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Lil bro got the whole squad laughing with that one.
The kind of things i gotta sit through man.
The kind of things i gotta sit through man.
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just admit I baited you okay? don't worry, I'll only never let you live it down.Lil bro got the whole squad laughing with that one.
The kind of things i gotta sit through man.
We'll see about that, lolI'm still salty cuz with that Dante is practically untouchable here
Bumping for votes.Anyway let's have the people vote for this now:
On 1 had we have Kojiro who: Has analytical prediction which has been stated to read thousands of moves.
On the other hand we have Ikki: Has AP which has been stated to read countless of moves, thoughts, feelings etc etc, has worked against things that can't be perceived, has read through actions that had happened before the PV had kicked in, and a lot of other things. On top of this he has extreme body control, skill copying to a ridiculous degree, better info analysis, better reactive evolution, trackless step, has reached a point where he doesn't even need acceleration but goes 0 to full speed instantly, energy control in both flowing and using, can make his attack soundless by making it so 0 energy is lost during the swing, fixing his body instantly while getting prob haxed into failing, extreme senses, echolocation, senses, attack reflection, can attack the insides of someone, and much much more.
I did not mention things from both characters that are the same (that both characters can do, so things like mental fighting). Feel free to place your votes.
That's so messed up, I love itAlso, fun fact, Sora has an higher intelligence rating right now than Dante, let that sink in.
Both still lower than Ikki.Also, fun fact, Sora has an higher intelligence rating right now than Dante, let that sink in.
You wanna go for Dante's spot?We'll see about that, lol
Nominating Sora (Kingdom Hearts) for the Miscellaneous section
Now, before I start, I'd recommend giving this a read, it really expands on what's skill and how it's considerable in fiction and whatever.
Analytical Prediction:
- Sora was capable of opening on Yozora's unusual openings (Yozora will be brought up quite often, so you'll see what I mean) compared to everyone else he fought before, and can even take selfies while weaponless while still dodging anyways (and yeah, that's kinda in-character).
Accelerated Development:
- With only a few months of adventures across the multiverse and with next to no training besides his own, Sora could already compete against properly trained formal Keyblade Masters that were far older than him. Xehanort sticks out out of being over 80 years old and having several kinds of proeficiently usable weapons and powers inherited from other characters, which Sora could totally keep up with.
- Could also quickly grasp the usage of several other forms for his Keyblade as soon as he got them, notably also including the capability to pilot a chariot and a transformation of his Keyblade to nanotech that converts to whatever weapon Sora has in mind (which includes basically most Formchanges, see below).
General Skills and Moveset:
- Has mastered the usage of several kinds of weapons while also switching between them on the fly to optimize combos, besides a sword (Keyblade), there's also a showcased considerable usage of the following by transforming it (Formchanging), which is also regarded as a more refined technique than dual wielding: Hammer, flag, yo-yos, drill, shield, claws, arrowguns, cannon, (magical) staff, skates and arm blades, nanotech and even more blades. Of note is that he can also dual wield Keyblades (as implied before), triple wield even, and has adapted to backfiring the weapon of the opponent, which has included a scythe and a claymore as well.
- In terms of mobility, besides the countless mobility options applicable to a good portion of the moves usable with the above weapons and stuff, to the point "endless" combos are possible if the opponent lacks straight up notable flight or teleportation, namely by preventing the opponent from having a chance to do much at all. Sora has also displayed the capability to perform aerial dashes, recover quickly after being sent flying (Aerial Recovery) and wall jumping (Flowmotion), let alone the capability to spam Aerial Dodge, acting as a flight enhancement that also minimizes considerably vulnerability.
- Lore-wise, Sora's only not regarded formally as a Keyblade Master out of failing the Mark of Mastery (or rather, was disqualified out of external events), even if he can still beat up "proper" Keyblade Masters like Aqua and is straight up above King Mickey, who has been one for over a decade. In any case, beings like Sora are regarded in the Age of Fairytales (which inherit his power, and are already aware of Keyblade Masters themselves) as "unimaginable forces of the future".
- Could go all on his own against an army of 1000 opponents, and displays tactical knowledge out of dividing the work between Donald and Goofy for the whole army, and has been able to keep up with multiple opponents at once, be it with their own fighting styles to synchronized duplicates of the respective character, and Sora can also make avatars of himself to overwhelm opponents as well in synchronization.
Intelligence and Information Analysis:
- Could quickly grasp the concept of programming to the point he can edit code that's changing in real time for a variety of effects, has performed multiple kinds of sports and met tens of cultures across the multiverse, in any case scans for that stuff are on the Intelligence section of the profile.
