Evidence presented in the thread debunks this.
That's just a single example.
That's not my point.
Multiple examples proving otherwise have been shown throughout the thread.
I remember someone argued this???, not you??, too many comments ngl, if it is not you, then well, sorry, i just direct my comment toward that argument
I believe that I've shown enough properties. Although if the lack of presentation is the cause for you not seeing that, I completely understand. I can highlight some excerpts for you that may help. Like this link and this quote from the OP.
The normal mirror being summoned by magic doesn't seem to go against my points in any way. And all images I shared that aren't from the LN are Secondary or Tertiary canon as their events and lore are very different from the source material (although they still follow the same general storyline), I just included examples that aligned with my points however if you believe that it'd be wiser to remove them, I'm perfectly willing. And I'd appreciate if you could tell me the specific image you're referring to because if that example was of Irina's light, then I'd have a pretty simple explanation.
Sure, if it gets accepted, I'll reformat it. Although, I'm not sure exactly what the problem is. Sure it's long but is that it or is there something else? (Not asking in a rude way, just for future reference.)
The example from Volume 2 of Issei focusing his power into one spot is similar to what Gen did in Volume 5, and what Issei did in Volume 9. Both of the latter instance involve restraining the AoE of their attacks to not damage their surroundings, thus intentionally lowering their DC. And in the instances I showed, those "hyper-powerful abilities" were still used, the user just adjusted them to not damage their surroundings.
That's fine and I respect your opinions, it's just that this thread is something that I worked really hard in researching for and I just think that compiling the research in a "readable" manner should be enough. Especially given the possibility that my work could be for naught if the thread doesn't get accepted (and I'm still not exactly sure how to format it any better, given the amount of information and the method with which I want to deliver it), anyway, thanks for responding and I greatly appreciate the feedback. If you have any tips, please share and I'll try to fix things up when I have time. (And if you could share this thread around a bit just so it can get some positive attention, I'd be very grateful. Though your response is already enough.) Have a nice day.
You dropped the proof. It is directly said that Boost multiplies the power and increases the speed. The point is therefore: using multipliers on the speed is downright
Not sure what you're trying to say here.
The fact is that the scan says:
The boost therefore does not apply in the same way to the power and the speed.
... what? Doubling means x2 where is it ever stated that it only ups your speed by a bit this makes 0 sense.
It actually says
A multiplication of something is still considered an increase. The statement in no way contradicts that boosts multiply speed and actually support it given my argument in the op.
But you're literally pulling the 10% from thin air, there's nothing within the series that support that claim and quite a lot that contradicts it.
It was never said that it increased speed. The proof is the scan which was sent by TotalMasterInfinity.
Nothing says having twice the Demonic Power equals having twice the speed.
I'm neutral on it and have been saying it ever since. The numbers are a bit huge for me and I'm just presenting fuzzy elements in all of this from a neutral point.
You're assigning arbitrary values created by your headcanon tho. If Demons' speed comes from their Demonic Power which is the case as I've shown earlier, then the doubling of that would equal the doubling of their speed. It's a perfectly logical conclusion. There are many examples of increases in DP directly correlating to an increase in speed.
Once again increase=/=multiply. I agree that the speed increases but it is not multiplied. These are two very different terms.
Increase does equal multiply tho, they are quite literally the same thing. If you increase something by 200%, you are multiplying it by 2. Fairly simple math.
The power of boost is to double the user's power by times 2, it is explicitly stated that it DOUBLES their power, and we know power applies to both their strength and speed.
Exactly. Increase=/=multiply so you are proposing arbitrary values. What I gave you were examples to show you how it works. In most manga the speed is increased by mana but never and I mean never it has been said that doubling the mana doubles the speed without this being stated.
@DarkDragonMedeus do you see what everything is based on here?
But this is like, factually incorrect tho, like, this isn't even my opinion, you're just wrong.
Arbitrary and Correct aren't necessarily synonyms.
DxD isn't most manga, DxD is DxD.
Except that's not how it happens. Demonic Power functions as an element of Statistics Amplification. By doubling the Demonic Power nothing says that the speed will be doubled.
Normal users can't ping people.
According to your judgment because you just have your idea in mind that you don't want to change.
And who says what you say is correct?
Yeah.DxD isn't most manga, DxD is DxD.
It's kinda just common sense tho, there's more than enough evidence to show that demonic power makes devils fast, doubling it doubles their strength, and is stated to increase speed. Atp, you're kinda just proposing your argument on inconsequential wording details.
I mean, all it takes is a quick google search. And please don't insinuate that I'm stubborn of hardheaded, Phoenks did that earlier and I obviously don't appreciate it.
I do : 3
Glad we agree.
What common sense? It makes me laugh. Just because Demonic Power makes them fast doesn't mean doubling it doubles their speed. The quantity has just increased. Not inconsequential wording but the facts.
Research based on what? What will your source be based on? The rules for using multipliers from the wiki?
Nothing to do with the case of fiction. The fact is that the speed that the characters display is a speed already increased by Demonic Power. Doubling Demonic Power does not double the speed because you don't know how fast the character's speed is without Demonic Power.
But you're making these claims without evidence. It'd be like me saying, "Let's say Issei is universe level with 1% of his power, and Multiverse Level with 10%. You can see in this case, Issei solos and is too op." Like, come on. Be serious.
English isn't the same in real life as it is in fiction? lmao
Exactly. You're making assumptions from the start and it's not a matter of no evidence but that's how it works.
ok buddy
And magic actually exists? We try to get closer to reality but the same rules don't always apply. If that were the case why do you think there are verses on the wiki that have been rejected for using multipliers? They could all come out with the same argument.
You were arguing that the definition of the world "multiply" doesn't have the same meaning in DxD as it does in real life. Sorry, but you're kinda just making non points. If you make a claim that has supporting evidence or a logical basis, I'll respond, but I won't argue just to argue.
