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WAHOOOO! Mario Bros AP Revisions (M&L Brothership Spoilers) - Part 1 (Feat-Gathering)

Because I'm bored I'mma quickly recalc both ends with the stuff brought up in mind. Namely, using Earth's surface area.

Earth's Surface Area = 509,600,000 km^2 = 5.096e+14 meters^2

Average Cumulonimbus Cloud Thickness = 9900 meters

Average Cumulonimbus Cloud Height = 8304.8 meters

Cloud Mass = 1,392,214,139,175,340,000 kg

Timeframe = 31.68 seconds

Distance traveled would be half the circumference.

Earth's Circumference = 40075017 meters

Distance Traveled = 40075017 / 2 = 20037508.5 meters

Speed = 20037508.5 / 31.68 = 632497.112 m/s

Omnidirectional Expansion KE = 0.25 * 1,392,214,139,175,340,000 * 632497.112^2 = 1.3923972e+29 Joules or 33.28 exatons; Moon level (5-C)

Idk what's with the speed Dalesean got but just in case I'll use that too.

Distance Traveled = 10018754.25 meters

Speed = 10018754.25 / 31.68 = 316248.556 m/s

Omnidirectional Expansion KE = 0.25 * 1,392,214,139,175,340,000 * 316248.556^2 = 3.480993e+28 Joules or 8.32 exatons; Multi-Continent level (High 6-A)
 
CloverDragon03 said:
632497.112 m/s

Omnidirectional Expansion KE = 0.25 * 1,392,214,139,175,340,000 * 632497.112^2 = 1.3923972e+29 Joules or 33.28 exatons; Moon level (5-C)
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you don't use this one for speed of expansion because the entire mass isn't moved across that full distance that's why we use the halfway point for a better center of mass so the second end is most accurate, I was gonna do the recalc myself just now that I had time but the second end looks good
 
Dalesean027 said:
you don't use this one for speed of expansion because the entire mass isn't moved across that full distance that's why we use the halfway point for a better center of mass so the second end is most accurate, I was gonna do the recalc myself just now that I had time but the second end looks good
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You're using the halfway point of an already existing halfway point?

Also, isn't using 0.25 in the KE equation meant to account for that anyway?
 
CloverDragon03 said:
You're using the halfway point of an already existing halfway point?

Also, isn't using 0.25 in the KE equation meant to account for that anyway?
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that's accounting for the clouds expanding at different speeds and the wdym? The diameter is what we'd use normally for the speed so that radius of that would be the only halfpoint. granted it could be different since I'm doing that to follow more traditional KE so may be the cloud one is doing that already
 
Dalesean027 said:
that's accounting for the clouds expanding at different speeds and the wdym? The diameter is what we'd use normally for the speed so that radius of that would be the only halfpoint. granted it could be different since I'm doing that to follow more traditional KE so may be the cloud one is doing that already
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You divided the circumference by 4 though...
 
CloverDragon03 said:
You divided the circumference by 4 though...
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You don't use the full circumference for speed here what are ya talking about. It expands omni-directionally so half the circumference is for the raw speed value however since the entire mass doesn't travel the full half of the circumference ya would halve that half for the KE portion here.

Ya know KE we'd gotta by the center of gravity for whatever the thing is, I can show ya some examples? I'm not really sure what you're not getting here
 
Dalesean027 said:
You don't use the full circumference for speed here what are ya talking about. It expands omni-directionally so half the circumference is for the raw speed value however since the entire mass doesn't travel the full half of the circumference ya would halve that half for the KE portion here.

Ya know KE we'd gotta by the center of gravity for whatever the thing is, I can show ya some examples? I'm not really sure what you're not getting here
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Yes, that's correct. That's why we're dividing the circumference by 2, and why the formula is 0.25mv^2

I'm just saying that for some reason, you used a fourth of the circumference instead of half.
 
Oh my message yesterday didn't send but yeah you already approved the new math so we're good there but btw Mario guys you guys like still need to send in feats?
 
