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Versus Thread Removal Requests (New forum)
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Eden_Warlock99
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But not immortality negation! That's why he still died to an Angelic Weapon Ig?
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**** if I know. I'd remove it from profiles but I'm trying to get back into doing Starcraft and having usable tierings and shit once again.
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Why would he use a weapon from an inferior being? This is a stomp pal, stop trying to defend it
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Let's see, inferior in both AP and Durability, only saving grace is skill and LS advantage, opponent have regeneration that would make him next to impossible to defeat, apparently opponent is immune to BFR tactics, and the only way to win is through an immensely out of character strategy that wouldn't work if the opponent just decided to resummon his weapon, how is this not a stomp?
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It's best to remake the thread if you disagree with it. It's best not to argue about who wins a vs thread here.
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Why make a remake when the matchup itself is flawed here?
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So, can the matchup be removed?
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Does bde1 need Incorporeality to back up for spaceless in ontology ?
Even if it has human size, as long as it's space-time independent, that's enough for bde1 or you will need Incorporeal for spaceless proof ? Does independent from spacetime is enough to qualify for bde1 ? Does exist outside spacetime/dimension will make character no longer has the...
Hey antvesta can you answer this for me please. I still dont understand how the ontology of bde1 work and what is the qualify of it.
Oh btw can you ask other staff too ?
Mythic381
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This is a "thread removal request" what you're asking is unrelated to this thread. You can ask Antvasima or any other moderator to answer your question on their message walls.Does bde1 need Incorporeality to back up for spaceless in ontology ?
Even if it has human size, as long as it's space-time independent, that's enough for bde1 or you will need Incorporeal for spaceless proof ? Does independent from spacetime is enough to qualify for bde1 ? Does exist outside spacetime/dimension will make character no longer has the...www.vsbattles.com
Hey antvesta can you answer this for me please. I still dont understand how the ontology of bde1 work and what is the qualify of it.
Oh btw can you ask other staff too ?
ShionAH
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Thragg literally has 10 votes. How can you look at us straight in the eye and say it was a stomp.
And according to the Invincible side, Thragg is “a battle genius”. He would figure out how Angelic Weapons work after noticing he cannot regenerate from them and connect the dots.
And according to the Invincible side, Thragg is “a battle genius”. He would figure out how Angelic Weapons work after noticing he cannot regenerate from them and connect the dots.
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can you help me connect them please. I am new to this forum. Do forum has discord or smth similar to that ?
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Votes that weren't really valid at all, specially when Adam's side was just doing FRA for no reason too, Shion, Thragg would never use a weapon that comes from an inferior being in his mind at all, and you yourself said that Adam could just resummon his Axe at any time
ShionAH
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Thats a huge accusation. What.
How is Adam an inferior being? Viltrumites consider themselves superior because they are stronger and live for way longer, Adam is stronger and lives longer than them. Nor do I think this even makes sense, this is life or death.
Not if he was ripped apart or lost an arm since its gesture based
Mythic381
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Since when has a "FRA train" ever been a problem? I know in general it sounds annoying to deal with one when no one is really arguing with the exception of one person, as it would rather make more sense to wait for the argument to really finish before starting it, but in general it's an acceptable thing to do, whether or not you see it as "for no reason"
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Because to Thragg non-viltrumites are inferior species, Ragnarrs are stronger than him and can rip him apart, he still considers them inferior beings, it doesn't matter Thragg would never go to grab Adam's axe and used it against him
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it was for no reason for both sides
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I have noticed that Frisk vs Subaru is still on their profiles as an inconclusive, when that should have been a Frisk W.
The main reason why is that as generally agreed here and here (the Arceus match was removed only after its 1-C upgrade), Frisk's SI is not an incon machine but instead gives them a W, because of it being counted as a victory for Frisk in-game, and why is that? Because of MERCY causing the opponent to give up the fight, thus is a self-incap instead of a mutual agreement of giving up.
These 2 were agreed as Frisk's W even from multiple staffs participating in the thread, so there's no reason why the Subaru match should stay.
The main reason why is that as generally agreed here and here (the Arceus match was removed only after its 1-C upgrade), Frisk's SI is not an incon machine but instead gives them a W, because of it being counted as a victory for Frisk in-game, and why is that? Because of MERCY causing the opponent to give up the fight, thus is a self-incap instead of a mutual agreement of giving up.
These 2 were agreed as Frisk's W even from multiple staffs participating in the thread, so there's no reason why the Subaru match should stay.