- Could surprise Master Xehanort, who was seemingly aware of the last contents of the Book of Prophecies, which foretold his victory, yet Sora could overwrite that with an outside the box usage of the Power of Waking.
- Like several other characters, Sora has the innate ability to see the remaining health of the opponent, and even has the sense to tell where the opponent is even if he's not directly seeing it.
- Can find the "real" Luxord between many duplicate cards before he runs out of time.
Instinctive Reaction:
- Could reflect omnidirectional lasers of nonexistencial nature from all directions in synchronization with Riku, later on he has also displayed the capability to do it on his own even while having to worry about unreflectable bullets and surprise attacks.
- Has shown the capability to react to attacks from behind with no prior in-universe warning and plenty of teleport-based or "instant" attacks as well, let alone while also having to worry about a nearby danmaku of lasers.
Mimicry:
- Read the Intelligence section on the page in the KHII section for more information, but basically, Sora has shown the capability to quickly replicate skills from his opponents mid-battle, from gambling to teleporting around and jumping.
- Has been stealing Roxas's fighting style out of his ability to fight quite similarly to him while in Double Form.
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Also, fun fact, Sora has an higher intelligence rating right now than Dante, let that sink in.
INB4 I die.
Thread is up, pull upOf what.
Ofc they changed, we are using skills and notThread is up, pull up
Also I'm actually seeing dante on a skill list, sheeesh things truly have changed.
Btw, since stuff like kouki, Kojiro, and Chinamen's Enhanced Senses stuff is allowed, is it safe to say I can use Hengen Muso feats for Rishia?Why, we already argued it here
Cope.Ofc they changed, we are using skills and notwanked shithax
Senses are definitely allowed yes, because in a skill only fight, senses would allow one to get an upper hand.Btw, since stuff like kouki, Kojiro, and Chinamen's Enhanced Senses stuff is allowed,
I don't even remember what Hengen Muso is tbh.Btw, since stuff like kouki, Kojiro, and Chinamen's Enhanced Senses stuff is allowed, is it safe to say I can use Hengen Muso feats for Rishia?
She legit has better feats than Dante objectively although he has her in experience, I just need to put them in a more organized and cohesive list.
I don't even remember what Hengen Muso is tbh.
Rishia has a feat of dodging danmaku from someone who blitzes her via Hengen Muso precog (Which is really just analytical prediction via reading someone's life-force to predict their actions). The danmaku being expansive enough that a room full of people (Like 8 or something+) comparable to her (Scratch that, she's the slowest and weakest in the room, actually) and skilled in their own right, couldn't dodge it even when it was spread out; and she could dodge it while it was all focused on her.
Hengen Muso style itself as a discipline is built to shut down strength and speed advantages and can allow level 100 non-heroes to fight level 350 heroes.
I'll list the actual feats with links and/or quotes in 10 hours, I'm about to go to work.And to let you know exactly how big of a difference this is: It's at least a five times difference in all stats scaling-wise, and that's assuming they even have the same growth-rate, which isn't the case. That's not factoring in additional power-up methods, growth adjustments, and dragon vein scaling which can more than double growth rates, so we're potentially looking at a more than 10 times stat difference in all areas, and even that's a lowball cause:
There are 12 PU methods heroes are capable of and a difference of two is comparable to a 3x multiplier. Normal humans have no PU methods.
And that's just Fohl doing that (100 non-hero vs 350 hero), he absolutely pales in comparison to Rishia who's one of if not the greatest martial art talent in the verse.
So... pretty good prediction that I didn't bring up.
DMC in a nutshellwanked shit
Life force sensing is supernatural, but the analytical prediction off of it "might" be fair game. A bit questionable though.
YesYou wanna go for Dante's spot?
No, it's not lel. That's a physical ability, aka a skill, life force is a supernatural substance.Who’s to say, life-force sensing as valid as people hearing the faintest changes in your breath from tens of meters away, and using that to predict stuff.
TrueDMC in a nutshell
The feats are linked in the list tho.Btw, i think each nomination (be it in the list or not) should post all their feats, scaling, etc into a blog/sandbox as otherwise will be hard to go through hundreds of posts to find it..and how several characters had their feats put in multiple posts on separate pages will make it even harder.
Plus it being in a sandbox/blog will make it easier to update.
Then edit those feats into the original post.I think he say that because, while the initial arguments could be linked in the op, at the end more feats and explanations about the character skill are commented in other post which can be hard to see (like for example in Kouki case there is only linked the post with the initial arguments, while in the later post of the previous thread more feats and explanations were added about his skill).
