Vladimir fights a reality warper(dont know if this is a stomp)

[Rocker1189]

Vladimir vs Gremmy.

Honestly not sure what AP I should use for vlad since he has several ways to bypass durability so I guess 7-C for now but Gremmy should be in his highest key.

takes place in SS

SBA.

speed equal.

Vladimir:

Gremmy:

Incon:

 

[Naeblis495]

given that they start at 4km according to Standard battle assumption , this make it a hard stomp for gremmy given vlad low range comparatively

most of vlad resistances are iffy as he just use the same magic as a darkin but isn't one himself but regardless , let's assume he have all the resistances of a darkin :

one of gremmy openning move is death manip wich vlad doesn't resist or he could just bfr him into space

assuming that you reduce the starting distance so that vlad have a chance to retaliate :

beside gremmy's brain, the rest of his body is the product of his own mind wich mean he could very well counter almost all of vlad arsenal beside mind manip via blood in the brain but gremmy also have blood manip and can manip his own blood... wich could counter that.

the argument could go both ways but i'm more inclined to give this to gremmy right now

 

[Rocker1189]

his death manip is via reality warping though so it wont work. The bfr could work due to it not affecting vlad directly.

yeah I was meant to reduce the distance..regardless gremmy does not typically fight at such ranges anyway.

gremmy can only use his blood for physical defense though. I dont think it gets past vlad's mind manip.

 

[Naeblis495]

quincies can control their blood flow to an extent( such as preventing blood from flowing out of a wound) wich could counter vlad use of blood manip on his brain

https://www.***********.net/bleach/542/3

 

[Rocker1189]

ok but Vlad has higher lifting strength, so he should overpower the blut by gremmy. also if he controls the blood first gremmy wont have the mind to take back control.

 

[Naeblis495]

if the control is instant and total then yes i agree

 

[Rocker1189]

It says he can control minds as easily as he does his own..so I guess so.

 

[Naeblis495]

then yeah, gremmy would loose if vlad open with mind manip unless gremmy open with bfr

 

[Rocker1189]

vlad sort of opened with mind and memory manip but it was not in a fight and he has not had an in lore fight yet beyond killing his master.

 

[Naeblis495]

yeah , he probably use it for his everyday life dealing with people/meal

gremmy never opened with bfr anyway and vlad resist most of his attacks

after rereading his profile , gremmy also have stealth mastery to go compeltly unoticed wich could be a huge advantage

 

[Rocker1189]

hmm, would vlad's control of blood allow him to detect gremmy?

 

[Naeblis495]

it is possible( but he should get life detection then) but gremmy can complelty disseapear from existence with the "Vanishing Point" wich is of his own creation and probably what he used to bypass isane and yachiru perception too

https://www.***********.net/bleach/571/7

 

[Rocker1189]

hmm, he wont use that first thing though.

 

[AppleLord]

If Gremmy realizes about the mind control he can just imagine himself out of it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If he's mind controlled how would he realize he's mind controlled...?

 

[AppleLord]

If he's mind controlled how would he realize he's mind controlled...?

I don't know. That's why I said "if".

 

[HST_Master]

his death manip is via reality warping though so it wont work. The bfr could work due to it not affecting vlad directly.

yeah I was meant to reduce the distance..regardless gremmy does not typically fight at such ranges anyway.

gremmy can only use his blood for physical defense though. I dont think it gets past vlad's mind manip.

Blut comes in 2 categories. Blut Vene for defense and Blut Arteire for offense. All the sternritter, Ichigo (Unwillingly) and Masaki Kurosaki can use both as it's just switching how spirit energy flows through their blood.

 

[Naeblis495]

blut artery is offense

blut anaben is the barrier that yhwach used and that can consume being on contact

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Cant Vlad just nope that by controlling Gremmy's blood?

 

[Naeblis495]

both have blood manip , so it's blood manip against blood manip

vlad try to manipulate gremmy blood , gremmy manipulate his own blood to stop it

 

[HST_Master]

Cant Vlad just nope that by controlling Gremmy's blood?

Rocker made it seem like it depends on lifting strength.

ok but Vlad has higher lifting strength, so he should overpower the blut by gremmy. also if he controls the blood first gremmy wont have the mind to take back control.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

both have blood manip , so it's blood manip against blood manip

vlad try to manipulate gremmy blood , gremmy manipulate his own blood to stop it

How good is Gremmy's blood manip tho? Vlad's entire skillset revolves around blood manip and he's had thousands of years to hone his skills with it

 

[Naeblis495]

gremmy can manipulate his blood flow as he like because his whole body is a product of his imagination

he could imagine himself to be bloodless if he wanted .

 

[Rocker1189]

If Vlad controls gremmy's blood first I don't think gremmy would have the time to do that. Also Vlad could possess a gremmy body and use it to fight gremmy using his powers.