Villainous crosssover revissions and downgrade

[MajorM117]

I think it's high time to update the Villianos series, mainly with Black Hat and the several non-cannon orientation videos. In these videos, Black Hat interacts with and often defeats several other villains from other Cartoon Network series, such as Anti-Pops, who infamously rested universes in his battle with Pops, cowers in fear of Black Hat within these videos.

Each of these crossovers lack of canonicity to their original source materials, have no confirmation from the original creators and the feats Black Hat performed would be considered outliers dictated by Plot Induced Stupidity going against this site's standard for crossovers.

Not only that but the actual cannon crossover the series had with Victor and Valentino had both series give various references to the other series as well as confirmation from the creators.

And it was discussed with a mod previously which was improved of the series being downgraded.

Black Hat should be downgraded from Universe Level+ and FLT+, to Building Level+/likely Mountain Level+ and Subsonic+ to possible Hypersonic, via him scaling past every character in the series thus far as well as getting rid of Possible Existence Erasure from his powers.

Dr. Flug's and 5.0.5 durability should both also be downgraded to building level with the later being a misunderstanding as to why Black Hat can't kill 5.0.5

 

[Half_Shiny]

This has already been covered: here
TD:LR the crossovers are referenced in every media they have been in. And due the fact they only use feats from in the crossover themselves and nothing in canon with the other franchises it should be fine due to the one-sided crossover rules.

 

[Livinmeme]

The problem that it doesnt break crossover rules, the crossovers aka the feat that blackhat scales to is actually presented in the shorts, it would break if they scaled to the canon but they have feats in it

 

[MajorM117]

The problem that it doesnt break crossover rules, the crossovers aka the feat that blackhat scales to is actually presented in the shorts, it would break if they scaled to the canon but they have feats in it

No, it does directly breaks the crossover rules by this series definition of this site Non-Cannon Crossovers as well as the fact that Villanous does have a legit canon crossover that would NOT apply the same way in here with it directly being involved in each other canonicity.

That and the fact that this would be considered massive outliers of feat for the series anyway.

 

[Livinmeme]

No, it does directly breaks the crossover rules by this series definition of this site Non-Cannon Crossovers as well as the fact that Villanous does have a legit canon crossover that would NOT apply the same way in here with it directly being involved in each other canonicity.

That and the fact that this would be considered massive outliers of feat for the series anyway.

Not really

A. Pretty sure that canon crossovers standarsd have changed
B. Why would be a outlier for black hat

 

[Bobsican]

There's multiple sorts of crossover types for our purposes, non-canon crossovers are just one of them, the series simply fits for one-sided crossovers as while several characters originally appeared in other unrelated series and all, their incarnations of this case are still a part of this series, and thus are usable within what they do display here.
An outlier argument is also terrible when Black Hat is clearly portrayed and implied multiple times to be the strongest one around.

 

[MajorM117]

Not really

A. Pretty sure that canon crossovers standarsd have changed
B. Why would be a outlier for black hat

It has, but in what we have listed for Crossover, Black Hat does not apply for having these feats usable.
He, nor anyone in the Villainous universe has shown no feats close to that of universal or FTL speeds.

 

[Bobsican]

Ever heard of powerscaling? We don't require that a character displays destructive feats of the respective level to qualify. Just being able to keep up or be above someone that can do so is enought.

 

[Greenshifter]

Oh wow this is a thing that exists. Can anyone tell me how crazy Villainous goes with the crossovers? Trying to make one big CN verse off-site essentially.

 

[Bobsican]

Villainous crossover-wise is basically Kingdom Hearts but world order is thrown out of the window, more specifically several main characters of those worlds can die by (trying to) mess around to the original characters of this series, or just for goods (Example, Steven Universe's friends die so they can gather their gems).

 

[Greenshifter]

Dang this is like Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe but for CN…

So I’m guessing Ben will have to beat these guys at the end if everyone else fails

 

[Half_Shiny]

let's break down your main arguments

I think it's high time to update the Villianos series, mainly with Black Hat and the several non-cannon orientation videos.

I put this before but here is the breakdown. This is previous to the series being released which has even more evidence
"The first wave of crossovers are canon due to the fact crossover episode 11 was shown in the first episode of the show (one above the bottom left). Shown in to be canon in the shorts as seen here (Steven's Shirt on the ground). The official website references the crossover in multiple sections: 1 and 2 (which is referenced in other medium). As well as the crossover being referenced in multiple official comics: 1, 2, 3.
literally referenced in every single piece of media they have been in so far."

Each of these crossovers lack of canonicity to their original source materials, have no confirmation from the original creators

The one-sided crossover takes care of these quite nicely since it is very much canon to Villianous this would make sense to not be canon to other franchises. Leading this to be a one-sided canon, with only feats shown in the crossover being usable.

 

[Half_Shiny]

Oh wow this is a thing that exists. Can anyone tell me how crazy Villainous goes with the crossovers? Trying to make one big CN verse off-site essentially.

They caused Crossover Nexus, killed the crystal gems, and created the universal remote. Shit gets crazy lmao.

Majority of the stuff is here though if you want lol. Comics are good to.

 

[Bobsican]

Dang this is like Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe but for CN…

So I’m guessing Ben will have to beat these guys at the end if everyone else fails

Black Hat unironically scales above the Omnitrix (Black Hat is stated to be stronger than any of the inventions his organization sells, and the Omnitrix happens to be one of them, which couldn't copy him either), lol, but of course we aren't going to upscale him to Alien X as he hasn't appeared in this series nor displayed tier 2 feats.

 

[Greenshifter]

They caused Crossover Nexus, killed the crystal gems, and created the universal remote. Shit gets crazy lmao.

Majority of the stuff is here though if you want lol. Comics are good to.

… This is more good stuff than I could have ever dreamed of lol.

 

[Greenshifter]

Black Hat unironically scales above the Omnitrix (Black Hat is stated to be stronger than any of the inventions his organization sells, and the Omnitrix happens to be one of them, which couldn't copy him either), lol, but of course we aren't going to upscale him to Alien X as he hasn't appeared in this series nor displayed tier 2 feats.

Well usually I take Omnitrix statements as not including Alien X but like the power of the watch itself. That said the classic Omnitrix is tier 2 so + crossover nexus is canon to the Reboot.

Also in my scaling upscaling him from Alien X wouldn’t work due to the latter being relative to the strongest source of power in the multiverse, unless this guy only came into existence very recently?

 

[Tipper17]

Black Hat unironically scales above the Omnitrix (Black Hat is stated to be stronger than any of the inventions his organization sells, and the Omnitrix happens to be one of them, which couldn't copy him either), lol, but of course we aren't going to upscale him to Alien X as he hasn't appeared in this series nor displayed tier 2 feats.

Tbf it's above the reboot version not classic

 

[Greenshifter]

Tbf it's above the reboot version not classic

Meh, maybe you could make the case that it doesn’t matter. Would have been convenient if Reboot didn’t screw over the cosmology.

Edit; Yeah I got an argument, evil Alien X didn’t make a distinction between classic Omnitrices and reboot Omnitrices to power him or whatever. Meaning they should be similar in power and how they function. There’s also a WoG that outright states that classic Omnitrix = Reboot Omnitrix, but it shouldn’t be used for several reasons.

If anyone wants to know the exact scaling for the Omnitrices, hit me up on Discord.