Versus Thread Removal Requests (New forum)

[Random-Helper323]

The vs threads on Dowan's profiles should be removed because he has gained several new abilities, a 5x speed multiplier and has gone through several changes in his stats since the threads were made.

Gamer vs Nature:

• Dowan had access to Charge shot, a skill he no longer has in the Post-Training key.
• In this thread Dowan's lifting strength scaled to this class 1 feat, this is no longer the case and his LS has been downgraded to Peak Human.

Gamer vs Jeet Kune Do Prodigy:

• Same as the Suchan match, Dowan had access to charge shot, a skill he no longer has in this key.
• In this fight he scaled to Class 5 which has now been downgraded to Peak Human.

You could try remaking them instead. Typically the thread only gets removed automatically if the character changes Tier or sometimes if the character gains an ability that self-evidently renders the fight a stomp.

 

[Bruhtelho]

The vs threads on Frank West's profile should be removed because he had a massive CRT that changed his tier from 9-B to 9-A and gave him new abilities

 

[RoTt35]

Faramir vs Jon Snow should be removed due to the following:

• Faramir is far more skilled and experienced than Jon, whose skill for some reason was wanked as a god-tier of the verse in the thread, which isn't the case. And even overrating Jon's skill to that level, I don't think that even comes close to the skill of the LotR books. So to begin with, it's a skill stomp.
• Faramir has a slight advantage in AP and far higher LS, which would allow him to disarm Jon by just applying a little strength in a sword exchange.
• Speed was unequalized. Jon having higher reactions was argued as a win-con, but (per the wiki definition of reaction speed) that would only allow him to dodge a single blow/short, quick movement. Jon moves, fights, and attacks slower than Faramir (Superhuman vs Subsonic), who would only need to make multiple simultaneous attacks (combat speed) to overwhelm his reactions.
• Finally, Jon is haxless, he's just a human swordsman. While Faramir has some abilities like Regeneration, Enhanced Senses, which grant him superhuman situational awareness in combat, and Telepathy, which allows him to read the thoughts and movements of a slower Jon, rendering his only advantage in reaction speed even more useless.
• In summary, Faramir is superior to Jon in almost every aspect: skill, experience, abilities, AP, LS, and speed, minus reactions which are mostly useless for Jon.

Jon Snow was downgraded to Peak Human and his Subsonic reaction speed is just perception speed now

Bump

 

[Aytugsss]

Thread 'Kakashi Versus Gojo' https://vsbattles.com/threads/kakashi-versus-gojo.190160/
Can someone close this because its an easy win for kakashi so we cant use in their profiles

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I would like this match to be removed because it's heavily outdated and is now considered a stomp in favor Mikey;

Mikey vs Taehoon Seong

Battle of the Kicks Situation: Taehoon is at the arcade running low on money when he spots Mikey in expensive looking clothes asking him for "500 Won". Location: The back alley of the Arcade Rules: Speed equalized No Weapons Supressed Mikey key Mikey AP: 268 KJ Taehoon AP: Around 151KJ (Used...

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This matchup is several years and revisions out of date as both have had their tiers changed several times so it needs to be removed from Lockdown and Boba Fett's profiles respectively, espscially considering Legends Boba doesn't even have a profile anymore.

 

[Oiguana2701]

The following matchup should be removed from Homelander's profile, as it was made in the time when Homelander was High 8-C, and is now very outdated:

Homelander vs The Spot (9-1-0) GRACE

Rules: Post-Multiple Collider Energy Absorption Spot is used Speed equalized Battle takes place in new york SBA for everything else Villain of the week: (King_Dom470, Oiguana2701, FireSwordHero, AThe1412, Arkenis, Razor, XSOULOFCINDERX, Kisaragi_Megumi, EnderLord8) "You guys are the...

