in the entire world"
• Fights the Daevites for thirty-three years, before giving in and swearing himself to the dark gods of the Daevas, becoming Ab-Leshal and the leader of the Daevites' armies
• Defeats many more monsters sent by the gods alongside Enkidu
• Defeated entire armies by himself
• Fights a revived Enkidu, who was given two divine boons from the gods, for seven years, seven months, and seven days before he finally gives in, the fight was so destructive that entire empires crumbled around them as they fought.
• Genocided the Daevites

 

[azontr]

@Bobsican get the belt

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Various of those are feats done thanks to stats so they are irrelevant for skill but ok.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Shirou beats him cause funny Gilgamesh reference

Looks like Bob might finally get some proper debate, huh?

 

[Bobsican]

Man, I'm a meme here now, huh? Lol, anyways, as I'm sure KH is dead on matches outside this wacky hole...

Apparently Imgur will go under maintenance in a few minutes and I'll be sleeping by when it's done, so I'll reply to this tomorrow.

 

[Bobsican]

I dislike having to deal with cases of no visuals whatsoevers, stuff is kinda left to the imagination to some degree and users here love taking the highest possible take of a "feat", anyways...

Alright Sora, your time is up

Able for 1st place in miscellaneous, I still might have to ask for clarification from the other verse members, but this is what he has as of now plus what's on his page.

SCP-076-2 - Able

• Gracefully dodges a shockwave of soil

...How large was the shockwave anyways? And was the area restrained or anything? This is just kinda using big words to what boils down to "he jumped above the attack", which is barely a skill feat of note TBH.

• After being told the rules to dodgeball just three hours earlier, he dominates against the rest of MTF Omega-7 for 20 rounds straight, not even breaking a sweat

I'm sure it's brought up in the article for 076 that his biology is quite different from a human's, so the need to sweat is left up on the air, but either way, this is just stamina, not skill, do we even know if the MTFs were particularly skilled on this to begin with?

• Impales Dr. Bright in the chest before he can pull the trigger of a gun

Speed feat, not a skill feat per-say beyond the basic strategy of killing someone before they can do anything

• Swats handgun and assault rifle bullets out of the air with a length of steel rebar

Okay, now that's more of a skill feat of note, but eh, Sora still has better on that department, such as dealing with something similar skill-wise but omnidirectionally in synchronization with someone else, thus also displaying multitasking by coordination and overall a better feat, as I presume the artillery targeting 076's was just by tens of soldiers at most.

• throws forty daggers in 5 or 6 seconds

Also speed, we don't even know if he aimed all of that properly, unless that's covered a bit later on that scan.

• Swings a massive sword so rapidly its barely more than a blur, impaling into the ground with it

A decent-ish skill feat given how it's described, but Sora could also keep up with someone wielding 7 of those at once doing similar stuff.
https://imgur.com/a/z5iAFdD

• Spins a sword in both of his hands at thousands of rpm, using them like massive circular saws

This leans more into a bit of tactical skill to corner a target with that, but beyond that it's just speed, lol.
https://imgur.com/a/eUVxeTn

• Ducks under automatic gunfire

Sounds more like speed feat than a skill feat per-say.
https://imgur.com/a/2J0Guar

• Kills almost an entire platoon of 43 people sent in to kill him

...Which I presume were fodder in relation to him anyways? I could similarly pull Sora fighting an army of 1000 opponents at once if we want to get there.
https://imgur.com/a/QJIvuL9

• Cleaves through an entire legion of guards in twenty minutes, while his hands are completely mangled

...Hands which were somewhat fixed by using chains, mind you, he was still crippled and all, but this is just unquantificable beyond being a stamina feat, and I presume the guards are also fodder in relation to him anyways.
https://imgur.com/a/hXfNQ3O

• Slaughters half the staff of a wing after being bloodlusted by SCP-619-J

...Most of which wasn't prepared for fighting or anything, also fodder, lol.
https://imgur.com/a/NUbAGdX

• Avoids gunfire from six .50 caliber heavy machine guns as he runs down a hallway, swatting away any bullets he couldn't avoid with two ninjatōs then throws more blades into the barrels of six heavy machine guns to disable them

Okay, this is a decent series of notable skill feats, let's see... Sora can also do something similar while also being limited on movement by spatial hax.
https://imgur.com/a/O91wQbe

• Swims through the 150 meter long killing corridor in barely a minute (which would have been faster had he not been wearing a cape at the time), effortlessly dodging the fire of the close-in weapon’s system while doing so

Sora could fight someone underwater while having to deal with hot pillars and spheres going after him.
https://imgur.com/a/XEfSqZM

• The Foundation has to nuke an Area just to stop a containment breach by SCP-076-2

They do that to a ton of SCPs in general, the Foundation as a whole is willing to go to ridiculous extremes to preserve "normalcy", plus this just means at most he upscales considerably from "normal" trained people, which are still fodder in relation to him, so it's not that much of a feat.
https://imgur.com/a/9VPjRNU

• Battles Don Quixote, SCP-4028, for the better half of a day, admitting that the two are equally matched

Stamina feat, needs more stuff to be notable here skill-wise, such as what SCP-4028 has displayed skill-wise to begin with that'd be relevant here.
https://imgur.com/a/0c8rdex

• Fights an instance of SCP-1669 for fourteen hours, only failing when the instance manifested an unknown weapon
  • SCP-1669 instances are identical clones of a Foundation Doctor that attempt to kill the previous instance by any means possible, being created proportionately stronger compared to the level of protection the currently living instance is placed under