Is there anything we can do with the two Toads that can fan hard enough to make Shipshape Island go multiple times faster? Feels extremely goofy especially considering the Toads are probably meant to be fodder level, but idk that’s the only thing I can think of right now.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Is there anything we can do with the two Toads that can fan hard enough to make Shipshape Island go multiple times faster? Feels extremely goofy especially considering the Toads are probably meant to be fodder level, but idk that’s the only thing I can think of right now.
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Shipshape Island isn't that big, so it might not be that impressive compared to what they currently scale to
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Shipshape Island isn't that big, so it might not be that impressive compared to what they currently scale to
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I was thinking more so the other islands connected to Shipeshape, but thinking about it a bit more they’d probably just need to push Shipshape along given the islands are all connected by magic or energy or whatever Connectar is supposed to be. Maybe pulling the islands along could give something to Connie’s Uni-Tree, but idk if anyone can scale to that.

I do think keeping the Toad thing in mind might be good though depending on what the actual value is, as like I said before I’m pretty sure regular enemies should scale to it. Not really relevant to this thread though.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
I was thinking more so the other islands connected to Shipeshape, but thinking about it a bit more they’d probably just need to push Shipshape along given the islands are all connected by magic or energy or whatever Connectar is supposed to be. Maybe pulling the islands along could give something to Connie’s Uni-Tree, but idk if anyone can scale to that.

I do think keeping the Toad thing in mind might be good though depending on what the actual value is, as like I said before I’m pretty sure regular enemies should scale to it. Not really relevant to this thread though.
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Oh yeah, all 18 islands, right? Given their size, it's still probably not going to get to the tier 6 range with especially with how fast the ship is moving. But maybe it could be worth some lifting strength?
 
As for a suggestion on how to get the ship's speed, one can easily just go to the cannon and observe how fast the islands pass by from the view. We just need footage of this happening while fast sailing is turned on.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
I was thinking more so the other islands connected to Shipeshape, but thinking about it a bit more they’d probably just need to push Shipshape along given the islands are all connected by magic or energy or whatever Connectar is supposed to be. Maybe pulling the islands along could give something to Connie’s Uni-Tree, but idk if anyone can scale to that.

I do think keeping the Toad thing in mind might be good though depending on what the actual value is, as like I said before I’m pretty sure regular enemies should scale to it. Not really relevant to this thread though.
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I mean no, the islands do have mass and stuff, making the thing pulling them go vroom, is still a feat given weigt and stuff.

Anyway, I did a rough calc, it got 29.87 teratons assuming the total mass is like of that of Australia (I think someone said it was a continent that got blown up into islands? I havent played the game yet so...). It'd be about 15 per Toad, but again that's assuming a total mass comparable to an ACTUAL CONTINENT. If we use ingame sizes it'd probably legit only be like lower end tier 7 if lucky.
 
Chariot190 said:
(I think someone said it was a continent that got blown up into islands? I havent played the game yet so...)
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Concordia is very consistently referred to as a continent, it gets brought up every few islands when the Bros say they're trying to "restore the continent".

Well, the Bros say their usual Faux-Italian gibberish, but everyone they explain it to parrots it back with that exact wording, and Snoutlet and Connie say it that way too. At least in the English script, dunno about the Japanese one.
 
Parzival-Bo said:
Concordia is very consistently referred to as a continent, it gets brought up every few islands when the Bros say they're trying to "restore the continent".

Well, the Bros say their usual Faux-Italian gibberish, but everyone they explain it to parrots it back with that exact wording, and Snoutlet and Connie say it that way too. At least in the English script, dunno about the Japanese one.
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In that case, it's a matter of if we think the in game sizes is to scale. Anything implying it isn't beyond the continent wording? If we have stuff that implicates a discrepency it'd be a low 6-B feat. Otherwise it's however big the islands gets in game which is still decent but it wouldn't be tier 6 I don't think.
 