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[MaskedDragon908]

The following matchup should be removed from Homelander's profile, as it was made in the time when Homelander was High 8-C, and is now very outdated:

Homelander vs The Spot (9-1-0) GRACE

Rules: Post-Multiple Collider Energy Absorption Spot is used Speed equalized Battle takes place in new york SBA for everything else Villain of the week: (King_Dom470, Oiguana2701, FireSwordHero, AThe1412, Arkenis, Razor, XSOULOFCINDERX, Kisaragi_Megumi, EnderLord8) "You guys are the...

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Homelander was 8-B still, actually.
You even acknowledge the AP difference here:

Anyways, correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't spot make Homelander's lasers go back to him? Could it save Spot from the 15.1556654181 times AP advantage for Homelander, or would it be a stomp?

Which means this was back when Homelander was 42 tons.
There are a few differences in the profiles, but
Ultimately it seems like the matchup hasn't fundamentally changed

 

[Oiguana2701]

Homelander was 8-B still, actually.
You even acknowledge the AP difference here:

Which means this was back when Homelander was 42 tons.
There are a few differences in the profiles, but
Ultimately it seems like the matchup hasn't fundamentally changed

Oh, sorry then.

 

[BreezeHM]

@NikHelton and @AceOfSpaces3709 have been going through an edit war over this matchup. Settle it here please (someone tag them)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ken_Kaneki?curid=34335&diff=9517541&oldid=9516435

 

[EddisherSound]

@NikHelton @AceOfSpaces3709

 

[Reiner04]

@NikHelton and @AceOfSpaces3709 have been going through an edit war over this matchup. Settle it here please (someone tag them)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ken_Kaneki?curid=34335&diff=9517541&oldid=9516435

FIghting and debating through edit summaries is crazy

 

[NikHelton]

FIghting and debating through edit summaries is crazy

I'd just like to hear the moderators' opinions.

KingTempest said we can use different versions of the characters. The main thing is that these characters aren't random and that they fight together in the story. Mark and Allen have already fought together in the comics and in the final season of the series. They're perfectly acceptable to use as a team. And since different versions of them are allowed, I don't see why we can't use them. KingTempest said that duos like Prime All Might and Final Arc Deku are allowed, even though it would seem that Prime All Might physically couldn't have intersected with this version of Deku. Therefore, AceOfSpace's argument that these specific versions of Mark and Allen didn't intersect is irrelevant, and I hope it doesn't sound dismissive.

However, if the moderators have a different view on these matters, I'll listen to them. I clarified the rules in advance and am operating within them.

 

[Mythic381]

FIghting and debating through edit summaries is crazy

I've done it before on PSW (yes I'm flexing)

 

[NikHelton]

@NikHelton @AceOfSpaces3709

I'd just like to hear the moderators' opinions.

KingTempest said we can use different versions of the characters. The main thing is that these characters aren't random and that they fight together in the story. Mark and Allen have already fought together in the comics and in the final season of the series. They're perfectly acceptable to use as a team. And since different versions of them are allowed, I don't see why we can't use them. KingTempest said that duos like Prime All Might and Final Arc Deku are allowed, even though it would seem that Prime All Might physically couldn't have intersected with this version of Deku. Therefore, AceOfSpace's argument that these specific versions of Mark and Allen didn't intersect is irrelevant, and I hope it doesn't sound dismissive.

However, if the moderators have a different view on these matters, I'll listen to them. I clarified the rules in advance and am operating within them.

Could you express your opinion on this situation, please?

 

[Reiner04]

I'd just like to hear the moderators' opinions.

KingTempest said we can use different versions of the characters. The main thing is that these characters aren't random and that they fight together in the story. Mark and Allen have already fought together in the comics and in the final season of the series. They're perfectly acceptable to use as a team. And since different versions of them are allowed, I don't see why we can't use them. KingTempest said that duos like Prime All Might and Final Arc Deku are allowed, even though it would seem that Prime All Might physically couldn't have intersected with this version of Deku. Therefore, AceOfSpace's argument that these specific versions of Mark and Allen didn't intersect is irrelevant, and I hope it doesn't sound dismissive.