...A suicide weapon, anyways, this goes into the "nonsense" level of skill stuff, as skill scaling loops are generally a no.
https://imgur.com/a/GC1konD

• In a previous reality, he killed about 150,000 people in a massacre single-handedly

A "systematic massacre", implying this was more long-term, plus you've yet to elaborate if those 150,000 people had anything of note and weren't just fodder either way.
https://imgur.com/a/JXSIERi

• SCP-4840 relays a story about the beginning of creation, mentioning that Able, his brother, raised an army and savaged his father (Asam, the First King of Men)'s lands, "laying waste to the world of men by the sword and the torch"

Too vague to be particularly of note beyond strategical skill being implied.
https://imgur.com/a/8P0nxlW

• Holds off Foundation forces for over twelve hours during an escape attempt

...Also quite vague, even then, lol stamina and fodder.
http://imgur.com/a/b8FS4QH

• Fought against SCP-083-D while it was wielding an unknown SCP long enough that the on-site nuke was detonated, which according to another page takes 10 minutes

The size wasn't mentioned nor confirmed to be related to causing the on-site nuke to be detonated, but rather multiple dangerous SCPs getting out of containment, beyond that this is too vague to be particularly of note skill-wise.
http://imgur.com/a/8QbQEH5

• SCP-076-2 has had several fights with SCP-682 across multiple tales, consistently ending in a draw, with Able even being noted as a threat to it, SCP-682 is consistently noted for its incredible adaptivity, notable resilience, and being able to copy & replicate its enemy, yet Able was able to thrash it.

You and I know 682 is a smurf, and is put into "near-death" state multiple times until he lol adapts, that said...

• • Knocks SCP-682 onto its back with a kick from a bladed boot, then continuously pounds into 682 with weapons hard enough that they either lodge into it or break from the strain, leaving SCP-682 struggling to breath and reform itself
  • SCP-076-2 and SCP-682 exchange devastatingly strong attacks, with SCP-076-2 using powerful, mostly chainsaw-like weaponry and SCP-682 constantly regenerating its wounds while attacking with its monstrous physical strength. SCP-076-2 was able to split SCP-682 completely in half with a "sword", however he was still cleaved in two by its teeth

Notable and all given it goes decently in-depth of how 076 actually fights over just either leaving it vague or quickly obliterating fodder.

• • An hour long fight leaves both SCPs heavily wounded, in particular SCP-076-2 was wounded to the point of using his own severed entrails as weapons. The fight ends when SCP-076-2 creates a makeshift uraninite bomb and disintegrates the both of them

Also notable to some degree, but maybe a bit vague to measure skill IMO.
https://imgur.com/a/DhJxBvB

• • SCP-076-2 and SCP-682 fight to the point of both receiving enormous damage, with SCP-076-2 producing more weapons than the total number recorded since its containment, and 93% of SCP-682's body mass being damaged or removed. The battle is interrupted by an unexplained anomaly that results in the sudden appearance and disappearance of a black hole, leaving both SCPs completely incapacitated

Quite vague, but at this point it's clear that 076 can upscale skill wise from 682, although it'd be difficult to claim decent skill feats for 682 that don't just border into hax, so this goes more into just skill on managing to keep up with physically stronger opponents, respectively.

https://imgur.com/a/7sJngSO

Hevel Ab-Leshal/Gilgamesh

• Is described as greatly skilled in combat, having defended his home from beasts and demons, Is also described as "unbeatable in combat" and "one of the mightiest rulers in the entire world"

...Beasts and demons that I presume have no notable skill feats for the purposes of this list to begin with, and Sora is regarded as an unimaginable force of the future in a setting that then splits into over 10^24 universes.

Gotta just quote the skill blog (please read it BTW):

- Lore-wise, Sora's only not regarded formally as a Keyblade Master out of failing the Mark of Mastery (or rather, was disqualified out of external events), even if he can still beat up "proper" Keyblade Masters like Aqua and is straight up above King Mickey, who has been one for over a decade. In any case, beings like Sora are regarded in the Age of Fairytales (which inherit his power, and are already aware of Keyblade Masters themselves) as "unimaginable forces of the future".

https://imgur.com/a/XCWyIgz

• Fights the Daevites for thirty-three years, before giving in and swearing himself to the dark gods of the Daevas, becoming Ab-Leshal and the leader of the Daevites' armies

Sounds more like a long-term war than a constant battle per-say, and the rest doesn't tell me much, being the leader of an army of unquantificable skill capabilities isn't the way to go here.
https://imgur.com/a/uRcU3Lw

• Defeats many more monsters sent by the gods alongside Enkidu

...Killing gods doesn't tell me much either, as much as we don't give a tier to a character jut because they're deemed a deity in-verse.
https://imgur.com/a/IVyKMYs

• Defeated entire armies by himself

...Armies that had no confirmed skill feats of note and were presumably fodder to begin with.
https://imgur.com/a/Gy36jZk

• Fights a revived Enkidu, who was given two divine boons from the gods, for seven years, seven months, and seven days before he finally gives in, the fight was so destructive that entire empires crumbled around them as they fought.

I mean, this destruction of empires was over time, and even so the proper details of the fight are left too vague to be of note here.

• Genocided the Daevites

Also unquantificable as not sufficient details are given for the purposes of measuring skill.

TBH IDK what to say, most feats provided here are just sweeping fodder, several stamina or speed feats that don't particularly portray a relevant skill for the purposes of this thread per-say, and of course quite a ton of vagueness from "skill-scaling" to stuff that isn't too elaborated on to begin with.