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Alright, this thread will be posted in tandem with the ability threads. The goal of this thread is to start AP, Durability, and Speed revisions for the verse starting with Issei. I'll be revising speed via Boost Multipliers and Light feats, revising AP using the consistent Boost Multipliers and new calcs for old feats. Removing outdated information as well.
Current Issei Profile, New Sandbox (Blogs below back this up, if there are any changes or additions I should make, let me know. This new proposed scaling is vastly more accurate given it takes previously unconsidered canon information into consideration, and removes non canon scaling info from the page. Any other additions to the sandbox in the P&A section will be covered in a separate thread, as this thread won't be about the P&A section. This is specifically a stat and appearance CRT.)
The Boost Multiplier Blog, Boosts currently aren't accepted as shown on Issei's profile due to inconsistencies but as I've shown in this blog, there are very little to none.
Boosts fit the standard, having dozens of reliable statements, major importance, having consistently depicted multiplier feats (via large AP gaps between characters) in the series, and having basically no contradictions.
"However, a good statement alone is not enough to get a high multiplier accepted. The amount of extra evidence one has to provide to get larger multipliers accepted is proportional to the size of the multiplier. For lower multipliers, like things much less than times 100, evidence can take the form of a clear increase in combat strength against priorly equal or superior opponents. For higher multipliers, like times 100 and above, the importance of stronger evidence, such as feats displaying power of a similar magnitude as the value the multiplier points to or the multipliers importance to the plot of the story, and a higher amount of evidence becomes increasingly necessary."
DxD has good statements in regards to the multipliers (dozens that are consistent), clear increases in power via those multipliers (Characters one-shotting Issei before boosts but the situation reversing after), major story significance (Is the MC's main ability), and some DC feats that correlate with the multipliers (Vaporizing a Mountain via Boosts when he was previously much weaker and the size of Issei's energy attacks increasing proportionately to the amount of boosts), everything needed to get high and low multipliers accepted.
Power Systems and general speed scaling. (The multipliers (shown in the multiplier blog) refer to doubling of "power", in DxD, "power" refers to the various energy systems like holy power, demonic power, dragon power, magic power, etc (explained in the light feats blog). Power being a UES that is consistently shown to affect speed. And the Boost ability (which is used to obtain some of these higher values) has been consistently depicted as increasing speed which aligns with everything else.
DxD Light fits the standard (And one user's use of the technique is currently accepted but for some unexplained reason, the rest aren't), as they reflect off of non magic mirrors and metal, are called natural light/rays of light/beams of light (recreation of natural phenomena) dozens of times, are said to be made of photons, has a similar effect as natural sunlight (damages devils), are always moving in a straight line, diffuses in a realistic way ("returns to nothing"), are never interacted with by normal humans, require the user to have an extensive knowledge on the scientific and mathematic properties of natural light before recreating it in that image, characters around the level of Raynare (minimum speed of light users) have speed feats that are ftl and are unrelated to light, and are only shown at different speeds via abilities that alter the phenomena of light itself (magic, which makes the natural into supernatural causing impossible phenomena like photons moving beyond the SoL, essentially altering the physical laws of matter). And the amount of evidence for it far outweighs the evidence against it which is acceptable by VSBW's standards. "Should there be great evidence in favor of the light being real or lightspeed, comparably minor showing against it being real can be overruled."
Remember to read everything before commenting to get the full picture even if there's a lot to go through.
Note: I will halt on implementing this for a while. Even if this gets accepted, I'd like to create sandboxes for the rest of the cast using this as a basis and those sandboxes can't be made until this is accepted. Meaning that I'll wait until this is approved and every other character gets their own updates for one mass update to be implemented. Thanks for reading and please remember to keep the conversation peaceful and respectful. Also, feel free to tackle my points one at a time or point out any flaws, and if you disagree on a specific topic, please clarify. This is a major CRT that will end up affecting the whole verse. Please tell me if there's a mistake in my calculations somewhere as well.
I'll continue updating this post with more info until the end of the thread. And I'll maybe remake the blogs (for reference on the verse page) when the CRT is accepted, the current ones are exclusively to provide arguments in this CRT to get the scaling accepted.
(Non-Staff Votes will be counted based on an explicit Agree, Disagree, or Neutral)
Agree: CurrySenpai, TotalMasterInfinity, Ar1216789, DarkDragonMedeus (Agrees with usage of light feats), Phoenks (AP)
Neutral: Digital_Franz, Burning_Full_Fingers
Disagree: Phoenks (Boost applying to speed/Light)
Alright, this thread will be posted in tandem with the ability threads. The goal of this thread is to start AP, Durability, and Speed revisions for the verse starting with Issei. I'll be revising speed via Boost Multipliers and Light feats, revising AP using the consistent Boost Multipliers and new calcs for old feats. Removing outdated information as well.