However, if the moderators have a different view on these matters, I'll listen to them. I clarified the rules in advance and am operating within them.

Matches involving more than 2 characters can only be added if and only if:

• If a character canonically needs another character to fight at their full potential (i.e. Naofumi Iwatani and Raphtalia)
• If one character is useless on their own (i.e. Gentle Criminal and La Brava)
• If two characters are canonically known for fighting alongside one another frequently and supplement each other's skills in combat (i.e. Twinrova, Ice Climbers, and Batman and Robin)
• Or utilize summons or familiars as their primary combat method (i.e. Pokémon Trainers and Digimon Tamers).

This Match-Up doesn't seems to follow any of it so it cannot be added.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Another example that could be good to list might be Maka and Soul from Soul Eater, since Maka literally needs Soul as he's her weapon.

 

[RoTt35]

Bump. I also think the following matches should be removed:

• Thanos vs Golden Freddy: according to what was said in the match, GF has passive and thought based soul/mind hax, so Thanos couldn't react and much less make a hand movement to even do something
• Guardians of the Galaxy vs Avengers: the match was made when the Guardians were tier 8, and they were upgraded to 7-A a while ago, the same tier as the low-end of Thor and Hulk, so the match is highly outdated
• Guardians of the Galaxy vs Kaneki: according to the battle description, the Volume 2 key of the team was used, but the match uses Adam Warlock who isn't part of the team and was born after Yondu died, who is also used in the match. It also uses keys of characters from the Original team key: Hybrid Star-Lord instead of Celestial Star-Lord, and Adult Groot instead of Baby Groot. Finally, the OP falsely states that Rocket is High 6-A with the Hadron Enforcer, when it's only far higher than 7-A.

Bump, after some upgrades (like Post-Awakening Thor being 5-B+ with Stormbreaker or Star-Lord having several new abilities and resistances) of the characters used in those matches they're even more outdated than before, based on that Thor vs Hela should also be removed as it was made before both of them had major upgrades

Bump

 

[NikHelton]

Bump

Stop bumping the Kaneki vs. Guardians match. I've already responded to you several times. Adam wasn't a wincon, and the result isn't added to his profile. The Rocket's weapon is a wincon not due to AP, but due to DC, since destroying the ship will simply eject Kaneki into outer space.

 

[NikHelton]

Matches involving more than 2 characters can only be added if and only if:

• If a character canonically needs another character to fight at their full potential (i.e. Naofumi Iwatani and Raphtalia)
• If one character is useless on their own (i.e. Gentle Criminal and La Brava)
• If two characters are canonically known for fighting alongside one another frequently and supplement each other's skills in combat (i.e. Twinrova, Ice Climbers, and Batman and Robin)
• Or utilize summons or familiars as their primary combat method (i.e. Pokémon Trainers and Digimon Tamers).

This Match-Up doesn't seems to follow any of it so it cannot be added.

Allen and Mark have fought together before and are well acquainted.

 

[Reiner04]

Allen and Mark have fought together before and are well acquainted.

It can qualify depending on if they are known for fighting alongside or part of some team or organisation (Avengers, Justice League, etc). Basically something more to it than just fighting together sometimes per this point:

• If two characters are canonically known for fighting alongside one another frequently and supplement each other's skills in combat (i.e. Twinrova, Ice Climbers, and Batman and Robin)

But Deku and All Might do not qualify since they haven't fought together or known for it.

 

[AceOfSpaces3709]

Allen and Mark have fought together before and are well acquainted.

How many times do I have to keep repeating this? Season 1 Mark and Allen have NEVER fought together; they only fought each other once over a misunderstanding, and that was it. Allen doesn't appear again until the very end of the season's last episode. There, he and Mark just sit on the moon and catch up. According to the Versus Thread Rules, a 2V1 match can not be applied if the two characters in question have never canonically fought together before. In Season 1, the only people Mark has canonically fought alongside with were Titan, Atom Eve, and Omni-Man. Allen doesn't get to fight alongside anyone until Season 3, when he breaks out of the Viltrumite prison with Battle Beast and Omni-Man. The only time Mark and Allen fought together, or more accurately, in the same space as each other, was in Season 4, but by then they had undergone significant changes in strength and character, making them entirely different from their Season 1 selves.

