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Its cool. Since I collected the scans already, I'll still link themIMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
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Verse Equalization
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What about powers that don't apply to a whole verse, but only specific power systems within the verse?Matthew Schroeder said:
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Except Bleach characters being unseeable to non-spiritually talented beings is not a specific ability for them at all, its a completely generic concept to everyone in the Bleach universe.
Honestly to me its not even a feat for them, its just a lack of a feat for fodders but thats a different topic.
Honestly to me its not even a feat for them, its just a lack of a feat for fodders but thats a different topic.
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Your argument is legit the verse mechanic itself,it's not that wild of a concept someone would need spiritual awareness to see spirits.
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The problem with that though is the method on how people in Bleach see spirits would be included in Verse Equalization to other verses, which Woki disagreed with me on and was why he made this thread to begin with.
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@Sigurd If i am understanding correctly your argument is that we cannot give character X the ability that character Y needs to affect others in their own verse but we can allow character x's ow abilities to function on concepts that exist in Y's verse but not his own if necessary...did i get it right?
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If i am understanding correctly your argument is that we cannot give character X the ability that character Y needs to affect others in their own verse.
Yes if they've never displayed the ability to see ghost or other ethernal entities,your essentially giving them powers they don't have.
but we can allow character x's ow abilities to function on concepts that exist in Y's verse but not his own if necessary.
Yes,if im understanding this part correctly,interaction and use of abilities is fine for equaliztion to prevent NLF's like the stand example used above,but we shouldn't give people abilities they don't have simply cause of equalization.
If i am understanding correctly your argument is that we cannot give character X the ability that character Y needs to affect others in their own verse.
Yes if they've never displayed the ability to see ghost or other ethernal entities,your essentially giving them powers they don't have.
but we can allow character x's ow abilities to function on concepts that exist in Y's verse but not his own if necessary.
Yes,if im understanding this part correctly,interaction and use of abilities is fine for equaliztion to prevent NLF's like the stand example used above,but we shouldn't give people abilities they don't have simply cause of equalization.
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As long as its an ability that can be granted from another verse through verse equalization, as in its not something specific that would require knowledge and training, it should be granted.
It just needs to be on a case by case basis ofc.
It just needs to be on a case by case basis ofc.
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@Sigurd if that is indeed your argument then I agree with you.
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Sigurd makes sense
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Invisibility is totally an ability, irregardless if it's active or passive. As long as the source power/energy is based on the same concept VE wouldn't even be necessary imo. Except one thing though is that chakra in nardo-verse is non-static unlike Ki, Power Cosmic (could be wrong here), Cosmo, etc. so there is a bit of a limitation there and would need of an assistance from VE.
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It being passive or active doesnt matter. Bleach's invisibility is completely centered around their energy source as ive explained over 5 times now.
We make the energy source equal to other verses, Verse Equalization allows those every other verse to see Bleach characters, regardless of it being an ability or not.
We make the energy source equal to other verses, Verse Equalization allows those every other verse to see Bleach characters, regardless of it being an ability or not.
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Your essentialy arguing everyone that is put against Bleach has this ability Enhanced Senses, Soul Vision Ability to see souls, spirits, and ghosts.That is not okay if the person doesn't have Enhanced senses capable of seeing spirits,because then your giving them an ability they don't possess.
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Just like Naruto characters don't have the ability to Genjutsu people outside of their universe and we allow that because of Verse Equalization. This is no different.
In fact, Bleach's case is much more direct/straightfoward because of the fact that each verse would have Reiryoku via having their energies equal to Bleach's Reiatsu. Having Reiryoku means you can see spirits in bleach and it's directly tied together with Reiatsu.
In fact, Bleach's case is much more direct/straightfoward because of the fact that each verse would have Reiryoku via having their energies equal to Bleach's Reiatsu. Having Reiryoku means you can see spirits in bleach and it's directly tied together with Reiatsu.
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False Equivalancy.
First off, an energy source can't acomplish that and it doesn't so using a theortical question to counter my argument won't hold much.
Second, I can just as easily argue all of those abilities to be ones granted only through training and knowledge, which are specific abilities. Those wouldn't be granted in Verse Equalization.
Like how we dont' give everyone flight because their energies = KI. Or walking on water/trees when equaling them to chakra. They're specific abilities. Reiryoku is not.
First off, an energy source can't acomplish that and it doesn't so using a theortical question to counter my argument won't hold much.
Second, I can just as easily argue all of those abilities to be ones granted only through training and knowledge, which are specific abilities. Those wouldn't be granted in Verse Equalization.
Like how we dont' give everyone flight because their energies = KI. Or walking on water/trees when equaling them to chakra. They're specific abilities. Reiryoku is not.
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>Normal energy source cannot allow you to have Enhanced Senses Soul Vision Ability to see Spirits
Except, it can. Reiryoku is needed for characters in Bleach to see and sense souls. Reiryoku directly = Reiatsu as whenever Reiatsu is unleashed, Reiryoku is as well. So if KI or Chakra become Reiatsu's energy equivalant, Reiryoku becomes their energy equivalant too. Its cherry picking to only pick one.
>And how about if those ability is passive?
Very unlikely considering literally every single person and their mother in Bleach have Reiryoku. Even everyday humans. It's a generic concept in energy in the Bleach Universe.
Except, it can. Reiryoku is needed for characters in Bleach to see and sense souls. Reiryoku directly = Reiatsu as whenever Reiatsu is unleashed, Reiryoku is as well. So if KI or Chakra become Reiatsu's energy equivalant, Reiryoku becomes their energy equivalant too. Its cherry picking to only pick one.