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On a new VS Thread, re-reading the Spamton vs Jevil thread, I have also noticed there are several issues there that I did not realize until re-checking some things from Deltarune (that's my fault for not arguing much there sheesh):
- The main wincon from Jevil was that his Durability Negation can circumvent Spamton's Bluelight Specil, a technique that allows him to massively increase his defense while decreasing his attack, turning the battle in a war of attrition that comes down to stamina. This is what gave to Spamton a W in the previous thread, BUT the dura neg of Jevil is fraudulent, as it only reduces the HPs of 30%, but if the average remaining HPs is too low it does nothing. Basically the wincon for supposedly circumventing the durability negation increase is on an attack that does not kill by its own. Otherwise, Bluelight Specil allows Spamton NEO to straight up eat the attacks of a Kris that grew stronger compared to when they fought Jevil, he'd have no issue with stalling Jevil's attacks while self-healing.
- Spamton NEO should be much superior to his base self who is implied to have survived a fight with Jevil according to the latter's AP description, AND has a much better mobility compared to also the Fun Gang who defeated Jevil considering that he can fly with wires unlike them. So there's no reason why he shouldn't just be able to still react properly to these attacks, as bosses do attempt to dodge attacks in-universe unlike in the gameplay.
Bobsican
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Atreus Vs Riku
Part of the argument relied on Atreus having the stat advantage, which is no longer the case, I'd also think that the thread neglects Riku's skill as to compensate the stamina advantage Atreus may have
Part of the argument relied on Atreus having the stat advantage, which is no longer the case, I'd also think that the thread neglects Riku's skill as to compensate the stamina advantage Atreus may have
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I would like to try removing this match up for the following;
Ayanokouji got a speed upgrade (From 72 m/s to 84,4 m/s) and he is on top of that at the very minimum 3 blitzes above that value
Edit: And some upscaling in abilities like supernatural willpower and fear inducement (technically)
Ayanokouji got a speed upgrade (From 72 m/s to 84,4 m/s) and he is on top of that at the very minimum 3 blitzes above that value
Edit: And some upscaling in abilities like supernatural willpower and fear inducement (technically)
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The core of the match doesn't change though. Also where is the 3x blitz value minium calc coming from? The person in the thread also said Kiyo had 91.4 which is higher than 84.
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It kinda does since speed is unequal
Nanase is 84,4 m/s
Housen is faster, Ichika while on a state where she shouldn't be able to walk and on the verge of losing consciousness is comparable to Housen (A healthy ichika blitzes her weakened self and one shots)
Takuya casually blitzes a high alert Ichika who is scared of him
Koji due to doing the beta curriculum scales leagues above Takuya (for reference lvl 5-6 is the limit of human development, Takuya did the lvl 4 with later generations getting obliterated in lvl 5-6, the beta curriculum is far above lvl 10
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Blind Ichika in one eye, break one hand, and give her bruises and i still don't believe Housen is beating her. Analytical prediction, superior martial arts, adaption we saw in the volleyball game
Though I got a bit side tracked.
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Btw the 91,4 m/s is attack speed not travel speed which was also one of the arguments made for Yu (just saw this part)
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Housen is a #bum who got jumped by Ryuen.
But back on topic is it not still debatable whether Yu wins. A match up is only removed if it is guaranteed a character cannot win anymore like insane stat change or new ability that one shots. Don't the new changes just serve for a rematch?
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Idk, i just thought about removing the match instead of going for a rematch
Technically Koji will be getting speed upgrades if things go right making the match invalid but i thought the current speed buff Koji got is enough to remove the match at least
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Asking to close this match;
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Clearly a spite match, and if it isn't, it's a stomp
Saitama vs Light Yagami
This time, the matchup will be of a different kind. Light Yagami has already written Saitama’s name, and only 40 seconds remain until he dies. The win condition is as follows: if Saitama manages to survive death, he wins; if he cannot, he loses. Light Yagami has already written his name before...
Clearly a spite match, and if it isn't, it's a stomp
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Requesting these matches to be removed;
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Reasoning;
Speed was unequal in these matches, the COTE characters are now blitzes above their opponents
Rematch: The Perfect Human vs The Greatest Boxer (10-16-0) *GRACE*
Ayanokouji Kiyotaka vs Yu Rules: Starting Distance: 15 meters Location: UFC Ring No prep time. No prior knowledge. ANHS Ayanokouji, no equipment. Start of series Yu, no equipment. Both are in character but willing to kill. Ayanokouji stats: Ap: At least 29.4 Kilojoules Dura: At least 49.3...