If this match was Kaneki fighting Season 4 Mark and Allen, I wouldn't mind at all, though the Invincible profiles haven't been updated yet (Given the existence of a big new feat), and they'd one-shot (7-A VS High 6-A).

This match is basically akin to pitting Kaneki against Saiyan Saga Goku and Vegeta. Ignoring the obvious power difference, this match wouldn't work because Saiyan Saga Goku and Vegeta have never fought together; they only fought each other once, and were enemies at the time. Not to mention, Vegeta would rather ditch Goku than team up with him (Like he did on Namek) or try blowing up the planet to kill two birds with one stone (or Galick Gun in this case).

But back to the point. Because of the Versus Thread Rules. This match is invalid because Mark and Allen have simply never fought together in Season 1. You even acknowledged in your revision that they've never fought together in those keys.

 

[AceOfSpaces3709]

It can qualify depending on if they are known for fighting alongside or part of some team or organisation (Avengers, Justice League, etc). Basically something more to it than just fighting together sometimes per this point:

• If two characters are canonically known for fighting alongside one another frequently and supplement each other's skills in combat (i.e. Twinrova, Ice Climbers, and Batman and Robin)

But Deku and All Might do not qualify since they haven't fought together or known for it.

Technically, they fought together once (to my knowledge) against Wolfram in the Two Heroes Movie. A duo of Prime All Might and EOS Deku wouldn't work, as All Might didn't meet Deku until the beginning of the series, when he was past his prime and weakened from the injury All For One gave him. While Weakened All Might and EOS Deku would still work as a duo, Prime All Might and EOS Deku would not, as All Might was not aware of Deku's existence, and the latter was about 4 years old during All Might's glory days

 

[NikHelton]

How many times do I have to keep repeating this? Season 1 Mark and Allen have NEVER fought together; they only fought each other once over a misunderstanding, and that was it. Allen doesn't appear again until the very end of the season's last episode. There, he and Mark just sit on the moon and catch up. According to the Versus Thread Rules, a 2V1 match can not be applied if the two characters in question have never canonically fought together before. In Season 1, the only people Mark has canonically fought alongside with were Titan, Atom Eve, and Omni-Man. Allen doesn't get to fight alongside anyone until Season 3, when he breaks out of the Viltrumite prison with Battle Beast and Omni-Man. The only time Mark and Allen fought together, or more accurately, in the same space as each other, was in Season 4, but by then they had undergone significant changes in strength and character, making them entirely different from their Season 1 selves.

If this match was Kaneki fighting Season 4 Mark and Allen, I wouldn't mind at all, though the Invincible profiles haven't been updated yet (Given the existence of a big new feat), and they'd one-shot (7-A VS High 6-A).

This match is basically akin to pitting Kaneki against Saiyan Saga Goku and Vegeta. Ignoring the obvious power difference, this match wouldn't work because Saiyan Saga Goku and Vegeta have never fought together; they only fought each other once, and were enemies at the time. Not to mention, Vegeta would rather ditch Goku than team up with him (Like he did on Namek) or try blowing up the planet to kill two birds with one stone (or Galick Gun in this case).

But back to the point. Because of the Versus Thread Rules. This match is invalid because Mark and Allen have simply never fought together in Season 1. You even acknowledged in your revision that they've never fought together in those keys.

It doesn't matter that these specific keys didn't intersect. These two characters fought together, and we can freely change their versions.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm going to agree with Ace on this: Keys matter just as much as generalities. Tech Jacket and Allen fight more together than Mark and Allen do.