Chariot190 said:
In that case, it's a matter of if we think the in game sizes is to scale. Anything implying it isn't beyond the continent wording? If we have stuff that implicates a discrepency it'd be a low 6-B feat. Otherwise it's however big the islands gets in game which is still decent but it wouldn't be tier 6 I don't think.
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I'm only about 2/3 through the game atm, but so far nothing else really implies whether Concordia is or isn't a continent, apart from the in-game sizes. Only thing worth noting afaik is the tiny Islets that don't have lighthouses, that eats up some of the mass but probably not enough to drop it below baseline 6-B (which is 7 Teratons) if we take the continent wording as literal.
 
Chariot190 said:
Anything implying it isn't beyond the continent wording?
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Just by a glance of looking at the maps of the island, the islands only seem to be some hundreds of meters in diameter at most, and considering there's 18 of them... yeah.

I should also note that some of these islands like Heatfreeze are stated to have mountains on them IIRC, so that would mean they could at the bare minimum be the typical mountain height of 609.6 meters for the diameter of the islands.
 
Maybe this can help? I would be surprised if it wasn't calced but maybe it's worth another look:

Exor's fall in Super Mario RPG breaks the Star Road with enough force to shatter it and send its pieces across the world.


From the SNES version it seems that the Star Road is like 2/3 the size of Bowser's Castle?
 
TartaChocholate said:
Maybe this can help? I would be surprised if it wasn't calced but maybe it's worth another look:

Exor's fall in Super Mario RPG breaks the Star Road with enough force to shatter it and send its pieces across the world.


From the SNES version it seems that the Star Road is like 2/3 the size of Bowser's Castle?
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I don't see that being high at all. The KE wouldn't be that good because the speed shown is't that high and it isn't like we have a timeframe given to assume they were quicker than shown, the breaking of the actual thing wouldn't be that high simply because it isn't that big (hundreds ofmeters being generous), and the shockwave from doing so would legit be 8-A at BEST. Even wanking the shit out of it, and ignoring the low velocity and calculating minimums it'd need to launch a 100m chunk of rock across the planet, covering half the circumference, WHILE also factoring in drag (this buffs it as it still had enough energy to do so even after the energy loss) you only get 7-B.

Like it's a decent feat, if we were looking at tier 7 support. For higher end tier 6 it's negligible.

Do think we should calc it tho just to have more calcs sorted out but for the purposes atm it's kinda low.
 
Chariot190 said:
I don't see that being high at all. The KE wouldn't be that good because the speed shown is't that high and it isn't like we have a timeframe given to assume they were quicker than shown, the breaking of the actual thing wouldn't be that high simply because it isn't that big (hundreds ofmeters being generous), and the shockwave from doing so would legit be 8-A at BEST. Even wanking the shit out of it, and ignoring the low velocity and calculating minimums it'd need to launch a 100m chunk of rock across the planet, covering half the circumference, WHILE also factoring in drag (this buffs it as it still had enough energy to do so even after the energy loss) you only get 7-B.

Like it's a decent feat, if we were looking at tier 7 support. For higher end tier 6 it's negligible.

Do think we should calc it tho just to have more calcs sorted out but for the purposes atm it's kinda low.
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Hmmm... gotcha. I'll keep looking. I'd try to filter stuff myself but, I couldn't calc even if my life depended on it, so I rely entirely on how impressive the visuals seem.
 
Are we looking for ANY Mario feats here, such as those that matter for fodder, or just stuff in the Tier 6 range?
 
TartaChocholate said:
Found a couple of things, one is pretty dubious, but who knows and the other may be useful?

Found some more stuff, but mostly small time. There's some weird stuff like Mario being shot around the world with a cannon and stuff, but doesn't reach what we need.
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Second feat I vaguely recall have like a 6-A calc? It might be good. But it's an old OBD calc so it might be inflated? Do we have an area the clouds covered beyond that cutscene?
 
Chariot190 said:
Second feat I vaguely recall have like a 6-A calc? It might be good. But it's an old OBD calc so it might be inflated? Do we have an area the clouds covered beyond that cutscene?
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There already is a recalc, but it seems to be HEAVILY lowballed as it only considers the volume of the hole itself without considering the fact that the entirety of the storm was likely moving
 
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