Smart Ass VS Serial Killer
Manabu vs Dexter (Season 8) Rules: Speed is unequalised. Starting Distance: 10 meters Location: Supermarket No prep time or prior knowledge Dexter only has a knife on him Manabu's AP: 4,6 KJ Dexter's AP: 31.6 KJ Manabu's advantages: More Skilled More analytical Better senses Higher LS...
Cannibal VS Student
Manabu vs Hannibal (TV Series) Rules: Speed is unequalised. Starting Distance: 10 meters Location: Restaurant No prep time or prior knowledge Hannibal has his Small Axe Manabu's AP: 4,6 KJ Hannibal's AP: 9,92 KJ Manabu's advantages: More Skilled Higher LS Higher travel and combat speed...
Student VS Book Store Clerk
Ryuen Kakeru vs Joe Goldberg Rules: Speed is unequalized. Starting Distance: 10 meters Location: Library No prior knowledge Ryuen has 24 hours of Prep time Joe has his guns Ryuen's AP: Upscales 4 KJ Joe's AP: 985 J Ryuen's advantages: Higher AP & Dura Higher LS Higher Stamina Preparation...
Reasoning;
Speed was unequal in these matches, the COTE characters are now blitzes above their opponents
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Also these ones, speed was unequal;
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Nobara Kugisaki vs Nanase Tsubasa [0-8-0]
Nobara is her Kyoto Goodwill Event Arc key SBA Nobara Kugisaki AP: At least 3.204kJ, higher with Hairpin Speed: 16.667 m/s with 120.05 m/s attack speed LS: Unknown Nanase Tsubasa AP: 4kJ, 4.6kJ in Boku mode Speed: 42.2 m/s, 84.4 m/s in Boku mode, higher reaction speed LS: 120kg Nanase has...
The Perfect Human plays Hide-and Seek with a Serial Killer (8-0-0) *Grace*
Kiyotaka Ayanokouji vs Yuuichi Katagiri Rules: Speed is not equalized aside from Ayanokouji. Ayanokouji's travel speed has been equalized to Shiho Sawaragi (The fastest member of Team Yuuichi). The characters are playing the Friendship Hide-And-Seek game from Tomodachi Game. Team...
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I would like to remove this match as well;
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Reasoning;
The match not only was under the assumption it was post Lind L Taylor which heavily influenced the match when in actuality was Pre Lind L Taylor which gave a huge advantave to Ayanokouji (as in, people just kept using Light's feats in later arcs and when he is more experienced and aware that he is being investigated to argue for him, which was wrong since this pre Taylor incident)
And also because the OP gave Ayanokouji something he does not have in canon (interpol connection)
Ayanokoji Kiyotaka vs Light Yagami
Ayanokoji vs Light Takes place in the Death Note world. Ayanokoji takes the position of L with the mission to catch Kira and is equipped with all the resources L was equipped with. Will Ayanokoji be able to catch Kira or would Light remain hidden? Ayanokoji's win condition: Proving that...
Reasoning;
The match not only was under the assumption it was post Lind L Taylor which heavily influenced the match when in actuality was Pre Lind L Taylor which gave a huge advantave to Ayanokouji (as in, people just kept using Light's feats in later arcs and when he is more experienced and aware that he is being investigated to argue for him, which was wrong since this pre Taylor incident)
And also because the OP gave Ayanokouji something he does not have in canon (interpol connection)
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You can remove it. There are many reasons for it being a stomp. Including Ayano doesn't having any feat of dealing with supernatural stuff.I would like to remove this match as well;
Ayanokoji Kiyotaka vs Light Yagami
Ayanokoji vs Light Takes place in the Death Note world. Ayanokoji takes the position of L with the mission to catch Kira and is equipped with all the resources L was equipped with. Will Ayanokoji be able to catch Kira or would Light remain hidden? Ayanokoji's win condition: Proving that...
Reasoning;
The match not only was under the assumption it was post Lind L Taylor which heavily influenced the match when in actuality was Pre Lind L Taylor which gave a huge advantave to Ayanokouji (as in, people just kept using Light's feats in later arcs and when he is more experienced and aware that he is being investigated to argue for him, which was wrong since this pre Taylor incident)
And also because the OP gave Ayanokouji something he does not have in canon (interpol connection)
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While i am at it, can i remove the others above?
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Was speed the main factor for match?
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Yu vs Koji had some minor arguments for speed but ultimately was because of Yu cutting Koji (due to Yu speed being higher than Koji), Koji is now several blitzes above transonic while yu is 109 m/s
Manabu matches + Ryuen, yes
Nanase vs Nobara yes
Yuuichi vs Koji also yes
Manabu matches + Ryuen, yes
Nanase vs Nobara yes
Yuuichi vs Koji also yes
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