 

[Reiner04]

@NikHelton and @AceOfSpaces3709 have been going through an edit war over this matchup. Settle it here please (someone tag them)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ken_Kaneki?curid=34335&diff=9517541&oldid=9516435

@Planck69 @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Mr. Bambu

Your opinion here on this Match-Up will be appreciated (Idk if Match-Ups requires more than one staff so just to be safe)

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

echnically, they fought together once (to my knowledge) against Wolfram in the Two Heroes Movie

Fighting once is not enough

Or I could say Asta and Mars can fight together when they teamed up once in the entire series


Or Luffy and Buggy because they worked together in one arc

It need to be consistent, not a single fight in the whole story

These two characters fought together

They fought together in a later arc, you can't use a previous arc and say "well, they are gonna team up"

What the **** are they gonna do then, is 2 characters that have 0 team sinergy, is illogical to use them, or I can say Vegeta and KID GOKU can team up because they did against Goku black clones lol

 

[NikHelton]

Fighting once is not enough

Or I could say Asta and Mars can fight together when they teamed up once in the entire series


Or Luffy and Buggy because they worked together in one arc

It need to be consistent, not a single fight in the whole story

They fought together in a later arc, you can't use a previous arc and say "well, they are gonna team up"

What the **** are they gonna do then, is 2 characters that have 0 team sinergy, is illogical to use them, or I can say Vegeta and KID GOKU can team up because they did against Goku black clones lol

I judge from the fact that KingTempest allowed the use of the duet Final Deku and Prime All Might

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

@Planck69 @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Mr. Bambu

Your opinion here on this Match-Up will be appreciated (Idk if Match-Ups requires more than one staff so just to be safe)

Yeah, I don't think Allen and Mark fight together nearly enough to warrant a 2v1 matchup being listed. It needs to be a proper, established duo. Like I imagine Yuji and Todo would work.

 

[NikHelton]

Yeah, I don't think Allen and Mark fight together nearly enough to warrant a 2v1 matchup being listed. It needs to be a proper, established duo. Like I imagine Yuji and Todo would work.

Okay, as I said, I needed the moderators' opinion. I only made changes to the profiles because I thought this match was fine. In that case, we can delete the match and forget about it.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yeah, I don't think Allen and Mark fight together nearly enough to warrant a 2v1 matchup being listed. It needs to be a proper, established duo. Like I imagine Yuji and Todo would work.

How does that work in case of like All Might and Deku who only fought once together but they’re a Master Student duo with the same powers.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

How does that work in case of like All Might and Deku who only fought once together but they’re a Master Student duo with the same powers.

Well, as Rei said, there is a checklist.

Deku doesn't need All Might to fight at his full potential; he's not useless on his own. They don't really fight with each other frequently, as this is a one-time thing, and teaming up isn't their primary method of combat.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Requesting the Removal of these two matches

8-A Tournament "Resurgence From Failure" Round 1 - Match 3: Sentinel Prime vs Darth Vader

ALTERNATE TITLE: I FIND YOUR LACK OF LEADERSHIP DISTURBING The former leader of Autobots, now being seen as the traitor of said faction he once lead to, murdered by the hand of the greatest Prime Now he find himself being carried to the battlefield of tournament, the playground where everyone...

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This was made years ago, and Now Sentinel is Low 7-B scaling to 1.4 Megatons while Vader scales to 79 Megatons

pretty much making this a stomp

Darth Vader (Star Wars) vs Raiden (Metal Gear Solid)

*Standard battle assumptions *Post Mustafar Vader vs Metal Gear Rising Raiden Darth Vader: 0 () Raiden: 7 (DaReaperMan,XSOULOFCINDERX,Reploidnoridomix,CBslayeR,Random-Helper323,ZoroNotZolo,Kflare63) Inconclusive: 1 (Stillwinston) Vader is 491.07 Tons and Mach 2478.95, Raiden is 156.78 Tons...

