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I'm indifferent for it but if you guys think it should be deleted go for it.WeeklyBattles said:
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Verses with high sexual content (STAFF ONLY)
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I am giving the creator of that profile a chance to make a case
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I'm given permission to comment real quick on my case for Huniepop.
I'm not gonna add every character from the game, obviously. I'm saying that right off the bat because I don't want to give the impression I'm just doing it for the memes or to fill the wiki with stupid 10-Bs. I'm only doing the most notable characters. There are some characters here who have some very interesting abilities, such as Kyu having invisibility and flight as well as actual magic.
Venus, the goddess of love, likely has similar abilities and should likely have some empathic manipulation. Either way she also has immortality, and should be comparable to Kyu.
Celeste, the profile linked, is stated in universe to be a bounty hunter and fights other dangerous and athletic criminals. If anything she's the most combat able person in the whole verse.
I don't see why there being no combat feats should be an issue personally. There's a lot of verses with hardly any combat feats. This would be a verse that more focuses on powers and abilities either way. You can even choose to censor the game anyways if you don't wanna see all the nasty bits. It's very lax with its 18+ rating and I mean I don't see a problem with it personally. I find it to be rather harmless.
I'm not gonna add every character from the game, obviously. I'm saying that right off the bat because I don't want to give the impression I'm just doing it for the memes or to fill the wiki with stupid 10-Bs. I'm only doing the most notable characters. There are some characters here who have some very interesting abilities, such as Kyu having invisibility and flight as well as actual magic.
Venus, the goddess of love, likely has similar abilities and should likely have some empathic manipulation. Either way she also has immortality, and should be comparable to Kyu.
Celeste, the profile linked, is stated in universe to be a bounty hunter and fights other dangerous and athletic criminals. If anything she's the most combat able person in the whole verse.
I don't see why there being no combat feats should be an issue personally. There's a lot of verses with hardly any combat feats. This would be a verse that more focuses on powers and abilities either way. You can even choose to censor the game anyways if you don't wanna see all the nasty bits. It's very lax with its 18+ rating and I mean I don't see a problem with it personally. I find it to be rather harmless.
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@Jacky The problem would be that the feats in the game are nonexistent and the game as a whole is made of two things: Playing candy crush to seduce girls and having sex with those girls.
That and there is virtually no actual story
That and there is virtually no actual story
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Feats in game are mentioned, though. Celeste does mention that she's a bounty hunter and she does mention that she's been on missions. Some of the pictures are based around those missions, after all.
All of Kyu's abilities are based off what she does in game and it makes her a very interesting 10-B character in most regards. She does state things such as her being invisible to anyone she wants and to being able to change her hair color or fly.
Besides Huniepop 2 seems like...it's gonna have a weirdo bizarre story if the trailer is anything to go by? I'm not sure if that counts for much but it's something to consider.
All of Kyu's abilities are based off what she does in game and it makes her a very interesting 10-B character in most regards. She does state things such as her being invisible to anyone she wants and to being able to change her hair color or fly.
Besides Huniepop 2 seems like...it's gonna have a weirdo bizarre story if the trailer is anything to go by? I'm not sure if that counts for much but it's something to consider.
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Yes but those feats in and of themselves are extremely vague and hold no bearing to the actual story
Plus there's the fact that the canon extension of the game is just a city sim about making all of the girls in the verse do camshows
Plus there's the fact that the canon extension of the game is just a city sim about making all of the girls in the verse do camshows
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I...don't think having feats or not should matter when it comes to allowing profiles.
I mean yeah it's boring, but still.
I mean yeah it's boring, but still.
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I agree with Saikou
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So hold up yall are fine with a game that is nothing but a featless dating and sex sim? With a sequel that is quite literally just making girls do camshows and nothing else?
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So what if they hold no bearing to the story? It still happens. Just because it doesn't have much bearing doesn't mean they aren't reliable or true.
Also technically that's not canon but you know, I sort of get where you're coming from.