>And how about if those ability is passive?
Very unlikely considering literally every single person and their mother in Bleach have Reiryoku. Even everyday humans. It's a generic concept in energy in the Bleach Universe.
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Except it can't, not all energy source have the same advantage as Reiryoku, by that logic if Reiryoku passively gave you low godly regen, type 5 immortal, Acausality, name every OP ability then everyone will become much more broken just by fighting against bleach chars.
In my opinion verse equalize should only allow 2 diff energy source to interact with each other(Ability that will only work on let's say magic will now works on chakra, Reiryoku, etc), but not nesesary gave them new hax and ability that was granted by diff energy source, because at that point you essentially using fanfiction version of those chars.
In my opinion verse equalize should only allow 2 diff energy source to interact with each other(Ability that will only work on let's say magic will now works on chakra, Reiryoku, etc), but not nesesary gave them new hax and ability that was granted by diff energy source, because at that point you essentially using fanfiction version of those chars.
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Again, false equivalancy and theortical excuses. There's no way around it as Reiryoku isn't a specific ability one trains or even needs to know how to get. If everyday people have it, and its released whenever Reiatsu is, then thats enough to say whatever gets equaled with Reiatsu is gettign Reiryoku as well.
Except Reiryoku isnt an entirely different ability gained by different energy. It's literally apart of Reiatsu, which everyone in Bleach has. There's no reason why this wouldnt carry over to others in Verse Equalization.
Except Reiryoku isnt an entirely different ability gained by different energy. It's literally apart of Reiatsu, which everyone in Bleach has. There's no reason why this wouldnt carry over to others in Verse Equalization.
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Why it's false equivalence and theoretical excuses when Reiryoku gave you new ability that was not granted but most form of energy in fiction? Everyone in bleach have Reiryoku but only those with high level Reiryoku can have those ability above, Normal ppl cant see ghost and other thing.
You still gave them fanfiction ability for other verses who fought against bleach.
You still gave them fanfiction ability for other verses who fought against bleach.
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Thats not giving them a new ability really though, thats only because of the difference in level between bleach's Reiryoku levels. Exactly why normal humans cant see them because they have crap levels of Reiryoku. Any other verse that manipulates their energy sources, when equaled with Reiatsu, shouldnt be in the same boat as clearly they're not ordinary people.
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Thats still gave then new ability since normal humans cant see ghost and stuff, Ichigo cannot see ginjo when he is blind up till he gained his power back because only those with decent Reiryoku can see ghost, all ppl have Reiryoku but only those who train till they have decent Reiryoku or awaked their hidden power can have Enhanced Senses Soul Vision Ability to see souls.
If verse equalized take effect by default other verse fighter will have Reiryoku equalized to normal ppl, or else you will gave them fanfiction ability..For example, bleach ppl will have no problem if you blind their eyes because they can relied on their reiatsu sensing to see and sense their enemy, not all verse have this ability but don't worry because any other verses will have this advantage just by fighting against bleach char.
If verse equalized take effect by default other verse fighter will have Reiryoku equalized to normal ppl, or else you will gave them fanfiction ability..For example, bleach ppl will have no problem if you blind their eyes because they can relied on their reiatsu sensing to see and sense their enemy, not all verse have this ability but don't worry because any other verses will have this advantage just by fighting against bleach char.
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@Yung....no one is arguing against verse equalization here. Only how it is used.
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Actually it'd be Genjutsu would just be useless since no one outside of Naruto has Chakra, verse equalization allows Naruto characters to use Genjutsu in the first place since Genjutsu requires the target to have Chakra.Matthew Schroeder said:
The argument isn't you need Reiatsu/Reiryoku to hit Bleach characters as well, the argument is they are invisible to those without extrasensory perception like the ability to see souls.
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So then I refer back to my last reply.
No, other verses reiryoku wouldn't be on the level of a humans it would be tied together to the level of their own energy which is equaling Reiatsu. That's like saying equaling energies will make as weak as the other verses fodder. A KI or chakra user will be far more spiritually adept than a regular everyday person.
No, other verses reiryoku wouldn't be on the level of a humans it would be tied together to the level of their own energy which is equaling Reiatsu. That's like saying equaling energies will make as weak as the other verses fodder. A KI or chakra user will be far more spiritually adept than a regular everyday person.
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This is silly,this is akin to equalizing cosmos and allowing other people to use 7th sense and above. Or even people with the status of "God" granting them Big Will.
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@IMade
Actually it'd be both. Sharingan genjutsu users place their own chakra inside the target (Most of the characters who use genjutsu). So if an opponent can't manipulate the chakra inside of them, they can't break out of the genjutsu. Of course, that's how it'd be without verse equalization.
Actually it'd be both. Sharingan genjutsu users place their own chakra inside the target (Most of the characters who use genjutsu). So if an opponent can't manipulate the chakra inside of them, they can't break out of the genjutsu. Of course, that's how it'd be without verse equalization.
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Again, any technique that needs specific knowledge and training go obtain isn't getting effected by Verse Equalization as its not that standard.
Anything that is should be given to other verses.
Anything that is should be given to other verses.
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Not everyone has the 7th sense in Saint Seiya
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Not everyone can see souls in Bleach too.AstralKing7 said:
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Is it a specific ability? Tied with whatever Energy source RWBY uses?Dat Dot said:
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Not everyone can see souls in Bleach too.
Because of their crap level Reiryoku. Doesnt mean they dont have it.
Because of their crap level Reiryoku. Doesnt mean they dont have it.
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