CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:
Wasn't the only time he used his teleportation was when he was holding hands with Frisk? And didn't he have very high speed during the genocide route? You can argue that Frisk can move faster than those.
On mobile right now but when did this happen again? The time portal thing? I don't recall that ever happening. The music stop above was probably just there for drama otherwise imagine the vast number of franchises who could potentially have timestop with that argument.
The issue here is we're building up on theories and assumptions on those. It's likely that Sans has awareness of timelines and can fast forward time but if has time stop... He might be dumber than Papyrus if he never chose it to use it against anyone else.
Oh right. Determination that transcends all. Forgot about that. But how do we figure that's the cause? I mean it might be but at the same this was the Frisk who still couldn't revive himself from death. But frankly I just don't want to imagine being an idiot and nothing really 'grand' shows Frisk breaking through the existence of time stops. Hell him locking someone on a turn was much more effective than whatever he had.
Well even if I voice out why it won't do anything won't it?
1. Nope. I've already posted multiple links. He uses it on himself in Snowdin forest, on you during the actual battle (at the end), and on an object after you prove you're actually a time traveller.
2. You suggested a portal as opposed to time stop. I said even if it was a portal that took him to a point later in time, that is still time manipulation.
3. Haha, what? The argument isn't that solely the music skips, therefore he has timestop. It's that he skips literally EVERYTHING, music included.
4. Sans' whole deal is that he doesn't care. Half of the dialogue in the battle is about how he spends his time not caring since he's just given up. He's deeply depressed (despite hiding it) and views his life as meaningless. He would have zero reason whatsoever to use this power on anyone else. Hell, even fighting Chara, he doesn't get serious until half way through the battle.
5. There is no point at which Frisk cannot revive themself from death if there is nobody with higher Determination. I have no idea what you're talking about. Frisk literally transcended time and space after Flowey destroyed the world, did the same thing again when Asriel wiped the timeline, and stopped themself from being erased from existence. How is any of this less impressive than shortening the duration of basic time stop?
6. Sans locked them in place via game mechanics. He literally refused to take his turn. He was exploiting the rules of the world to his own advantage.
7. Please don't play the "why say anything because it won't change anything" card. It's incredibly annoying, and implies nobody is listening to you, which is why what you suggest isn't the route we go with, instead of the reality that you have to actually refute the reasons given for this ability properly. Presenting an argument does not automatically mean you're right, and if someone actually argues it, it does not mean they're ignoring your points, but instead addressing them.