Overall I just agree with Saikou and Matt. Just because it doesn't have feats doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed (and even then it does, whether they're story relevant or not), and it's in general a harmless game that can even be censored if one wants. It's hardly the worst thing that could be let in, that's for sure.
Also technically that's not canon but you know, I sort of get where you're coming from.
Overall I just agree with Saikou and Matt. Just because it doesn't have feats doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed (and even then it does, whether they're story relevant or not), and it's in general a harmless game that can even be censored if one wants. It's hardly the worst thing that could be let in, that's for sure.
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It's not a sex sim. There's no actual sex scenes. It's just Match 3 gameplay and static picture. Also the game has a censored mode for Streamers that covers nudity.
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Uh no, he simply said we should not just disallow a verse/profile just for lack of feats.
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I mean, I'm not pulling feats from that sequel. It's essentially featless. And it does have feats of powers and abilities. They just apparently don't count because they aren't relevant to the story.WeeklyBattles said:
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Let's not derail the thread too much, alright?
I'm good with making a category and template to mark 18+ pages, regardless of which ones stick around.
As I said in the original thread, I have my concerns, and I think that there's not a huge difference between CoC and MGQ. At some point, it's just semantics, and people were saying that CoC 2 is less sexual and more story-driven. If one can't get through I don't think either should, as having MGQ has already lead to people trying to push it.
Though I think it won't get quite as bad as Monarch suggests, it's something to consider. Personally, I think we should wait on passing judgment on either of them, to see how people handle them and other pages - we shouldn't make CoC pages yet, and we should wait to do anything about the MGQ pages.
I'm good with making a category and template to mark 18+ pages, regardless of which ones stick around.
As I said in the original thread, I have my concerns, and I think that there's not a huge difference between CoC and MGQ. At some point, it's just semantics, and people were saying that CoC 2 is less sexual and more story-driven. If one can't get through I don't think either should, as having MGQ has already lead to people trying to push it.
Though I think it won't get quite as bad as Monarch suggests, it's something to consider. Personally, I think we should wait on passing judgment on either of them, to see how people handle them and other pages - we shouldn't make CoC pages yet, and we should wait to do anything about the MGQ pages.
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At the very least, the lack of feat should be considered a disinct problem from the "it's lewd" part and thus isn't exactly relevent here, boys.
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Anyway, I agree with the staff members who want us to uphold our current rules regarding the subject, i.e. not allow "**** with a plot" content.
I also think that Kepekley23's and Promestein's suggestion to create a "Verses with sexual content" category might be useful, in case we need to quickly find and get rid of such pages in the future.
Also, I removed the image links that Kepekley inserted, in order to not provoke the Fandom staff.
I also think that Kepekley23's and Promestein's suggestion to create a "Verses with sexual content" category might be useful, in case we need to quickly find and get rid of such pages in the future.
Also, I removed the image links that Kepekley inserted, in order to not provoke the Fandom staff.
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The Fandom staff has already established they don't mind linking to images hosted off-site.
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'Kay.
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My opinion from the last thread:
If illicit content needs to be looked at to properly gauge feats or discuss VS Debates, no.
If the illicit content can (generally) be seperated from VS Debating and feats, yes.
If illicit content needs to be looked at to properly gauge feats or discuss VS Debates, no.
If the illicit content can (generally) be seperated from VS Debating and feats, yes.
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This is my viewpoint as well. If a story, such as Berserk, contains sex because it is necessary for the narrative, that is very different from if it is almost strictly pornography with minor elements of plot thrown in. The former is fine, whereas the latter is not.
Berserk is completely incomparable to either of those, and cases can be made that MGQ is mostly an excuse for **** and that CoC has enough plot.
Berserk is completely incomparable to either of those, and cases can be made that MGQ is mostly an excuse for **** and that CoC has enough plot.
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Demonbane is a more apt comparison. As well as several Ecchi Series. There's also a lot of Obscure VNs with High Sexual Content that already have many profiles here but they never raised any issue.