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nearly the reason as prev match
Both the keys used are no longer 8-A, not to mention Raiden is currently outdated

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Requesting the removal of this matchup:

Grand Regent vs Dick Master (Invincible vs Hazbin Hotel) [12-16] [ADDED]

SBA, Speed equalized, Adam is Low 5-B. Fight takes place in Hell. Grand Regent: 12 (@Planck69, @azontr, @AthelChan, @Monstermadman, @LegendariumOfLies, @Naito-desu, @Viott, @NotoriouSoda, @Arkenis, @Plants_vs_zombies_fan101, @Ruby_R_Dracula, @XSOULOFCINDERX) FirstMan: 16 (@Phoenks, @ShionAH...

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As the arguments were invalid for Thragg in a lot of times, Adam have an unfair advantage in regeneration that Thragg couldn't overcome, making it a stomp with both sides making terrible arguments

 

[Ebihara]

you mind pointing to what agurments are invalid there was an increable amount of disscusion and alot of votes. need more then you dont think they where solid agurments.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Requesting the removal of this matchup:

Grand Regent vs Dick Master (Invincible vs Hazbin Hotel) [12-16] [ADDED]

SBA, Speed equalized, Adam is Low 5-B. Fight takes place in Hell. Grand Regent: 12 (@Planck69, @azontr, @AthelChan, @Monstermadman, @LegendariumOfLies, @Naito-desu, @Viott, @NotoriouSoda, @Arkenis, @Plants_vs_zombies_fan101, @Ruby_R_Dracula, @XSOULOFCINDERX) FirstMan: 16 (@Phoenks, @ShionAH...

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As the arguments were invalid for Thragg in a lot of times, Adam have an unfair advantage in regeneration that Thragg couldn't overcome, making it a stomp with both sides making terrible arguments

Nah, Thragg could pretty easily shut down Adam’s regen by simply disarming him and then slicing him with his own guitar. Given how much higher Thragg’s LS is, and if he's really as smart as his profile makes him up to be, it shouldn't be too hard for him to connect the dots and realize that the weapon that's been negating his regen would do the same to Adam.

Others also argued Thragg could win by simply outlasting Adam (He does have wayyy better stamina), destroying Hell's atmosphere to make Adam Self-BFR, etc.
It's not like he's hopeless.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Nah, Thragg could pretty easily shut down Adam’s regen by simply disarming him and then slicing him with his own guitar. Given how much higher Thragg’s LS is, and if he's really as smart as his profile makes him up to be, it shouldn't be too hard for him to connect the dots and realize that the weapon that's been negating his regen would do the same to Adam.

Others also argued Thragg could win by simply outlasting Adam (He does have wayyy better stamina), destroying Hell's atmosphere to make Adam Self-BFR, etc.
It's not like he's hopeless.

Okay, but a lot of those "wincons" were shut down and even you were massively against Thragg destroying Hell as a wincon, so why are you acting like it's now? Just to keep this badly made matchup in their profiles? And didn't Shion said that Adam could just resummon his axe again? How's Thragg disarming him a wincon then? Your arguments to make this not a stomp are mediocre, specially when you're contradicting yourself now

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Okay, but a lot of those "wincons" were shut down and even you were massively against Thragg destroying Hell as a wincon, so why are you acting like it's now? Just to keep this badly made matchup in their profiles? And didn't Shion said that Adam could just resummon his axe again? How's Thragg disarming him a wincon then? Your arguments to make this not a stomp are mediocre, specially when you're contradicting yourself now

Adam can desummon his axe if he reacts in time, but Thragg landing a lethal blow with it before Adam can respond (Ain't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed) is also plausible.

Also key word for the destroy Hell stuff is "Others also argued..."
Like I think it's unrealistic/out-of-character but clearly 12 other people didn't agree sooo

 

[DaReaperMan]

For the record: Arguing Thragg would use Adam's axe against him is the multiverse's greatest understatement of that guy's ego. He's not gonna use an inferior races' weapon.

 

[Mythic381]

it shouldn't be too hard for him to connect the dots and realize that the weapon that's been negating his regen would do the same to Adam.

While I'm not so much interested in this fight anyways, Adam has resistance to regeneration negation.