I personally don't see anything remotely comparable to Dante's stuff here and the IR thing isn't even like his, more like dodging some gilgamesh stuff.We'll see about that, lol
Nominating Sora (Kingdom Hearts) for the Miscellaneous section
Now, before I start, I'd recommend giving this a read, it really expands on what's skill and how it's considerable in fiction and whatever.
Analytical Prediction:
- Sora was capable of opening on Yozora's unusual openings (Yozora will be brought up quite often, so you'll see what I mean) compared to everyone else he fought before, and can even take selfies while weaponless while still dodging anyways (and yeah, that's kinda in-character).
Accelerated Development:
- With only a few months of adventures across the multiverse and with next to no training besides his own, Sora could already compete against properly trained formal Keyblade Masters that were far older than him. Xehanort sticks out out of being over 80 years old and having several kinds of proeficiently usable weapons and powers inherited from other characters, which Sora could totally keep up with.
- Could also quickly grasp the usage of several other forms for his Keyblade as soon as he got them, notably also including the capability to pilot a chariot and a transformation of his Keyblade to nanotech that converts to whatever weapon Sora has in mind (which includes basically most Formchanges, see below).
General Skills and Moveset:
- Has mastered the usage of several kinds of weapons while also switching between them on the fly to optimize combos, besides a sword (Keyblade), there's also a showcased considerable usage of the following by transforming it (Formchanging), which is also regarded as a more refined technique than dual wielding: Hammer, flag, yo-yos, drill, shield, claws, arrowguns, cannon, (magical) staff, skates and arm blades, nanotech and even more blades. Of note is that he can also dual wield Keyblades (as implied before), triple wield even, and has adapted to backfiring the weapon of the opponent, which has included a scythe and a claymore as well.
- In terms of mobility, besides the countless mobility options applicable to a good portion of the moves usable with the above weapons and stuff, to the point "endless" combos are possible if the opponent lacks straight up notable flight or teleportation, namely by preventing the opponent from having a chance to do much at all. Sora has also displayed the capability to perform aerial dashes, recover quickly after being sent flying (Aerial Recovery) and wall jumping (Flowmotion), let alone the capability to spam Aerial Dodge, acting as a flight enhancement that also minimizes considerably vulnerability.
- Lore-wise, Sora's only not regarded formally as a Keyblade Master out of failing the Mark of Mastery (or rather, was disqualified out of external events), even if he can still beat up "proper" Keyblade Masters like Aqua and is straight up above King Mickey, who has been one for over a decade. In any case, beings like Sora are regarded in the Age of Fairytales (which inherit his power, and are already aware of Keyblade Masters themselves) as "unimaginable forces of the future".
- Could go all on his own against an army of 1000 opponents, and displays tactical knowledge out of dividing the work between Donald and Goofy for the whole army, and has been able to keep up with multiple opponents at once, be it with their own fighting styles to synchronized duplicates of the respective character, and Sora can also make avatars of himself to overwhelm opponents as well in synchronization.
Intelligence and Information Analysis:
- Could quickly grasp the concept of programming to the point he can edit code that's changing in real time for a variety of effects, has performed multiple kinds of sports and met tens of cultures across the multiverse, in any case scans for that stuff are on the Intelligence section of the profile.
- Could surprise Master Xehanort, who was seemingly aware of the last contents of the Book of Prophecies, which foretold his victory, yet Sora could overwrite that with an outside the box usage of the Power of Waking.
- Like several other characters, Sora has the innate ability to see the remaining health of the opponent, and even has the sense to tell where the opponent is even if he's not directly seeing it.
- Can find the "real" Luxord between many duplicate cards before he runs out of time.
Instinctive Reaction:
- Could reflect omnidirectional lasers of nonexistencial nature from all directions in synchronization with Riku, later on he has also displayed the capability to do it on his own even while having to worry about unreflectable bullets and surprise attacks.
- Has shown the capability to react to attacks from behind with no prior in-universe warning and plenty of teleport-based or "instant" attacks as well, let alone while also having to worry about a nearby danmaku of lasers.
Mimicry:
- Read the Intelligence section on the page in the KHII section for more information, but basically, Sora has shown the capability to quickly replicate skills from his opponents mid-battle, from gambling to teleporting around and jumping.
- Has been stealing Roxas's fighting style out of his ability to fight quite similarly to him while in Double Form.
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Also, fun fact, Sora has an higher intelligence rating right now than Dante, let that sink in.
INB4 I die.
All im saying, is even with max BS, Dante ain't ikki.Also the rest can cope with DMC, godly shit right there >:v
Arguable. Life-force is literally dependent on your physical condition.No, it's not lel. That's a physical ability, aka a skill, life force is a supernatural substance.
Like, sensing the faintest muscle twitches in the body to use analytical prediction is different from using a supernatural force to do so.