Current Issei Profile, New Sandbox (Blogs below back this up, if there are any changes or additions I should make, let me know. This new proposed scaling is vastly more accurate given it takes previously unconsidered canon information into consideration, and removes non canon scaling info from the page. Any other additions to the sandbox in the P&A section will be covered in a separate thread, as this thread won't be about the P&A section. This is specifically a stat and appearance CRT.)
The Boost Multiplier Blog, Boosts currently aren't accepted as shown on Issei's profile due to inconsistencies but as I've shown in this blog, there are very little to none.
Boosts fit the standard, having dozens of reliable statements, major importance, having consistently depicted multiplier feats (via large AP gaps between characters) in the series, and having basically no contradictions.
"However, a good statement alone is not enough to get a high multiplier accepted. The amount of extra evidence one has to provide to get larger multipliers accepted is proportional to the size of the multiplier. For lower multipliers, like things much less than times 100, evidence can take the form of a clear increase in combat strength against priorly equal or superior opponents. For higher multipliers, like times 100 and above, the importance of stronger evidence, such as feats displaying power of a similar magnitude as the value the multiplier points to or the multipliers importance to the plot of the story, and a higher amount of evidence becomes increasingly necessary."
DxD has good statements in regards to the multipliers (dozens that are consistent), clear increases in power via those multipliers (Characters one-shotting Issei before boosts but the situation reversing after), major story significance (Is the MC's main ability), and some DC feats that correlate with the multipliers (Vaporizing a Mountain via Boosts when he was previously much weaker and the size of Issei's energy attacks increasing proportionately to the amount of boosts), everything needed to get high and low multipliers accepted.
Power Systems and general speed scaling. (The multipliers (shown in the multiplier blog) refer to doubling of "power", in DxD, "power" refers to the various energy systems like holy power, demonic power, dragon power, magic power, etc (explained in the light feats blog). Power being a UES that is consistently shown to affect speed. And the Boost ability (which is used to obtain some of these higher values) has been consistently depicted as increasing speed which aligns with everything else.
DxD Light fits the standard (And one user's use of the technique is currently accepted but for some unexplained reason, the rest aren't), as they reflect off of non magic mirrors and metal, are called natural light/rays of light/beams of light (recreation of natural phenomena) dozens of times, are said to be made of photons, has a similar effect as natural sunlight (damages devils), are always moving in a straight line, diffuses in a realistic way ("returns to nothing"), are never interacted with by normal humans, require the user to have an extensive knowledge on the scientific and mathematic properties of natural light before recreating it in that image, characters around the level of Raynare (minimum speed of light users) have speed feats that are ftl and are unrelated to light, and are only shown at different speeds via abilities that alter the phenomena of light itself (magic, which makes the natural into supernatural causing impossible phenomena like photons moving beyond the SoL, essentially altering the physical laws of matter). And the amount of evidence for it far outweighs the evidence against it which is acceptable by VSBW's standards. "Should there be great evidence in favor of the light being real or lightspeed, comparably minor showing against it being real can be overruled."
Remember to read everything before commenting to get the full picture even if there's a lot to go through.
Note: I will halt on implementing this for a while. Even if this gets accepted, I'd like to create sandboxes for the rest of the cast using this as a basis and those sandboxes can't be made until this is accepted. Meaning that I'll wait until this is approved and every other character gets their own updates for one mass update to be implemented. Thanks for reading and please remember to keep the conversation peaceful and respectful. Also, feel free to tackle my points one at a time or point out any flaws, and if you disagree on a specific topic, please clarify. This is a major CRT that will end up affecting the whole verse. Please tell me if there's a mistake in my calculations somewhere as well.
I'll continue updating this post with more info until the end of the thread. And I'll maybe remake the blogs (for reference on the verse page) when the CRT is accepted, the current ones are exclusively to provide arguments in this CRT to get the scaling accepted.
(Non-Staff Votes will be counted based on an explicit Agree, Disagree, or Neutral)
Agree: CurrySenpai, TotalMasterInfinity, Ar1216789, DarkDragonMedeus (Agrees with usage of light feats), Phoenks (AP)
Neutral: Digital_Franz, Burning_Full_Fingers
Disagree: Phoenks (Boost applying to speed/Light)
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