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Plot with ****: I'am Okay i guess
**** with Plot: I have to disagree
**** with Plot: I have to disagree
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Even well known verses such as God of War has sexual content; and Berserk only has very few sex scenes, it's mostly just blood and gore is what "Mature content" in those verses come to mind. I agree with Matt's point about the various visual novels and the same thing can be said about a lot of Ancient Mythology verses.
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The reason people bring Berserk up is because the few sex it has tends to be... Well, for lack of a better word, extremely *f*cked up. Like, Explicit Demon Horse Rape f*cked up.
It's obviously not ****, but I have seen some people wonder if it is okay in the past.
A verse like Bastard! is similarly sexual but more for the purpose of titillation than shock value. There's also stuff like Ane Naru Mono which was a Hentai Doujin series until the author was actually approached to make a legitimate, clean serialized version of the story. But even so, she never stopped writing, drawing and self-publishing the **** version as well. It just so happened that now there was an actual story behind it.
It's obviously not ****, but I have seen some people wonder if it is okay in the past.
A verse like Bastard! is similarly sexual but more for the purpose of titillation than shock value. There's also stuff like Ane Naru Mono which was a Hentai Doujin series until the author was actually approached to make a legitimate, clean serialized version of the story. But even so, she never stopped writing, drawing and self-publishing the **** version as well. It just so happened that now there was an actual story behind it.
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I think that our current Editing Rules spell it out pretty nicely, though I'm not sure if a little bit of tweaking to the explanation needs to be done.
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I personally believe that being able able to seperate the NSFW from the work/character really is standard that every character needs to comply with. The 18+ category idea also is a great solution for this problem.
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I'm fine with keeping the MGQ pages around on a trial basis and adjusting the specific wording for the rule, so that it's less open to interpretation.
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Not exactly familiar with MGQ. How bad does it get?
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Aren't there many characters from hentai series and **** games with several abilities like time stop and whatnot? If CoC is allowed, people will start making profiles for every gaddamn character like that.
Yeah this is a wiki where 13 year old minors come to debate about their favorite superhero Superman because he embodies everything that's good in the world and he can't lose because justice always prevails. I don't want kids to stumble upon a page, get curious and play the game only to regret their decisions later.
I am opposed to having anything with a "****" tag in the wiki, it doesn't matter if the page is SFW. Ecchi should be the limit, anything beyond ecchi is where I'd draw the line. (And a legitimate story-driven series with sex scenes in it and anything tagged "****" are two completely different things, I don't know why people were comparing them.)
Yeah this is a wiki where 13 year old minors come to debate about their favorite superhero Superman because he embodies everything that's good in the world and he can't lose because justice always prevails. I don't want kids to stumble upon a page, get curious and play the game only to regret their decisions later.
I am opposed to having anything with a "****" tag in the wiki, it doesn't matter if the page is SFW. Ecchi should be the limit, anything beyond ecchi is where I'd draw the line. (And a legitimate story-driven series with sex scenes in it and anything tagged "****" are two completely different things, I don't know why people were comparing them.)
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And them stumbling across something really gory like DOOM, Friday The 13th or Berserk is fine? Plus adding a tag like that would hopefully deter kids from investigating further. If not we can't really be responsible for that.
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So wait it's fine if kids stumble across MGQ and decide to investigate further?
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I think this point is issue. Of course, we have minor present here but there are lot of verses with mature and gory contents present here which is a key reason why we have the disclaimer that mature content exists from a past discussion.GojiBoyForever said:
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>Gore
>****
Boi did you just compare these two? What's with the false analogy in this thread.
@Weekly I already said I'm against anything tagged as "****" and that includes MGQ. Anyway, that's all I'll say on the matter. That's just my opinion, I leave the decision to everyone else.
>****
Boi did you just compare these two? What's with the false analogy in this thread.
@Weekly I already said I'm against anything tagged as "****" and that includes MGQ. Anyway, that's all I'll say on the matter. That's just my opinion, I leave the decision to everyone else.
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